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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2007How has staying overnight at Walmart or Flying J. worked out for you?
I recently bought a nearly new 25' class c. RV and have stayed at a Campground or two. I was contemplating doing a dry-run by staying at a local Super Walmart or Flying J. just for the experience ... before i go away for the winter down south and possibly make a routine of staying overnight at such places. How has staying overnight at walmart and/or flying j. been for you ? Was it quiet enough ? Did others respect your presence in the Parking Lot ? Any bad experiences ? Tips and suggestions ?? Thanks alot. , Dave. >I recently bought a nearly new 25' class c. RV and have stayed at a > Campground or two. I was contemplating doing a dry-run by staying at [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks alot. , Dave. RVers claim to be such nice friendly people but I've not found that to be the case. In my opinion and in my experience they'd as soon as run over you as look at you if you're riding a bike. But, that being said, I have to wonder why RVers haven't got together and put up a website where RVers who own a place in the country or even in the city where it's legal to park RVs could open their hearts and parking spots to other traveling RVers. Seems to me they could share their land with other RVers who just wanted to stay overnight for a day. But, I guess since nothing like this exists it pretty well proves what I've discovered that RVers are mostly selfish bullies who don't give a hoot about anybody else. Think about the lack of fellowship that drives RVers to park in Wal-Marts and other mall parking lots often to be harassed by local police. What's wrong with you people. I guarantee I could show up at any cyclists house unannounced and ask if I could stay for the night in my RV and they would be happy to accommodate me. But, maybe my fame helps with this. Shad O'Shay 'I have to wonder why RVers haven't got together and put up a website where RVers who own a place in the country or even in the city where it's legal to park RVs could open their hearts and parking spots to other traveling RVers. Seems to me they could share their land with other RVers who just wanted to stay overnight for a day. But, I guess since nothing like this exists it pretty well proves what I've discovered that RVers are mostly selfish bullies who don't give a hoot about anybody else. ' REPLY: Actually Shad, there are tons of free places for RVers to stay not only for a night, but, for the entire season !. The books : Free Campgrounds (west and east) list countless numbers of them that are free or under $12 per night. The attraction behind staying in any given walmart parking lot for the night , is when youre very tired driving and wish to have the convenience of shops and restaurants nearby . Not ALL RVers are 'selfish bullies' Shad , and in fact, there is a huge christian population in the RV hobby which makes RVing truly enjoyable . Do you think Walmart would allow you to stay overnight in their parking lot with your bike and tent ? No. Youd have to be an RVer for that priveldge. You need to stop saying RVers are this and that Shad ; if you fell off your bike and hurt yourself on the side of the road....its far more likely an RVer would stop to help you than any other motorist. > 'I have to wonder why RVers haven't got together and put up a website > where RVers who own a place in the country or even in the city where [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > you fell off your bike and hurt yourself on the side of the road....its > far more likely an RVer would stop to help you than any other motorist. Since I have Shad filtered I didn't see his post. The best place to find other RVers who will offer you a place to park on their property is by joining The Escapees RV Club, Inc. Their Days End section lists states, cities and people who will extend this invitation to fellow members. There is a fellow who keeps track of these and other free or very inexpensive places to overnight and sells a CD with updated information. His price just covers the cost of the CD and mailing. You can get information about how to order one from the Escapees RV Club Magazine. We offer our pad with full hookups to friends and friends of friends, but as we live in a winter RVer area, we don't list in the magazine or we'd be inundated with requests. We do have friends in the area that list their place in the Days End and learned from them why not to <g> Dave, if you are really serious about this traveling you want to do, don't be such a cheapskate. Join Escapees. They have their own deeply discounted RV parks, discounts at many commercial RV parks of up to 50% of rack rates and many more services for the "Serious RVer" including the best mail forwarding in the country, the *only* mailing address for full timers that has been adjudicated by two state courts as legal for voting and a super support network. There are also discounts on insurance and financial services that should make a penny-pincher like you happy to pay the dues for the return benefits.  SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life 'Dave, if you are really serious about this traveling you want to do, don't be such a cheapskate. Join Escapees.' REPLY: A few weeks back, i bought a nearly new 2008 Freedom Express Class C. 25' for $45,000 and am leaving for the southern Texas areas of Galveston and Corpus Christi on Nov. 1st...so...id say that im serious about extended RVing each winter from Nov thru Feb. Im not 'a cheapskate' and i think you were presumptuous in stating that Janet ; I simply want to help offset the current high cost of gasoline on a 5,000 mile trip by mostly staying overnight free while enroute to southern Texas , then southern N.M, then southern Arizona till i nestle in around the Lake Havasu area on a BLM site. Ill look more seriously into Escapees however as it appears theres some distinct benefits. Since i now own the 'Free Campgrounds' books / east and west... it is comforting to know i can easily find a place for $12 per night or less. I would like to give the Flying J/Walmart/Cracker Barrel/Casinos a try , while enroute to my destinations since they are free...and...just for the new experience of Blacktop Boondocking. > 'Dave, if you are really serious about this traveling you want to do, > don't be such a cheapskate. Join Escapees.' > > REPLY: A few weeks back, i bought a nearly new 2008 Freedom Express > Class C. 25' for $45,000 and am leaving for the southern Texas areas > of Galveston and Corpus Christi on Nov. 1st Sorry to have struck such a nerve. You are lucky to have people here doing all of your research for you, you know. You've had dozens of questions over the past few months and everyone has given you the courtesy of helpful answers. You have not been as nice to posters as they have been to you. Go back and check your own posts. Galveston and Corpus Christi aren't really "southern Texas" The Lower Rio Grande Valley is Southern Texas. You will be at closest 250 miles away. Galveston is a suburb of Houston with a beach and some expensive restaurants. Corpus is another metro-city with a beach though much smaller than Houston. The weather there can get quite chilly from December through February - not continually, but for days at a time. Not my idea of a place to winter, but some people, like those from Minnesota, find it warm enough. I don't care for ice. IMHO Black top camping is fine for spending the night while you are traveling from one place to another. Come in late, ask permission and leave early. It's a courtesy that merchants extend for tired motorists (including over-the-road professional drivers) Most people who do blacktopping are doing it to save time and not have to leave their route in search of a campground when all they need is a place to rest for the night. People who take advantage of these courtesies and "camp" in parking lots for more than a single night are the ones that are in many ways responsible for local ordinances being passed that ban such parking. No one wants an impromptu "trailer park" in their neighborhood. I've been RVing for several decades and I don't like seeing the same RVs in my local WalMart lot for days on end with toads/tows disconnected when there are RV parks around that generate revenue for my local government. Overnight is one thing, camping for longer than that is rude and could be harmful to other RVers who need those places for a night's rest to be safe drivers. If you visited some of those Yahoo! Groups people have suggested, you will see the etiquette adopted by responsible and polite RVers who blacktop. If you can't afford camp grounds when you are staying for more than one night, then maybe you shouldn't have bought the RV. JMHO. