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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2007Ping Janet..once again
Janet, Since you are a seasoned RVer, what are some of the best towns / areas of the Southwest (Texas., NM, and AZ) that you found to be excellent for doing a variety of things at ? Not necessarily just C.G.'s...but cities, towns, etc... Can you think what might be your top 3 ? Please list and why. Thanks, Dave. > Janet, Since you are a seasoned RVer, what are some of the best towns > / areas of the Southwest (Texas., NM, and AZ) that you found to be > excellent for doing a variety of things at ? Not necessarily just > C.G.'s...but cities, towns, etc... Can you think what might be your top > 3 ? Please list and why. Thanks, Dave. Dave, I used to get paid for this when I wrote travel articles for magazines <g> I am highly prejudiced towards the Lower Rio Grande Valley. That's the area between Brownsville and Mission, along US 77/83. After wintering here in my RV for several years, we decided to make it our permanent home when it came time, after 9 years of full timing, to get a stick and brick place we bought a home here. The Gladys Porter Zoo in Brownsville is nationally recognized. The beaches of South Padre Island are lovely and almost empty in the winter. The fishing in the Laguna Madre and the Gulf of Mexico is excellent. We are on the border of Mexico and there is a little town that is dedicated to Winter Texans that is safe to visit, shop and eat in. Dental care is wonderful and inexpensive. People come from all over just for dental work. Personal pharmaceuticals are also a lot cheaper than in the US. If you are a birder, this area is one of the top birding places in the world. Each Fall Harlingen holds a birding festival that is attended by people from all over the world. There are many Birding and butterfly centers as well as preserves for other wildlife, some of it endangered. Cultural activities are numerous. There are several colleges and universities in the area. Fine Arts museums, historical museums, concerts, plays, film festivals, etc. are all available and the cost is so much more affordable that it is in urban areas to the north. The best part of life here in the LRGV is that the cost of living is low. Food costs less. Restaurants cost less. RV parks cost less, etc. We have never had a day here where the air quality has not been "good" I also am quite fond of the Texas Hill Country. The scenery is soul-soothing. There are many towns that reflect the heritage of their founders in the area. San Antonio is a marvelous city. It has been capable of integrating the new with the old and you will find Spanish Colonial buildings next door to 20th and 21st century architecture. The amazing thing is that in San Antonio it all works! The institute of Texan Cultures is a wonderful place to visit but most people don't bother and just visit the Alamo, which is historic and kind of a shrine for Texans, but nowhere as interesting as the Institute of Texan Cultures. I also like strolling through the Mercado and the arts area and eating the best ever chicken fried steak at Lulu's Cafe on Main Street. New Mexico is not a an area to consider wintering in. If I had to pick an area I like the best there, it would be the area north of Las Cruces. The White Sands area and Ruidoso are my favorites. We have enjoyed visits to Albuquerque, Santa Fe and the Grants area, but not as much. Roswell is entertaining, but not somewhere I'd spend more than a day or two. There is a great museum in Deming. The winery there is pretty good and it's a good place to use as a base for touring the area including the state parks and the museum in Columbus. I have little personal use for Arizona. The dryness affects my ability to breathe and my nose bleeds every day. Yuma is a giant sand box with wind. The town fathers haven't caught on to the fact that most of the area's economy comes from winter visitors. They have no overnight parking ordinances in the city so WalMart parking is out of the question. Quite a nice way to thank the people who pump in millions each winter. The area around Phoenix is so polluted that it's a wonder anyone can breathe there. It's rated lower than New York City for air cleanliness. If there is any area of Arizona that I'd recommend it's up by Cottonwood. The little town of Jerome is fun. There is a scenic railroad that has a delightful trip out into the hinterlands. Montezuma's Castle and Montezuma's Well are interesting places if one is into real American history. Sedona, an area of gorgeous scenery is also nearby. The town itself is artsy-fartsy and everything is way over-priced, but Oak Creek Canyon and the surrounding area is beautiful. Flagstaff is a pleasant area with lots of big pine trees. It is not a place one wants to spend the winter at. It gets a lot of snow and is very, very cold. That's all I could come up with at short notice.  SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > I used to get paid for this when I wrote > travel articles for magazines <g> It's easy to see why that was so. I enjoy reading your words. Thanks for taking the time to write such good articles. Signature:) JR >> I used to get paid for this when I wrote >> travel articles for magazines <g> > > It's easy to see why that was so. I enjoy reading your words. Thanks for > taking the time to write such good articles. ...and thank you for the compliment. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > Janet, Since you are a seasoned RVer, what are some of the best towns > / areas of the Southwest (Texas., NM, and AZ) that you found to be > excellent for doing a variety of things at ? Not necessarily just > C.G.'s...but cities, towns, etc... Can you think what might be your top > 3 ? Please list and why. Thanks, Dave. I only know AZ but know it well. Really depends on what you like to do. Flagstaff is probably tops for summer RV'ing. Sedona is great in the fall and winter months (can get warm in the summer). If you like mountain stream and lake fishing then Greer, AZ and nearby is hard to beat for the scenery. In the winter months southern AZ is a lot of fun. We like the Tombstone and Sierra Vista areas. Janet, Thanks much ; that was a tremendous overview , and writing is defintely your forte. I felt like i was watching a Travel Video reading your writeup. I got the impression that safety is an issue close to the Mexico border of the Lower Rio Grande area (?). Miles, Tombstone and Sierra Vista are on my list to stay at before i head over to Yuma to get a BLM permit so i can stay long term around Lake Havasu. Jim, Quartsite i want to see and stay at because ive heard its like the Meca for snowbirds ; but dont know how much I can take of feeling cramped amongst thousands of RVers. I enjoy a variety of things but especially : Photography, visiting scenic wonders, some Flea Marketing, music, kayaking in this new inflatable i just got, cycling, pistol shooting, astronomy, reading, seafood restaurant buffets, church activities. So far for my Southwest snowbird trip, i have the following agenda (which can be added to) : Leave Northern Illinois on Nov. 1 and head to Cincinnati area to see the new Creation Museum , then over to the Memphis area to see friends , then head down to the Texas coast of Galveston/Corpus Christi area , then up to Austin to see friends, then do the string of National Observatorys in far southern NM , over to Tombstone, AZ area , onto Yuma heading up thru Quartzite to Lake Havasu , then over to Tempe to see friends and back to Lake Havasu area. Coming back home, ill do Kitt Peak Observatory (and some things around Tucson which i know quite well) . I shall add some of Janets things to my list as i go along . Dave > Miles, Tombstone and Sierra Vista are on my list to stay at before i > head over to Yuma to get a BLM permit so i can stay long term around > Lake Havasu. We like Tombstone Territories RV Park. It's out in the desert by itself where its very quiet. From there its an easy drive to Tombstone, Fort Huchaca, Kartchner Caverns (Don't miss this!), wineries around Sonoita and Elgin and more. > Jim, Quartsite i want to see and stay at because ive heard its like > the Meca for snowbirds I suppose people like the RV atmosphere when Quartzite is in full swing. Otherwise this town is in the middle of nowhere with little else going for it! 'We like Tombstone Territories RV Park. It's out in the desert by itself where its very quiet. From there its an easy drive to Tombstone, Fort Huchaca, Kartchner Caverns (Don't miss this!), wineries around Sonoita and Elgin and more.' REPLY: Miles, Ive been to Kartchner about 6 years ago. Have you stayed at a place called Turkey (something) Campground which is supposed to be in the area of Tombstone ? What about Pagadonia State Park ? Ill try to find TT RV Park and thanks for mentioning that. > REPLY: Miles, Ive been to Kartchner about 6 years ago. Have you > stayed at a place called Turkey (something) Campground which is > supposed to be in the area of Tombstone ? What about Pagadonia State > Park ? Ill try to find TT RV Park and thanks for mentioning that. Tombstone Territories RV park is about 8 miles or so west of Tombstone on highway 82. About 1 mile west of the ghost town of Fairbanks (just ruins of old buildings there). We like it because there is nothing else right near it. Just wide open desert. Have not been to other campgrounds in the area. 'Tombstone Territories RV park is about 8 miles or so west of Tombstone on highway 82. About 1 mile west of the ghost town of Fairbanks (just ruins of old buildings there). We like it because there is nothing else right near it. Just wide open desert.' REPLY: Sounds like a tranquil place . Im going to put it on my stay-over list . Thanks Miles. > Janet, Thanks much ; that was a tremendous overview , and writing is > defintely your forte. I felt like i was watching a Travel Video > reading your writeup. I got the impression that safety is an issue > close to the Mexico border of the Lower Rio Grande area (?). Definitely not any more of a problem than any where else and probably less than more urban areas. If you are worried about crime, stay out of Houston. Houston's crime rate has soared since the refugees from Katrina moved in. They