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> 'Dave, if you are really serious about this traveling you want to do, >> don't be such a cheapskate. Join Escapees.' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > helpful answers. You have not been as nice to posters as they have been to > you. Go back and check your own posts. But Dave is forgiven so it doesn't matter what you think. >>> 'Dave, if you are really serious about this traveling you want to do, >>> don't be such a cheapskate. Join Escapees.' [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > But Dave is forgiven so it doesn't matter what you think. Doesn't he have to die first to get that forgiveness? <g> SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > > But Dave is forgiven so it doesn't matter what you think. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bad spelling. Bad punctuation > Good Friends. Good Life Oh, but he's already conveniently forgiven himself for every sin he's already committed, including gluttony! Hal 'Doesn't he have to die first to get that forgiveness? <g> REPLY: No...you must get it before you die otherwise the deep despair you have for eternity shall be quite overwhelming to you Janet. > 'Doesn't he have to die first to get that forgiveness? <g> > > REPLY: No...you must get it before you die otherwise the deep despair > you have for eternity shall be quite overwhelming to you Janet. I don't subscribe to your brand of afterlife so I'm not at all worried. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> 'Doesn't he have to die first to get that forgiveness? <g> >> >> REPLY: No...you must get it before you die otherwise the deep despair >> you have for eternity shall be quite overwhelming to you Janet. > > I don't subscribe to your brand of afterlife so I'm not at all worried. All these rules rules rules. > 'Doesn't he have to die first to get that forgiveness? <g> > > REPLY: No...you must get it before you die otherwise the deep despair > you have for eternity shall be quite overwhelming to you Janet. Still peddling the same bull sh.t Dave! >>>> REPLY: A few weeks back, i bought a nearly new 2008 Freedom Express >>>> >>>> Class C. 25' for $45,000 and am leaving for the southern Texas >>>> areas >>>> of Galveston and Corpus Christi on Nov. 1st Still bragging about his toys I see! >>> Sorry to have struck such a nerve. You are lucky to have people here >>> doing >>> all of your research for you, you know. But God personally gave him the right to pick everyone else's brains and take advantage of kind people. You've had dozens of questions >>> over the past few months and everyone has given you the courtesy of >>> helpful answers. You have not been as nice to posters as they have been >>> to >>> you. God also gave him the right to be an arrogant sanctimonious SOB! >>Go back and check your own posts.>> Dave has a long history of self denial, but in his case that means denying such things as his own posts. >> But Dave is forgiven so it doesn't matter what you think. > > Doesn't he have to die first to get that forgiveness? <g> We can only live in hope! Davros So good to see you my fellow countryman ! I thought youd totally given up stalking me on the internet its been so long !!! Next time you come to the U.S., please swing by Lake Villa, Illinois. I heard last time you were here, you were quite close to my locale . Sharron is still around ... although her stalking has diminished alot lately. Ken has taken a siesta , and I just heard from Brianna the other day . I think we should have a Stalkers Reunion in SW Dating NG again , dont you ? Those were good ol days. Anyway Adrian, glad you still keep in touch. May God open your heart so you stop pretending he doesnt exist so you can avoid eternal regret and despair. Regards, Dave. Ken has taken a siesta , and I just heard from Brianna the other day . No Dumbwit, I just ignore your rantings for the good of the RV people around here >>>>> REPLY: A few weeks back, i bought a nearly new 2008 Freedom >>>>> Express >>>> Class C. 25' for $45,000 and am leaving for the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Davros Adrian! It's been a while! > >> 'Dave, if you are really serious about this traveling you want to do, > >> don't be such a cheapskate. Join Escapees.' [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > But Dave is forgiven so it doesn't matter what you think. Dave openly brags about spending 45K on an RV, but then shows his real colors by wanting to "save" a few bucks by parking free. He is SUCH an a**hole! Hal >Dave openly brags about spending 45K on an RV, but then shows his real >colors by wanting to "save" a few bucks by parking free. >He is SUCH an a**hole! >Hal In my way of thinking, the a**hole would be someone who would choose to pay to park, when they can park free. Sounds like you are just jealous 'cause Dave is a tad smarter than you. On Sep 21, 9:18 am, stan.bi...@hotmail.com wrote: > >Dave openly brags about spending 45K on an RV, but then shows his real > >colors by wanting to "save" a few bucks by parking free. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to pay to park, when they can park free. Sounds like you are just > jealous 'cause Dave is a tad smarter than you. Dave has shown himself to a tad smarter---than a rusted lug nut! What Janet said about "squaters" like yourself: People who take advantage of these courtesies and "camp" in parking lots for more than a single night are the ones that are in many ways responsible for local ordinances being passed that ban such parking. No one wants an impromptu "trailer park" in their neighborhood. I've been RVing for several decades and I don't like seeing the same RVs in my local WalMart lot for days on end with toads/tows disconnected when there are RV parks around that generate revenue for my local government. Overnight is one thing, camping for longer than that is rude and could be harmful to other RVers who need those places for a night's rest to be safe drivers. If you visited some of those Yahoo! Groups people have suggested, you will see the etiquette adopted by responsible and polite RVers who blacktop. If you can't afford camp grounds when you are staying for more than one night, then maybe you shouldn't have bought the RV. JMHO. <snip the other disparaging posts designed to inflame and incite to anger> >> In my way of thinking, the a**hole would be someone who would choose >> to pay to park, when they can park free. Sounds like you are just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >lots for more than a single night are the ones that are in many ways >responsible for local ordinances being passed that ban such parking. I really don't care what Janet says. Those are HER values; and if she wants to adhere to HER values, then that's her business. It has nothing to do with me. And I don't for a moment buy her hypothesis, that RVers staying anywhere for more than a single night are at all responsible for parking bans. The people responsible for these bans are campground owners, under various organizational or lobby groups such as ARVC (Association of Recreational Vehicle Campgrounds); KOA Kamprounds; COANS (Campground Owners