weren't illegal aliens, either. The government wants everyone to believe that there are millions of illegal immigrants crossing the border here, but the Border Patrol's figures are that most illegals cross in Arizona. Any that do get past, don't hang around. They go to places like Illinois, Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. where the can get jobs so they can send money home to their families. There are drugs crossing the border, but there drugs crossing our borders at every point: Canada, Florida, California, Arizona, New Mexico. I just read something in the paper that said our border with Canada is not patrolled and it's quite easy to smuggle things in that way. The Border Patrol performed an exercise and was able to get away with smuggling 3 out of 3 tries. We have three times the Border Patrol staff here than on our border with Canada. Don't worry about the Lower Rio Grande Valley. Our crime rate isn't any higher than any where else and probably lower than any Urban city in the country I don't know where you are going to kayak in Galveston and Corpus. I would definitely stay out of the Gulf of Mexico. The Laguna Madre is known for some unexpected currents, too. The (Texas) Colorado River, sort of between Houston and Austin is a great kayak and canoe river. The town of Columbus, Texas has a couple of RV parks and if you are there on a Saturday night, you might want to consider going to the Columbus Opry. This is real Americana. Old time Country music with an awesome house band and entertainers from young wannabees to professionals with Houston gigs who drop by to give the locals a treat. The Columbus to Schulenberg area (just north of I-10)is also famous for its "painted churches" that were built by the Czech settlers in the area. The Columbus chamber of commerce can give you a map and the drive, taking you through huge ranches with various breeds of cattle over gently rolling terrain is lovely. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life 'If you are worried about crime, stay out of Houston. Houston's crime rate has soared since the refugees from Katrina moved in. They weren't illegal aliens, either.' REPLY: I wont be even passing thru Houston , instead ill be driving thru Beaumont (from the north) in order to get onto Galveston Island. 'I don't know where you are going to kayak in Galveston and Corpus. I would definitely stay out of the Gulf of Mexico. The Laguna Madre is known for some unexpected currents, too.' REPLY: The kayak is for lakes, ponds, and streams once i get to AZ (primarily). Plus i read there are alligators in southern Texas -- i dont think my inflatable kayak would stand up to one of those ! > REPLY: The kayak is for lakes, ponds, and streams once i get to AZ > (primarily). Plus i read there are alligators in southern Texas -- i > dont think my inflatable kayak would stand up to one of those ! The only alligators around here are in the zoo and on the Laguna Atascosa Wildlife Preserve. I've never heard of or seen any in the Laguna Madre or even any of our hundreds of miles of canals and resacas. You must be referring to areas north of here. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life 'The only alligators around here are in the zoo and on the Laguna Atascosa Wildlife Preserve. I've never heard of or seen any in the Laguna Madre or even any of our hundreds of miles of canals and resacas. You must be referring to areas north of here. SignatureJanet Wilder' REPLY: I posted the site i found a few weeks back about Alligators in Texas. I think it was up north. Ill see if i can find the site again and post it in this thread. If theres just an inkling of a chance that 'gators are around...the kayak stays in the Cargo contaniner and instead, ill go shopping ! We had some friends who lived in the incorporated town of Bayview north and east of Los Fresnos on Resaca de los Cuates. They lived there for about 3 or 4 years. They didn't have alligators as regular guests, but did have one in their yard one time. Don't know how long he(or she) stuck around, but it was there. It could have taken a wrong turn from Laguna Atascosa Wildlife Preserve or left the preserve to find water. From their place to the preserve is about 11+ miles by road. The same resaca runs into the wildlife preserve. While alligators in this area may not be common occurrences, they do exist. Terry Parsons >> REPLY: The kayak is for lakes, ponds, and streams once i get to AZ >> (primarily). Plus i read there are alligators in southern Texas -- i [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You must be referring to areas north of here. Looks like theres alligators in east Texas, southeast Texas , and south Texas : Alligators in Texas - Google Search Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Alligators+in+Texas Thats good enough for me ; if i kayak in Texas it will be on dry land ! > REPLY: The kayak is for lakes, ponds, and streams once i get to AZ > (primarily). Haven't you read about the deadly amoebas that enter through your nose and eat away your brain. They have been found in Lake Havasu which is in Arizona. Since southern Arizona is a desert, where are you going to find lakes, ponds and streams other than Lake Havasu and Lake Mead? Janet, puzzled. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life 'Haven't you read about the deadly amoebas that enter through your nose and eat away your brain. They have been found in Lake Havasu which is in Arizona.' REPLY: Seriously ? 'Since southern Arizona is a desert, where are you going to find lakes, ponds and streams other than Lake Havasu and Lake Mead? Janet, puzzled.' REPLY: Theres good sized Ponds and small Lakes at various State Parks in southern Az . such as Pagadonia State Park and a couple of others according to the AZ. State Park brochure they sent me. > 'Haven't you read about the deadly amoebas that enter through your nose > and eat away your brain. They have been found in Lake Havasu which is in > Arizona.' > > REPLY: Seriously ? Seriously. It was in yesterday's paper and on the news late last week. Lake Texoma, on the Texas and Oklahoma border is one place that was named and Lake Havasu was another. Once the amoeba gets in your nose and starts toward the brain there is no stopping it. Death occurs in about 2 weeks. I'd stay out of lakes. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > Seriously. It was in yesterday's paper and on the news late last week. > Lake Texoma, on the Texas and Oklahoma border is one place that was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'd stay out of lakes. It's a bit over blown. There was one kid that died from it last month who had gone swimming in a lake in AZ. They have tested water from where he went and found nothing. It's a very rare critter but seems to get someone somewhere in the country every year from the reports I read. > Since southern Arizona is a desert, where are you going to find lakes, > ponds and streams other than Lake Havasu and Lake Mead? Not all of southern AZ is desert. Theres mountains over 7,000' with a few lakes and streams. Lake Mead is up north anyways!! I do agree with ya, most of the mountain streams and lakes are in northern AZ but RV'ing there in the winter is not advisable. Not unless you have a 4x4 motorhome good in the snow! >Since southern Arizona is a desert, where are you going to find lakes, >ponds and streams other than Lake Havasu and Lake Mead? > >Janet, puzzled. Wouldn't several hundred miles of Colorado River count? Jon Signature==================================================== Jon Griffin Yuma,AZ Olds, AB http://www.ravingidiots.net ==================================================== >> Since southern Arizona is a desert, where are you going to find lakes, >> ponds and streams other than Lake Havasu and Lake Mead? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jon The Colorado is a River not a stream. I think of a stream as something much smaller, Jon. FWIW, I don't think Dave has much of a clue about US Geography and next winter will be highly educational for him. I am reminded of our first year of full timing when we had made reservations at a Thousand Trails campground in Julian, CA. We figured it was close to Hemet and San Diego so it would be a nice place to spend a few weeks in winter. Little did we know that it was several thousand feet above sea level and would be freezing cold. Once we were made aware of the climate, we canceled the reservation. Having kayaked quite a bit on eastern rivers and sea coasts, I wouldn't go anywhere in an inflatable kayak except for a farm pond or a large swimming pool, but to each his own. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life 'I don't think Dave has much of a clue about US Geography and next winter will be highly educational for him.' REPLY: Ill have to agree with you there Janet ; but im looking forward to learning :) 'Having kayaked quite a bit on eastern rivers and sea coasts, I wouldn't go anywhere in an inflatable kayak except for a farm pond or a large swimming pool, but to each his own.' REPLY: Ill be using it almost exclusively for excerise only, when at a State Park or CG this winter in the southwest . I opted for a good inflatable Kayak instead of a hardshell for its size convenience when deflated (2'x2'x2') and its weight (26 lbs). I think it will be fun for exploring purposes, but, mostly i want it to loosen up the neck and shoulder muscles. > 'I don't think Dave has much of a clue Correct. > about US Geography and next > winter will be highly educational for him.' > > REPLY: Ill have to agree with you there Janet ; but im looking > forward to learning :) That'll be a first! 'Warning to potential teacher: Educating DaveinLakeVilla is harder than diamond! > 'Having kayaked quite a bit on eastern rivers and sea coasts, I > wouldn't go anywhere in an inflatable kayak except for a farm pond or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > good inflatable Kayak instead of a hardshell for its size convenience > when deflated (2'x2'x2') and its weight (26 lbs). Did you get fed up with the inflatable sheep? > I think it will be > fun for exploring purposes, but, mostly i want it to loosen up the > neck and shoulder muscles. Is that the new gay code for giving head? > REPLY: Ill be using it almost exclusively for excerise only, when at a > State Park or CG this winter in the southwest . I opted for a good > inflatable Kayak instead of a hardshell for its size convenience when > deflated (2'x2'x2') and its weight (26 lbs). I think it will be fun for > exploring purposes, but, mostly i want it to loosen up the neck and > shoulder muscles. Yoga works for that. Just get a DVD or tape. If you don't have a player, get a little book. It can be done inside an RV with ease. (I did it)It's something that isn't dependent on the weather. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> REPLY: Ill be using it almost exclusively for excerise only, when at a >> State Park or CG this winter in the southwest . I opted for a good [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > get a little book. It can be done inside an RV with ease. (I did it)It's > something that isn't dependent on the weather. I prefer good old fashioned marital relations, whether or not you are married!! 'I prefer good old fashioned marital relations, whether or not you are married!!' REPLY: Would you consider yourself a Sexual Hedonist then ? > 'I prefer good old fashioned marital relations, whether or not you are > married!!' > > REPLY: Would you consider yourself a Sexual Hedonist then ? Why don't you mind your own business you sex-obsessed weirdo? >>> Since southern Arizona is a desert, where are you going to find >>> lakes, ponds and streams other than Lake Havasu and Lake Mead? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > something > much smaller, Jon. The Colorado through AZ has several lakes, Lake Meade being the largest, and I've caught lots of fish out of several of these lakes. I've also had good catches just below the dams. I have yet to eat any of them though!! There are many campgrounds right on the lakes and rivers. BTW, in places, the Colorado River is more like a creek than a river!! Tom J > BTW, in places, the Colorado River is more like a creek than > a river!! Not along AZ really. There are some marsh areas where the river fans out in several directions forming dozens of streams but they are still navigable by small watercraft. I consider a creek something that is too small to even kayak. The Black River East/West forks (River by name only) in eastern AZ is an example. snipped > I consider a creek something that is too small to even kayak. The Black > River East/West forks (River by name only) in eastern AZ is an example. That would be a surprise to the kayakers who paddle up and down 9 Mile Creek in Onondaga County, New York. Hugh > snipped >> I consider a creek something that is too small to even kayak. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That would be a surprise to the kayakers who paddle up and down 9 Mile > Creek in Onondaga County, New York. Names are misleading and mis-used. To me if it is navigable by any watercraft then it's not a creek! >> snipped >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Names are misleading and mis-used. To me if it is navigable by any > watercraft then it's not a creek! Well, here in the U.S. plus Canada and Australia, creek is defined as a stream smaller than a river. Hugh > Well, here in the U.S. plus Canada and Australia, creek is defined as a > stream smaller than a river. lol, well that explains a lot!! I define a river as something navigable. A stream being smaller and possibly navigable in the rainy season. A creek not navigable. The use of the terms seems to vary widely. In Arizona there are dry washes that flow only when it rains and are named 'River'. I've heard in other states there are 'creeks' that are bigger than the Colorado River. >> REPLY: The kayak is for lakes, ponds, and streams once i get to AZ >> (primarily). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Janet, puzzled. Havasu is also "in" California. BTW, we were in Corpus and saw Alligators (or croks) near the campground. Cute pets. > do the string of National Observatorys in far southern NM , If you are doing observatories, a don't miss is the Davis Observatory in the Davis Mountains of Texas. There is a star party every night (free) and during the day you can take a tour of the observatory on top of the mountain. They will show you the huge mirror. Lots of looking through telescopes. Warning: It will be colder at those observatories in the winter than it is in Illinois. I would definitely suggest that you save them for a summer trip. They are very high in elevation. We were at the Davis one in May and we almost froze at the star party. I would Google the weather for the New Mexico areas before formalizing your plans. It appears that you think the entire Southwest will be summer-like but you haven't factored in the elevations. Holding tanks do freeze and staying warm costs lots of propane. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life 'If you are doing observatories, a don't miss is the Davis Observatory in the Davis Mountains of Texas. There is a star party every night (free) and during the day you can take a tour of the observatory on top of the mountain. They will show you the huge mirror. Lots of looking through telescopes. Warning: It will be colder at those observatories in the winter than it is in Illinois. I would definitely suggest that you save them for a summer trip. They are very high in elevation. We were at the Davis one in May and we almost froze at the star party. I would Google the weather for the New Mexico areas before formalizing your plans. It appears that you think the entire Southwest will be summer-like but you haven't factored in the elevations.' REPLY: Ill look into Davis and its specific location. Im bringing a winter coat, hat and gloves along. Ive lived in Canada where it routinely gets to -30 f. so, i can take cold pretty well. Its the high heat and humidity which is a bear for me. 'Holding tanks do freeze and staying warm costs lots of propane.' REPLY: On my RV, i have these tank heaters ; dont know what kind of heaters they are..but, im hoping they will be effective in case i encounter temps in the 20's temporarily. > Quartsite i want to see and stay at because ive heard its like the > Meca for snowbirds ; but dont know how much I can take of feeling > cramped amongst thousands of RVers. No problem; you can stay in a park or on BLM land. How many RVers are near you depends on where you are. If you are in Q during the RV show it is crowed anywhere near town ( we tend to leave town then ). If you are in some areas outside of town the nearest RV may be a mile or more away, There is lots to see in the desert. You can wear your camera out in the southwest. There are flea markets everywhere. > I enjoy a variety of things but especially : Photography, visiting > scenic wonders, some Flea Marketing, music, kayaking in this new > inflatable i just got, cycling, pistol shooting, astronomy, > reading, seafood restaurant buffets, church activities. Generally you should be able to do most of this stuff. Kayaking is gonna be a problem. Not much water in the desert. There are jam sessions all the time. Most restaurants in the area are very casual and not high end but fun. Yuma is 85 miles away, Phoenix 125 and Lake Havasu about 85. Q is what you make it .. with your varied interests you should be able to keep busy. We have a ball people watching if nothing else. If we are there when you get there we can give you a tour. Just send me an Email ( remove dashes ) and I will send you contact info. Same as you we wanted to see what Q was about and ended up with so many friends there that we go back every year. You will either love or hate it there but at least you will know... and can say BTDT. SignatureJim & Barb - Not all those who wander are lost 'No problem; you can stay in a park or on BLM land. How many RVers are near you depends on where you are. If you are in Q during the RV show it is crowed anywhere near town ( we tend to leave town then ). If you are in some areas outside of town the nearest RV may be a mile or more away,' REPLY: If i understand the BLM program for long term RVers, The $140 season fee lets me stay at any BLM site in the state...correct ? Ill check out Q since ive seen a video on it, but, dont think ill stay much beyond 2 days. 'If we are there when you get there we can give you a tour. Just send me an Email ( remove dashes ) and I will send you contact info.' REPLY: Im leaning toward a LapTop, so, i just might take you up on this Jim. Thanks alot. > agenda (which can be added to) : Leave Northern Illinois on Nov. 1 and > head to Cincinnati area to see the new Creation Museum Don't forget Cincy's Museum Center in Union Terminal for a reality check. >> agenda (which can be added to) : Leave Northern Illinois on Nov. 1 and >> head to Cincinnati area to see the new Creation Museum > > Don't forget Cincy's Museum Center in Union Terminal for a reality check. http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/natural_history/default.asp 'http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/natural_history/default.asp' REPLY: I got enough of this psuedo science in high school and college ; I used to believe in Molecules to Man until i looked at the enormous complexity of the Human Body , DNA , et al... and around 1986 I concluded that i just dont have enough 'faith' to be a Secular Humanist. > 'http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/natural_history/default.asp' > > REPLY: I got enough of this psuedo science in high school and college ; > I used to believe in Molecules to Man until i looked at the enormous > complexity of the Human Body , DNA , et al... and around 1986 I > concluded that i just dont have enough 'faith' to be a Secular Humanist. It does take a bit of effort to educate yourself properly. A simple act of "faith" can wipe out all that geologic timeline stuff and you don't have to memorize all those hard to pronounce dinosaur and era names. "God did it one week" covers a whole lot of bother. Dave, here is a hint. Man is made from molecules just like rocks. > > 'http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/natural_history/default.... > > > REPLY: I got enough of this psuedo science in high school and college ; > > I used to believe in Molecules to Man until i looked at the enormous > > complexity