of Nova Scotia), and other such predatory entities. While you seem to be mesmerized by Janet's way of thinking, I am quite able to think for my self, as is Dave; and we really don't need Janet or you to do our thinking for us. I will camp any way I choose to camp, with need yours, or Janet's dispensation! > I've been RVing for several decades and I don't like seeing the same RVs in my >local WalMart lot for days on end with toads/tows disconnected when >there are RV parks around that generate revenue for my local >government. Overnight is one thing, camping for longer than that is rude and >could be harmful to other RVers who need those places for a night's rest to >be safe drivers. Are you bi-polar or something? You just got done saying: 1. Tthat RVers who choose to camp overnight for free are the scum of the earth; 2. You hate RVers camping in your local Wal-Mart, 'cause it could be harmful to other RVers; 3. If RVers camp in Wal-Marts, local governments will invoke RV parking bans. In that case, the best way to accomplish your objective if keeping freebie campers out of Wal-Mart, would be to encourage RVers to stay at Wal-Mart at every opportunity, and if at all possible, for days at a time! Then RVers will be banned from your Wal-Mart, and you will be happy!! Right?? Or have I missed something in your contradictory diatribe? >If you can't afford camp grounds when you are staying for more than >one night, then maybe you shouldn't have bought the RV. JMHO. Really!! If you buy into that nonsense, then you are dumber than you've already heretofore revealed. I will stay in where ever I wish, and for as many nights as I wish, regardless of what YOU think. Like at the outset, you don't even have a real name. You are a nobody, a non-entity, an annonymous piece of nothing. To such, I generally accord as much significant as a cobweb. Stan Birch Newmarket, Ontario > Are you bi-polar or something? You just got done saying: > > 1. Tthat RVers who choose to camp overnight for free are the scum of > the earth; No but you are dyslexic. I said overnight is fine. More than one night is taking advantage of an invitation and could be the cause of loacl ordinances. People living near these merchant lots are just as responsible for the ordinances as are campground owners, but as usual, your head is up your butt. > 2. You hate RVers camping in your local Wal-Mart, 'cause it could be > harmful to other RVers; Extended stays are the cause of no-parking ordinances. > 3. If RVers camp in Wal-Marts, local governments will invoke RV > parking bans. I never said that. You said that. I said that overnight, with permission, arriving late and leaving early was fine. Learn to read, man. Or have I missed something in your contradictory > diatribe? You missed everything. >> If you can't afford camp grounds when you are staying for more than >> one night, then maybe you shouldn't have bought the RV. JMHO. > I will stay in where ever I wish, > and for as many nights as I wish, regardless of what YOU think. It's not just me, you jerk. That policy has been adopted by FMCA, Escapees, and several brand owner's clubs. They also don't approve of moochers like you. As I stated before, and hopefully this will be clear even to those who speak Canadian English: One night in a WalMart or other merchant lot having asked permission, arriving late and leaving early is acceptable behaviour (spelled it so you could understand it)in the RV community. Using a parking lot as a campground is not. People who have attended municipal meetings where the ordinances to ban overnight parking are being discussed have reported that the main reason citizens want to ban such parking is that it is esthetically offensive. The secondary reason is local campgrounds. I personally know several campground owners and while they would like the revenue from overnighters they understand the need for just a place to park for some rest at night. They get angry when they see the same rigs in the WalMart lot for days on end with toads/tows disconnected. Those people are not there for a night's rest. They are there because they are cheap. You are one of the cheap slob RVers that cause the problems for others. If you don't want to pay for camping, find a piece of BLM land where you won't be offensive to the local populace when you put out your awnings, slides and jacks, disconnect your toad and dump your tanks into a storm sewer. Please stay away from my town you ignorant miser. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> > As I stated before, and hopefully this will be clear even to those who > speak Canadian English: One night in a WalMart or other merchant lot > having asked permission, arriving late and leaving early is acceptable > behaviour (spelled it so you could understand it)in the RV community. > Using a parking lot as a campground is not. Isn't it the merchants' decision on what is acceptable? >>>> As I stated before, and hopefully this will be clear even to those who >> speak Canadian English: One night in a WalMart or other merchant lot [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Isn't it the merchants' decision on what is acceptable? It should be, however in many municipalities the merchant must obey local no overnight parking statutes. The citizens of the towns get these passed. A while back there was a huge fuss about a WalMart in Montana. The local citizens, pushed in this case by a KOA owner, passed a no overnight parking ordinance. The WalMart wanted to extend the invitation, but the law didn't permit it. There has to be a compromise between the local citizens and the RVers passing through town. The one night, pulling in late and leaving early doesn't offend any one and where RVers have been considerate enough to follow the suggested etiquette, everything is fine. It's when the same RVs are in the lot day after day that folks get upset. That's why the large RV groups like FMCA and Escapees as well as several brand clubs have adopted the etiquette policy. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >A while back there was a huge fuss about a WalMart in Montana. The local >citizens, pushed in this case by a KOA owner, passed a no overnight [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >large RV groups like FMCA and Escapees as well as several brand clubs >have adopted the etiquette policy. The KOA lost so much business, they finally backed down. I do believe they may have implemented some rational regs, especially to cheap AH's that think they can LIVE wherever they choose. >> A while back there was a huge fuss about a WalMart in Montana. The local >> citizens, pushed in this case by a KOA owner, passed a no overnight [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > they may have implemented some rational regs, especially to cheap AH's > that think they can LIVE wherever they choose. I think they did back down, but I recently saw something about them putting the ordinance back. I don't subscribe to those Yahoo! Groups any longer. BTW, it wasn't just that KOA that lost business, a general boycott was started and RVers made it quite public that they would boycott the town and deprive it of their tourist dollars. That was the real clincher in the repeal. I don't think the KOA lost a single penny of business because of the WalMart. No one was going to go to that KOA which was out of the way and, as all KOA's are, way over-priced. The national headquarters of KOA is in that same Montana town, BTW. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >I think they did back down, but I recently saw something about them >putting the ordinance back. I don't subscribe to those Yahoo! Groups any [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and, as all KOA's are, way over-priced. The national headquarters of KOA >is in that same Montana town, BTW. Re: If you are referring to RV.Net,etc. I agree. That group is run by a group of folks who talk a no politics arena but are certainly willing to allow smear posts about GWB. I bet they promoted the Move-On ad against Gen. Petraus. >> I think they did back down, but I recently saw something about them >> putting the ordinance back. I don't subscribe to those Yahoo! Groups any [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > willing to allow smear posts about GWB. I bet they promoted the > Move-On ad against Gen. Petraus. RV.net! I stopped going there years ago. I hate that kind of tight moderation when it's only the moderator's agenda that counts. I'd rather create my own filters than have some one else censor for me. There is a WalMart Parking Yahoo! Group. There is also a free campground group that has WalMart parking threads, too. Sorry I don't remember the actual names. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >>>>> As I stated before, and hopefully this will be clear even to those who >>> speak Canadian English: One night in a WalMart or other merchant lot [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It should be, however in many municipalities the merchant must obey local > no overnight parking statutes. The citizens of the towns get these passed. Do you really think that non-rv citizens notice that the same RVs are there more than one day? I expect that they complain about any RVs. > Do you really think that non-rv citizens notice that the same RVs are there > more than one day? I expect that they complain about any RVs. Yes, Frank, I believe they do. Unless you have seen some of these parking lots that are half-filled with Rvs for days on end, you wouldn't understand how the locals could find them offensive. We have used WalMarts overnight in our travels and if I happen to be at our local WalMart in the evening and see a few RVs I don't think anything of it, but when I see 4 or 5 of them at 12 PM with no one around and an obviously disconnected car or tow truck, it is not easy to overlook. Many of them don't even bother to park in the back or away from the store and we shoppers have to find parking when they have taken up several spaces. It's that kind of behavior that sours the locals. That and reports of generators running all night when the store lot is on the edge of a residential area. You can't believe how rude some RVers can be. No one has told them that they are not "entitled" to park wherever they feel like parking. Just as there are insensitive people in other phases of life, there are a number of insensitive RVers who, unfortunately, think nothing of ruining things for all of their fellow RVers just because they think they are entitled to something that is, in reality, an invitation, not an entitlement. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life [snip] >You can't believe how rude some RVers can be. No one has told them that >they are not "entitled" to park wherever they feel like parking. Just as >there are insensitive people in other phases of life, there are a number >of insensitive RVers who, unfortunately, think nothing of ruining things >for all of their fellow RVers just because they think they are entitled >to something that is, in reality, an invitation, not an entitlement. Janet, those abusers remind me of an all to often heard scenario in court before I retired. The judge would ask the young defendant just why he took the bike out of the garage. The perp would answer, "well I wanted it and they weren't using it...besides they are rich and can buy another one." Roamer >>Dave openly brags about spending 45K on an RV, but then shows his real >> >>colors by wanting to "save" a few bucks by parking free. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In my way of thinking, the a**hole would be someone who would choose > to > pay to park, when they can park free. Free loading like that just gets all RV'rs a bad name >Sounds like you are just > jealous 'cause Dave is a tad smarter than you. I have scraped crap off my boots which is smarter than Dave! Davros > In my way of thinking, the a**hole would be someone who > would choose to pay to park, when they can park free. Yours is certainly an <ahem> INTERESTING way of thinking. You aren't one of those BLM renegades, are you? <grin> > Sounds like you are just jealous > 'cause Dave is a tad smarter than you. After reading his stuff for several years, I finally filtered him along with the bicycle and propane trolls. Now I'm thinking of UNfiltering the WebTV guy since I'm reading quotes of him so much. <sigh> Signature:) JR 'After reading his stuff for several years, I finally filtered him along with the bicycle and propane trolls. Now I'm thinking of UNfiltering the WebTV guy since I'm reading quotes of him so much. <sigh> -- :) JR' REPLY: Strange how we often censor what we dont want to hear / consider for the sake of maintaining our apriori-philosophical biase which make us feel comfortable (IE: Atheistic beliefs, lifestyle , etc...) , isnt it ? 'After reading his stuff for several years, I finally filtered him along with the bicycle and propane trolls. Now I'm thinking of UNfiltering the WebTV guy since I'm reading quotes of him so much. <sigh> -- :) JR' REPLY: Strange how we often censor what we dont want to hear / consider for the sake of maintaining our apriori-philosophical biase which make us feel comfortable (IE: Atheistic beliefs, lifestyle , etc...) , isnt it ? No Dave! As usual you have it completely wrong. You get filtered quite simply because people can't stand your sanctimonious asinine arrogant assertions, that your beliefs are always right and they are wrong. > 'After reading his stuff for several years, I finally filtered him > along with the bicycle and propane trolls. Now I'm thinking of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > simply because people can't stand your sanctimonious asinine arrogant > assertions, that your beliefs are always right and they are wrong. I'm relatively new to this group and I sometimes disagree with Dave but, for the most part, I think Dave's posts and advice are Christian, giving and positive while I think the response from his little cadre of detractors is Satanic, self-serving and evil. I think thou doest protest so much because Dave has his finger on your innate hypocrisy and outright evil intent. We need more Daves and fewer hyphenated named arseholes. Dave's on topic and you aren't. Dave's civil and you're uncivil. Dave's going to heaven and you're headed for hell. Lucifer has you in his grip. Enjoy those lava lakes when the time comes. Shad O'Shay On Sep 22, 12:07 pm, "Shad O'Shay" <beverlyhi...@steakhouse.org> wrote: <snip> No Dave! As usual you have it completely wrong. You get filtered quite > > simply because people can't stand your sanctimonious asinine arrogant > > assertions, that your beliefs are always right and they are wrong. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Shad O'Shay No one here gives a s**t what you think, ya bible thumping fool Perhaps you haven't noticed this, but Dave's the ONLY person in here who still talks to you. That's because you've been filtered/plonked by everyone else...mainly for kissing Dave's fat a.s > On Sep 22, 12:07 pm, "Shad O'Shay" <beverlyhi...