of the Human Body , DNA , et al... and around 1986 I > > concluded that i just dont have enough 'faith' to be a Secular Humanist. And you don't have enough intelligence to even make it up to the sub- idiot level > It does take a bit of effort to educate yourself properly. A simple act of > "faith" can wipe out all that geologic timeline stuff and you don't have to > memorize all those hard to pronounce dinosaur and era names. "God did it > one week" covers a whole lot of bother. > > Dave, here is a hint. Man is made from molecules just like rocks. I remember an episode of "The Simpson's" when Lisa complained that she flunked the "New Science Test" because every answer was: "Dog did it" Dave is way too stupid to have ever attended college, (unless it was the same bible college that the convicted felon Dr Dino attended) He can't spell, punctuate, and thinks two plus two = a snot bogger > 'http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/natural_history/default.asp' > > REPLY: I got enough of this psuedo science in high school and college ; > I used to believe in Molecules to Man until i looked at the enormous > complexity of the Human Body , DNA , et al... and around 1986 I > concluded that i just dont have enough 'faith' to be a Secular Humanist. So now you just bury your head and fold your hands and thank someone else because you are here, because that someone had nothing better to do than make humans to play with. LOL 'So now you just bury your head and fold your hands and thank someone else because you are here, because that someone had nothing better to do than make humans to play with. LOL' REPLY: Mr. Lee, Dont know how old you are, but, I think its time you stopped pretending that there is no personal Creator ; I know you dont honestly believe your personality traits of : Love, compassion, intuition, abstract thinking, moral oughtness, understanding ethics , etc...ultimately came willy-nilly from NON-personality (rocks, dirt, and hydrogen gas). Based on your last post of announcing you engage in sexual immorality as a lifestyle, it would appear that you cant afford for a personal Creator to be real. Nevertheless, he certainly is and has to be . Could you please consider another justification for your lifestyle , other than wanting to reject the Creator because he would be a fly in your ointment of fun ?? Thanks. > 'So now you just bury your head and fold your hands and thank someone > else because you are here, because that someone had nothing better to > do than make humans to play with. LOL' > > REPLY: Mr. Lee, Dont know how old you are, but, I think its time > you stopped pretending that there is no personal Creator ; Mr Brown; we do know exactly how old you are; and it's about time you grew up to that age mentally too. > I know > you dont honestly believe your personality traits of : Love, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it would appear that you cant afford for a personal Creator to be > real. Why? > Nevertheless, he certainly is and has to be In that case either prove it or shut the f.ck up. > . Could you please > consider another justification for your lifestyle , other than > wanting to reject the Creator because he would be a fly in your > ointment of fun ?? Thanks. Go f.ck yourself with a hedge trimmer Dimwit. On Oct 7, 7:51 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote: > 'So now you just bury your head and fold your hands and thank someone > else because you are here, because that someone had nothing better to do > than make humans to play with. LOL' > > REPLY: Mr. Lee, Dont know how old you are, but, I think its <snipped by Dumpbs.exe> And Dave should stop pretending that he's "normal" and accept therapy to cure his religious delusions Just more bullcrap from webtv's most annoying brainwashed creationist hypocritical fundy idiot. Notice how he IMEDIATELY blames your lifestyle and starts putting words in your mouth? BUT he himself is an admitted homosexual, divorced his wife, aborted his kid, is SOOOO afraid of sex he brags about not having any for 20+years, yet he still thinks he's SOOOO much better than everyone else.. Dave's an a.shole > Quartsite i want to see and stay at because ive heard its like > the Meca for snowbirds ; You want to go in the winter. I stopped at Quartzite one July. At 9:00PM it was still 115F, and, as Miles said, nobody there and nothing going on. -Raf SignatureMisifus- Rafael Seibert mailto:rafseibert@suddenlink.net blog: http://rafsrincon.blogspot.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii home: http://www.rafandsioux.com Ill be there in Dec. No rattlesnakes either. How about a clue about what you find interesting and what you find unpleasant. We spend the winter in the Quartzsite area because of the people we know there but it is a make your own entertainment area. Most of the southwest is what you make it and has almost anything you want within and easy commute. Some people have strong opinions about various areas but the best thing is to wander around and form your own. SignatureJim & Barb - Not all those who wander are lost |
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