@steakhouse.org> > wrote: <snip> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > That's because you've been filtered/plonked by everyone else...mainly > for kissing Dave's fat a.s Talk is cheap and worth about as much. I think there's lots of lurkers who don't post and who don't have small minds and who don't hide behind kill files and brag about their closed-mindedness. Your concluding that people only post to be answered shows your heathen proclivities. Your hedonism. Your arrogance. Well, let me tell you something. I bet there are way more people who read Dave's posts and agree with his beliefs than with people like you and Ms Hyphenated who don't believe in nothing but sacrilege. I happen to agree with Dave when it comes to the Creator. It's stupid not to believe. It's not logical. You gain everything simply by believing. You lose everything by not believing. Ya gotta be stupid or a disciple of Lucifer to choose not to believe. To choose death over life. You should read "Mere Christianity" written by C.S. Lewis. He once was an atheist like you but he really examined Christianity and now he's a believer. You, too can still be saved . . . Shad O'Shay 'You should read "Mere Christianity" written by C.S. Lewis. He once was an atheist like you but he really examined Christianity and now he's a believer.' REPLY: Also : mega-atheist Philosopher Dr. Anthony Flew who now in his 80's has totally abandoned atheism after vehemently defending it all his life ; it would be akin to Billy Graham turning his back on The Christian Faith...thats how notable Anthony Flew was . Popular Journalist , Lee Strobl, gave up atheism as he readily confessed :" I found atheism philosphically comfortable for my lifestyle choices" . Multitudes of scientists and others have stopped the charade of atheism admitting that really, there is no such thing as an atheist ... only folks who dont wish to move closer to the personal Creator whos made his presence known unmistakably. One day :' Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (and this Creator)' . Now is the time to dig into the evidence that is readily available , for, the implications on ones personal life is unfathomably immense. Dont let pride glue you down. Start here : www.impactapologetics.com and www.answersingenesis.org >> 'After reading his stuff for several years, I finally filtered him >> >> along with the bicycle and propane trolls. Now I'm thinking of >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > for the most part, I think Dave's posts and advice are Christian, > > giving and positive I should imagine you are quite possibly new to the internet too if you've not come across Dave and his posts before, or maybe you have under one of the many guises he uses to post under:- Daveinlakevilla, daveinIllinois, HVACfella, itisdave, advicegiver4U, fast1970vette, filthpolice, MsMaryPoppins, DNandB, decencyadvocate, godisnumerouno, swavedave, hellofriend, savedbygod, RvingisAlotofFun, and AreYouChangedByGod. while I think the response from his little cadre of > detractors is Satanic, self-serving and evil. > No that is exactly the problem, like Dave you obviously don't bother to think at all, just accept the brainwashing Lol! I think thou doest protest > so much because Dave has his finger on your innate hypocrisy and > outright evil intent.> There's no hypocrisy there, I would only be being hypocritical if I really agreed with Dave, which I most certainly do not. > We need more Daves and fewer hyphenated named arseholes. > Jealous because you don't have a hyphen in your name? >Dave's on > topic and you aren't. Dave's civil and you're uncivil. > Dave has never been civil! Sanctimonious? Yes! Hypocritical? Yes! Arrogant? Yes! But never civil. >Dave's going to > heaven and you're headed for hell.> So Dave has told me, many times, but I'm afraid I don't believe in a concept of heaven and hell, and I particularly don't believe in Dave's main concept of using religion as a crutch to get out of responsibility here and now. > Lucifer has you in his grip. Enjoy > those lava lakes when the time > comes.> Bwwwwhhhhhahaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahah! I'm glad I posted in this group, as I've found someone nearly as funny as Dave! >> I should imagine you are quite possibly new to the internet too if >> you've [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > godisnumerouno, swavedave, hellofriend, savedbygod, RvingisAlotofFun, > and AreYouChangedByGod. Who cares. It's not illegal to use different identities, is it? Seems to me you sound like a stalker who's over preoccupied with who posts what. Maybe you need to get a life? > while I think the response from his little cadre of >> detractors is Satanic, self-serving and evil. > > > No that is exactly the problem, like Dave you obviously don't bother > to think at all, just accept the brainwashing Lol! You call it brainwashing because the devil speaks with your mouth. I know that deep in the recesses of your brain there's still a dormant cell or two that has doubts about your rabid anti-Christian stance. There's gotta be. Why don't you stop with the absolute disbelief. Ask yourself why, while you criticize others for absolute belief, you engage in absolute disbelief. Which is the more sane? > I think thou doest protest > so much because Dave has his finger on > your innate hypocrisy and > outright evil intent.> > > There's no hypocrisy there, I would only be being hypocritical if I > really agreed with Dave, which I most certainly do not. There is too hypocrisy. Anybody who claims to know it all is a hypocrite. You claim to know there is no God and say Christians are ignorant fools. Only a hypocrite can believe he is omnipotent while denying omnipotency exists. If you don't see this point then you are a fool as well. >> We need more Daves and fewer hyphenated named arseholes. > > > Jealous because you don't have a hyphen in your name? Not at all. The hyphen only tells me you're too wishy-washy to even chose a name for yourself. You have to list two. You seem to think straddling the fence on the one hand and then believing you are omnipotent on the other is not another example still of your hypocrisy. >>Dave's on > topic and you aren't. Dave's civil and you're uncivil. > > > Dave has never been civil! Sanctimonious? Yes! Hypocritical? Yes! > Arrogant? Yes! But never civil. I've never seen him post uncivil stuff here. Please point me to a post of his here that's uncivil, if you'd be so kind. >>Dave's going to > heaven and you're headed for hell.> > > So Dave has told me, many times, but I'm afraid I don't believe in a > concept of heaven and hell, and I particularly don't believe in Dave's > main concept of using religion as a crutch to get out of > responsibility here and now. It doesn't matter what you believe as far as your belief in Heaven and Hell. Those things exist in spite of your beliefs. But the really kewl thing is you've been given the ability to choose which one is for you. As for religion being a crutch you can use to get out of responsiblility here and now, nothing could be further from the truth. Your saying such a thing tells me you have a complete lack of understanding of the Christian religion. You display your ignorance of the subject on the one hand and on the other you act like an authority on it. More hypocrisy. >> Lucifer has you in his grip. Enjoy > those lava lakes when the time >> comes.> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm glad I posted in this group, as I've found someone nearly as funny > as Dave! Glad I'm good for a laugh at least but perhaps with both myself and Dave praying for your lost soul you might still have a chance to get back on the straight and narrow path before it's too late. Shad O'Shay Too often we take comfort with opinion without the discomfort of thought. - JFK >>> I should imagine you are quite possibly new to the internet too if >>> you've [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to me you sound like a stalker who's over preoccupied with who posts > what. Maybe you need to get a life? Pot, kettle, black... >> while I think the response from his little cadre of >>> detractors is Satanic, self-serving and evil. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You call it brainwashing because the devil speaks with your mouth. That's quite amazing; an imaginary being speaking with somebody else's mouth. - I suppose being imaginary means this creature only has an imaginary mouth and is unable to speak with it. What really worries me is that certain halfwits can hear the verbage of imaginary beings. - Isn't that classed as schitzophrenia? > I > know that deep in the recesses of your brain there's still a dormant [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > thought. > - JFK > What really worries me is that certain halfwits can hear the verbage > of imaginary beings. - Isn't that classed as schitzophrenia? What amazes me is how illiterate you are, punk. Verbage? Bwaaahahahahhahahaha! Did you, in your utmost ignorance perhaps mean "verbiage?" And "schitzpphrenia" - what a dolt! Shad O'Shay >> What really worries me is that certain halfwits can hear the verbage >> of imaginary beings. - Isn't that classed as schitzophrenia? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Shad O'Shay 'Strange way to talk to a lady; and a spell-lamer too! May I add that it's you who can't spell schitzophrenia: Neither do you know what it is. - 'Quite obviously an uneducated fundy. On Oct 2, 5:51 pm, "Dr.H@l0nf1r?$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > 'Strange way to talk to a lady; and a spell-lamer too! > May I add that it's you who can't spell schitzophrenia: Neither do you know > what it is. - 'Quite obviously an uneducated fundy. He's just an RV hating fundy a.shole that almost everyone ignores in here, except Dumbfuck Dave >>> What really worries me is that certain halfwits can hear the verbage >>> of imaginary beings. - Isn't that classed as schitzophrenia? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > May I add that it's you who can't spell schitzophrenia: Neither do you > know what it is. - 'Quite obviously an uneducated fundy. Nothing wrong with Christianity. Beats the hell outta being an air biscuit atheist, Aussie kisser, pranny povvy! Shad O'Shay (multi-lingual in slang) >> 'After reading his stuff for several years, I finally filtered him >> along with the bicycle and propane trolls. Now I'm thinking of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Shad O'Shay ...And you wonder why you got killfiled?! On Oct 1, 4:42 pm, "Dr.H@l0nf1r?$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > ...And you wonder why you got killfiled?! I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of "imaginary" lurkers who kiss the very ground he walks over. Hal I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of "imaginary" lurkers who kiss the very ground he walks over. Hal It's the ground I "ride" on, you weenie! As one of the worlds fastest cyclists I hardly need to worry about a bunch of losers on an RV site responding to my posts. Shad O'Shay | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Shad O'Shay I have never seen your name on any cycling list. > | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person > | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I have never seen your name on any cycling list. It's an alias you goof! What kind of an idiot uses his real name on Usenet? Doh! What kind of an idiot uses news server that displays his IP number? Not even you do and you're undoubtedly on the idiot list. So you have to be a stupid idiot to do both. That idiot Dr. Whatever at Kustom Komputer doesn't even use her real name but she's stupid enough to use a news server that lists her IP number. Foolish dweebster! Auktard lamer! Dwimmerlak duncinstein. Indelible wankstain! Hey, I bet you can't do 45 kilometers in 57 minutes on a bicycle. I can. Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT a week or so ago. Shad O'Shay | > | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person | > | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | It's an alias you goof! Translation: You are afraid to found out to be nothing but a poser. What kind of an idiot uses his real name on | Usenet? I do, but then I never say anything that could be used against me. Doh! What kind of an idiot uses news server that displays his IP | number? Not even you do and you're undoubtedly on the idiot list. So what if my IP number is displayed. Big deal. | So you have to be a stupid idiot to do both. That idiot Dr. Whatever at | Kustom Komputer doesn't even use her real name but she's stupid enough [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT a week or so | ago. Bullshit. | Shad O'Shay >>> I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person >>> in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > at Kustom Komputer doesn't even use her real name but she's stupid > enough to use a news server that lists her IP number. Have you ever heard of a dynamic IP? > Foolish > dweebster! Auktard lamer! Dwimmerlak duncinstein. Indelible wankstain! Your sig is supposed to be at the bottom of your post. > Hey, I bet you can't do 45 kilometers in 57 minutes on a bicycle. I > can. Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT a > week or so ago. Are you after a medal? | >>> I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person | >>> in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] | > | Are you after a medal? He is after acceptance of a fantasy world he has created about his hollow life . >>>> I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY >>>> person [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Have you ever heard of a dynamic IP? Of course I have but those are issued by your IP. Your IP just doesn't pull them outta thin air, ya know. You can still be identified dynamic or not. You're no sawbones. You just don't know too many obvious things. Things even high school dropouts know. >> Foolish >> dweebster! Auktard lamer! Dwimmerlak duncinstein. Indelible >> wankstain! > > Your sig is supposed to be at the bottom of your post. Ha ha ha! Snappy comeback for a girl! >> Hey, I bet you can't do 45 kilometers in 57 minutes on a bicycle. I >> can. Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT a >> week or so ago. >> > Are you after a medal? I've got a garage full of trophies and awards. I'm no stranger to the podium. Shad O'Shay >>>>> I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY >>>>> person [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > or not. You're no sawbones. You just don't know too many obvious > things. Things even high school dropouts know. That comment belies your educational status. >>> Foolish >>> dweebster! Auktard lamer! Dwimmerlak duncinstein. Indelible [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ha ha ha! Snappy comeback for a girl! Cheauvanist pig. I was trained at the Kadaitcha Academy by a master kook and troll. >>> Hey, I bet you can't do 45 kilometers in 57 minutes on a bicycle. I >>> can. Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've got a garage full of trophies and awards. I'm no stranger to the > podium. Well that will add to your masturbational fantasy no end. > Sad-O-Shithead. >>>>>> I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY >>>>>> person [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > That comment belies your educational status. I might not have a doctorate like you *claim* to have but that doesn't have anything to do with knowing about dynamic IP numbers. They can be traced, girlie. You'd better look it up on Google or Wiki - both about your intellectual speed. >>>> Foolish >>>> dweebster! Auktard lamer! Dwimmerlak duncinstein. Indelible [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > Cheauvanist pig. At first I was thinking about correcting your spelling again but I thought better of it. You can't be that lousy a speller so you musta done it on purpose, just to get a rise out of me. Too bad I'm smarter than you think and didn't fall for it. Bet that bums you out, girlie. Can't even get a rise outta a dude on Usenet. I bet you carry a purse full of Viagra to slip into your dates' drinks to get a *rise* outta them. Not a bad idea for a fat girl, I guess. > I was trained at the Kadaitcha Academy by a master kook and troll. Better matriculate one more time. Clearly you didn't make graduation day first time around, girlie! You're no Bertie the Bunyip and that's fer sure. >>>> Hey, I bet you can't do 45 kilometers in 57 minutes on a bicycle. I >>>> can. Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Well that will add to your masturbational fantasy no end. I've got hordes of horny young female groupies waiting in line to service my ardent desires. But, I turn them down because my wife puts them all to shame. She's beautiful. Masturbation? What's that? Awards don't mean a whole lot to me. It's the knowing I can kick most cyclists' a.ses in a fair race that makes the world go around. And knowing I've got my head screwed on straighter than a goofy, self-proclaimed, female doctor of shrinkology gives me a little more power in my pedal stroke. Now, run along. You bother me. (This is sorta fun. I could never get away with this kinda thing under my real identity.) Shad O'Shay >>>>>>> I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY >>>>>>> person [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I might not have a doctorate like you *claim* to have Where did I claim that? >but that doesn't > have anything to do with knowing about dynamic IP numbers. They can be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > At first I was thinking about correcting your spelling again but I > thought better of it. Wise move; my spelling is correct as is; but for a laugh let's see how you spell it... > You can't be that lousy a speller so you musta > done it on purpose, just to get a rise out of me. Too bad I'm smarter > than you think and didn't fall for it. Bet that bums you out, girlie. What a fuckwit! > Can't even get a rise outta a dude on Usenet. I bet you carry a purse > full of Viagra to slip into your dates' drinks to get a *rise* outta > them. Not a bad idea for a fat girl, I guess. <shakes head.> >> I was trained at the Kadaitcha Academy by a master kook and troll. > > Better matriculate one more time. Clearly you didn't make graduation > day first time around, girlie! You're no Bertie the Bunyip and that's > fer sure. Is this some kind of redneck conversion talk? >>>>> Hey, I bet you can't do 45 kilometers in 57 minutes on a bicycle. >>>>> I can. Even when I was having a bad day. Did it at the Worlds ITT [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > service my ardent desires. But, I turn them down because my wife puts > them all to shame. She's beautiful. Masturbation? What's that? Latex or PVC? > Awards don't mean a whole lot to me. It's the knowing I can kick most > cyclists' a.ses in a fair race that makes the world go around. And > knowing I've got my head screwed on straighter than a goofy, > self-proclaimed, female doctor of shrinkology gives me a little more > power in my pedal stroke. That is the only place you have any power then. > Now, run along. You bother me. (This is sorta fun. I could never get > away with this kinda thing under my real identity.) I think your nurse is coming to put you back in your straitjacket. > Sad O'Shithead Where did I claim to have a doctorate? >> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person >> | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Hi Shad, it's Reality Check Time Worlds Cycling ITT last week was in Stuttgart, Germany. Results - easily available by a web search. Winner - Cancellera - 56.33 min. Fastest American - Zabriskie - 57.55 (12th place) Next American - McCartney - 58.24 Your own time of 57 mins means you beat both of the US cyclists. But it also means you're not an American. | >> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person | >> | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] | | But it also means you're not an American. It means he is a kid who is living his dream of being a cyclist on his mother's computer. His cycle is probably a 20" from WalMart. On Oct 4, 6:28 am, "David Moffitt" <dmoff...@stompingweasels.org> wrote: > It means he is a kid who is living his dream of being a cyclist on his > mother's computer. His cycle is probably a 20" from WalMart. O'Shithead has a plastic Hot Wheels Trike, stolen from a little kid down the street > On Oct 4, 6:28 am, "David Moffitt" <dmoff...@stompingweasels.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > O'Shithead has a plastic Hot Wheels Trike, stolen from a little kid > down the street My time trials bikes probably cost more than your double-wide. Freakin' trailer park trash, no doubt about it. Shad O'Shay | > On Oct 4, 6:28 am, "David Moffitt" <dmoff...@stompingweasels.org> | > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | My time trials bikes probably cost more than your double-wide. Freakin' | trailer park trash, no doubt about it. What did you do put mud flaps and reflectors on your Huffy? | Shad O'Shay >What did you do put mud flaps and reflectors on your Huffy? > >| Shad O'Shay He is all hat and no herd. If he was real, he would give his name. I know a couple people who have connections to big time trike racing. Phoney on all fronts. | >What did you do put mud flaps and reflectors on your Huffy? | > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | | Phoney on all fronts. If he was real he wouldn't be beating his pigeon chest in an RV group. > | >What did you do put mud flaps and reflectors on your Huffy? > | > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > If he was real he wouldn't be beating his pigeon chest in an RV group. You two are sooooo lame! Trike racing, Huffy's and imagined virility. What's with that? But, don't get me wrong, it's OK with me. While I'm out there scorching the macadam with the other Elites, you two weenies can keep snacking on pork rinds while watching us real athletes on the tube. Shad O'Shay | > | >What did you do put mud flaps and reflectors on your Huffy? | > | > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | | Shad O'Shay ROTFLMAO! It must be a another dull day in Shad's basement apartment. > | >> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY > person [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > It means he is a kid who is living his dream of being a cyclist on his > mother's computer. His cycle is probably a 20" from WalMart. It means Ramsey posted bogus information and you fell for it lock, stock and beer belly. This 'kid' is a podium threat on most any TT course. "Elite Men" can't be kids, ya dork. Shad O'Shay | > | >> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY | > person [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] | and beer belly. This 'kid' is a podium threat on most any TT course. | "Elite Men" can't be kids, ya dork. But dorks like you can be "Elite Men" only in their imagination. How's the 20" Huffy bike doing? | Shad O'Shay >>> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY >>> person [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Worlds Cycling ITT last week was in Stuttgart, Germany. I know that! Doh! Isn't that what I wrote? Did you also read the "elite men' part? > Results - easily available by a web search. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > But it also means you're not an American. I am too an American. I am the omega and the alpha. I don't know where you got your times but they ain't right. Probably did a crummy web search. Here's the correct info, man. Fabian's time was 55m41s. I was 2m13s behind that. So my time was 57m54s So, I failed to mention the seconds. Big deal. I was thinking minutes. Fabian 55 and me 57. So shoot me! Shad O'Shay | >>> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY | >>> person [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] | Fabian's time was 55m41s. I was 2m13s behind that. So my time was | 57m54s Imagine going that fast on a Huffy from WallyWorld! | So, I failed to mention the seconds. Big deal. I was thinking minutes. | Fabian 55 and me 57. So shoot me! | | Shad O'Shay >>>> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person >>>> | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Shad O'Shay So you're really, being the top-finishing American, David Zabriskie. I'm afraid you've fallen on hard times, Dave. You used to run 2nd to Fabian Cancellara. He's still 1st and now you're 12th. [Is that why you failed to mention the seconds?] Maybe you're spending too much time bitching on alt.rv and not enough time on training rides. Reality Check, Shad. The real Dave Zabriskie has an offical web page, with people to manage it. That's what worldclass cyclists do. > >>>> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY > >>>> person [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > So you're really, being the top-finishing American, > David Zabriskie. I'll neither confirm nor deny. > I'm afraid you've fallen on hard times, Dave. I've had a bit of a setback this year with tendonitis in my surgically repaired knee but I've still got some good years left. Ya can't win every race. And even 12th at the worlds isn't anything to be ashamed of. But, it wasn't one of my better days. My head just wasn't in it for some reason. > You used to run 2nd to Fabian Cancellara. He's > still 1st and now you're 12th. One race, you twit. I've beat Fabian already and I'll beat him again. > [Is that why you failed to mention the seconds?] > > Maybe you're spending too much time bitching on alt.rv > and not enough time on training rides. I train according to what's best for me. There's such a thing as too much training, ya know. > Reality Check, Shad. > > The real Dave Zabriskie has an offical web page, > with people to manage it. Jealous? > That's what worldclass cyclists do. One must keep the fans happy. Did you know my videos on Velonews during the TDF were watched by more fans than anybody but Chris Horner? People were really disappointed when I had to drop out because of my knee. Shad O'Shay > "John Ramsay" <jramsay@netscape.ca> wrote in message > news:47059D05.4020303@netscape.ca... > >> >> >> >> Hi Shad, it's Reality Check Time >> >> >> >> Worlds Cycling ITT last week was in Stuttgart, Germany. >> > >> > >> > I know that! Doh! Isn't that what I wrote? Did you also read the >> > "elite men' part? >> > >> >> >> >> Results - easily available by a web search. >> >> >> >> Winner - Cancellera - 56.33 min. >> >> >> >> Fastest American - Zabriskie - 57.55 (12th place) >> >> Next American - McCartney - 58.24 >> >> >> >> Your own time of 57 mins means you beat both >> >> of the US cyclists. >> >> >> >> But it also means you're not an American. >> > >> > >> > I am too an American. I am the omega and the alpha. I don't know > >> where >> > you got your times but they ain't right. Probably did a crummy web >> > search. Here's the correct info, man. >> > >> > Fabian's time was 55m41s. I was 2m13s behind that. So my time was >> > 57m54s >> > >> > So, I failed to mention the seconds. Big deal. I was thinking > >> minutes. >> > Fabian 55 and me 57. So shoot me! >> > >> > Shad O'Shay >> >> >> >> So you're really, being the top-finishing American, >> David Zabriskie. > > > I'll neither confirm nor deny. > Given the times posted for Stuttgart ITT, your assertion you are American, and your claim to have been 2.13 mins behind Cancellara you could only be David Zabriskie. But you're not. Here's what the real David Zabriskie says on his official web page: "First of all, I'd like everyone to know that I am OK. I've received emails expressing concern about my well being because I've failed to provide my wonderful fans with news or updates. In truth, I no longer travel with my computer. I find now that when racing I just want to concentrate on that and not waste time trying to find connections to the Internet..." Shad, you're merely a pathetic individual who can only gain some sense of self-importance by pretending to be somebody else. How sad. > > "John Ramsay" <jramsay@netscape.ca> wrote in message > > news:47059D05.4020303@netscape.ca... [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > that and not waste time trying to find connections > to the Internet..." In other words my fans expect too much of my time so I've got to politely just say no to some of that constant demand. Oh, I don't mind signing an autograph or shaking a hand at the races or an interview or any of that kind of thing. That's part of racing. But, I've gotta have some time to myself and family when the racing's done... It was a good thing to say - about not carrying a laptop with me anymore. Fooled you didn't it? Ha ha ha. Think about it. How the hell did ya think I wrote that and managed to get it on my website without a computer? Sitting in hotels gets boring. The computer passes the time but it's got to be fun stuff and not just more of the grind. Understand? Duh! I can say I don't carry my computer anymore, too much trouble, too much distraction - that's all true but carrying a little ole laptop is no real trouble. It's being expected to keep in touch every day with so many people that's the problem. It makes something that was fun into a hard job and I've already got a hard job. So I say I don't have my computer but I DO have it for important stuff and for stuff like jerking you idiots around. Besides, racing is about over for this year, dude. Read what I read again, dude! The last race I talk about is Paris-Nice. That was way back at the beginning of the season. I wrote that stuff a long time ago. And the Tour de Georgia - that was way, way long ago. Try to keep up. See, that's the problem with fans, ya supposed to luv 'em and Lord knows you want them and need them but fans are way needy most of the time. They'd happily take up all my time if I let them. Can't have that. Gotta set priorities - training and racing are top of the list. As for Team CSC, haven't you heard I signed with Slipstream/Chipotle??? I guess I need to update my main page soon. > Shad, you're merely a pathetic individual who > can only gain some sense of self-importance > by pretending to be somebody else. Think whatever you want. I couldn't care less about what you think. I'm the man! You da camp follower. But keep following my stellar career. I appreciate it. ;-) If you follow pro cycle racing at all you're not all bad. Shad O'Shay >> > "John Ramsay" <jramsay@netscape.ca> wrote in message >> > news:47059D05.4020303@netscape.ca... [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > in hotels gets boring. The computer passes the time but it's got to be > fun stuff and not just more of the grind. Understand? Look at the site, Shad. It's professionally managed. A phone call to the managers is all that's needed. BTW, you have also confirmed that you are Zabriskie and that you lied to your fans. So you're a self-confessed liar and you want people to believe you? More than a little dumb. > Duh! I can say I don't carry my computer anymore, too much trouble, > too much distraction - that's all true but carrying a little ole [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Shad O'Shay >>> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person >>> | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > But it also means you're not an American. World ITT results filed Sept 27, 2007 UCI world road championships Stuttgart, Germany Individual time trial - elite men Top 20 1. Fabian Cancellara (Swi), at 55:41 2. Laszlo Bodrogi (Hun), at at 0:52 (56:33) 3. Stef Clement (Ned), at 0:57 (56:38) 4. Bert Grabsch (G), at 1:12 (56:53) 5. Sebastian Lang (G), at 1:17 (56:58) 6. Vladimir Gusev (Rus), at 1:46 (57:27) 7. Jose Ivan Gutierrez (Sp), at 1:56 (57:37) 8. Andrey Mizurov (Kaz), at 2:02 (57:43) 9. Vasili Kiryenka (Blr), at 2:03 (57:44) 10. Bradley Wiggins (GB), at 2:10 (57:51) 11. Dominique Cornu (B), at 2:10 (57:51) 12. David Zabriskie (USA), at 2:13 (57:54) 13. Raivis Belohvosciks (Latvia), at 2:19 (58:00) 14. Marco Pinotti (I), at 2:20 (58:01) 15. Gustav Larsson (Swe), at 2:30 (58:11) 16. Matti Helminen (Fin), at 2:31 (58:12) 17. Andrei Kunitski (Blr), at 2:37 (58:18) 18. David Millar (GB), at 2:40 (58:21) 19. Vincenzo Nibali (I), at 2:42 (58:23) 20. Jason McCartney (USA), at 2:42 (58:23) Shad remains plonked... John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee | >>> | I mentioned the fact to Shad O'Shithead that DILV is the ONLY person | >>> | in here who replies to him, But he thinks there's a whole load of [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] | 11. Dominique Cornu (B), at 2:10 (57:51) | 12. David Zabriskie (USA), at 2:13 (57:54) Shad claims his time was 57:54 so would that make him Zabriskie or just his #1 troll? ":o) | 13. Raivis Belohvosciks |
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