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Tom J - 05 Oct 2007 18:26 GMT
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm

From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false
email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.

Tom J
Ken - 05 Oct 2007 19:07 GMT
> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>
> From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false
> email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.
>
> Tom J

Recently updated the land line # with the "don't call me" list as the
block will expire next year.
Time sure goes by fast!
Dave in Lake Villa - 05 Oct 2007 23:59 GMT
'flakey714@aol.com (Ken)
On Oct 5, 10:26 am, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false email
and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.
Tom J
Recently updated the land line # with the "don't call me" list as the
block will expire next year.
Time sure goes by fast!'

REPLY:

Too bad they dont have something to prevent daily Internet Stalkers from
trying to cause dissension because they wish to pretend that God isnt.
Dr.H@l0nf1r£$ - 06 Oct 2007 02:07 GMT
> 'flakey714@aol.com (Ken)
> On Oct 5, 10:26 am, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> from trying to cause dissension because they wish to pretend that God
> isnt.

Which god isn't what?

It's too bad they don't have compulsory detention in a psychiatric unit for
trolling mentally-ill fundy religious-addicts with a sexual fascination. -
If they did you'd be learning morse-code and banging out your message on the
pipes from a secure cell.
Ken - 06 Oct 2007 02:12 GMT
On Oct 5, 6:07 pm, "Dr.H@l0nf1r?$"
<sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> It's too bad they don't have compulsory detention in a psychiatric unit for
> trolling mentally-ill fundy religious-addicts with a sexual fascination. -
> If they did you'd be learning morse-code and banging out your message on the
> pipes from a secure cell.

Ya beats mes 2 it!
Lone Haranguer - 06 Oct 2007 00:44 GMT
>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> block will expire next year.
> Time sure goes by fast!

You can't beat the American Lung Assn for being quick on the draw.

My phone was connected about 20 minutes when I got a call from them.

The number is still on the "do not call" list.
LZ
Ken - 06 Oct 2007 02:18 GMT
> You can't beat the American Lung Assn for being quick on the draw.

Was it Pammie Anderson calling for them?
She has a nice pair of "lungs"

> My phone was connected about 20 minutes when I got a call from them.
>
> The number is still on the "do not call" list.
> LZ

You will need to redo your landline # as, after 5 years, the block
expires

www.donotcall.gov
Lone Haranguer - 06 Oct 2007 03:59 GMT
>> You can't beat the American Lung Assn for being quick on the draw.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> www.donotcall.gov

I just listed it a year ago.
LZ
Hugh - 07 Oct 2007 03:44 GMT
>>> You can't beat the American Lung Assn for being quick on the draw.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I just listed it a year ago.
> LZ

They probably are a charitable organization and are exempt from the list.
Hugh
Ralph E Lindberg - 06 Oct 2007 15:13 GMT
> >> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> The number is still on the "do not call" list.
> LZ

Doesn't apply to charities, political groups and firms you already have
done business with

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Lone Haranguer - 06 Oct 2007 17:08 GMT
>>>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Doesn't apply to charities, political groups and firms you already have
> done business with

But those are the biggest trouble makers...
LZ
Ralph E Lindberg - 07 Oct 2007 15:37 GMT
> >>>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
> >>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> But those are the biggest trouble makers...
> LZ

Ah, I know...

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NotMe - 06 Oct 2007 21:28 GMT
"Ralph E Lindberg"

| > You can't beat the American Lung Assn for being quick on the draw.
| >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
| Doesn't apply to charities, political groups and firms you already have
| done business with

Our checks have a note to the effedt 'DO NOT TELEMARKET" which makes it a
bit hard to claim they were not notified.
JerryD(upstateNY) - 06 Oct 2007 00:47 GMT
Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
phones.<<<<<<<<<<<

This has been going around quite a bit lately. And it is FALSE.  You DO
NOT have to register your Cell Phone numbers. Click on the URL below:

         http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp

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Robert Bonomi - 06 Oct 2007 01:36 GMT
>Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
>false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
>phones.<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>This has been going around quite a bit lately. And it is FALSE.  You DO
>NOT have to register your Cell Phone numbers. Click on the URL below:

You might want to _read_ the material before claiming it is false.  the
FTC  page tom cited says:
 "In addition, it is not necessary to register cell phone numbers on
  the DNC Registry to be protected from most telemarketing calls to
  cell phones."

The FTC _is_, in fact a *MUCH*MORE*RELIABLE* source than Snopes, on such
matters.  They are, after all the agency that makes and enforces  the
actual rules.
Bob V - 06 Oct 2007 02:03 GMT
: >Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
: >false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
: matters.  They are, after all the agency that makes and enforces  the
: actual rules.

DNC could stand for Democratic National Committee, so no need for Jerry to
click on the link.  It's automatically false :-)
Jerry - 06 Oct 2007 04:16 GMT
>>Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
>>false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> matters.  They are, after all the agency that makes and enforces  the
> actual rules.

Am I missing something here, isn't the FTC statement the same as what was
said at the snopes site?  "You DO NOT have to register your Cell Phone
Number" sounds about the same as "In addition, it is not necessary to
register cell phone numbers".
Robert Bonomi - 06 Oct 2007 19:46 GMT
>>>Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
>>>false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>Number" sounds about the same as "In addition, it is not necessary to
>register cell phone numbers".

Yeah jerry you -are- missing something.

Tom posted the FTC site link.

You said 'It is false",  and proclaimed "you  DO NOT have to register...."
citing snopes as authority.

FTC says 'you don't have to register'
You chime in "it is false....  see snopes.'

It's hard to read that as anything -other- than *disagreeing* with what
the prior poster and/or his  cited soures say.

You then preach the "correct gospel" with *exactly* the same information as
what Tom posted.

Obvously, you didn't bother to check to see what the posted link said --
you *knew* it was wrong, and jumped in to 'correct' the error.

Then there's the 'minor matter' of using a secondary source to 'correct'
the primary authhority.

OTOH. maybe it was a mechanical problem with your computer.
If you take it in for service, and they report "loose nut on
keyboard" that would explain it.   *grin*
Jerry - 06 Oct 2007 23:19 GMT
>>>>Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
>>>>false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> If you take it in for service, and they report "loose nut on
> keyboard" that would explain it.   *grin*

You got your Jerry's mixed up.  I never made the claim that the FTC site in
false, the other Jerry did that.  All I stated was that snopes said you
don't have to register your cell phone and the FTC said you don't have to
register your cell phone.
Robert Bonomi - 07 Oct 2007 21:34 GMT
>You got your Jerry's mixed up.  I never made the claim that the FTC site in
>false, the other Jerry did that.  

Yup.  My bad.  Sorry, Jerry.
Hugh - 07 Oct 2007 03:48 GMT
>>>>Tom J wrote: From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the
>>>>false email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> If you take it in for service, and they report "loose nut on
> keyboard" that would explain it.   *grin*

If cell phones do not need to be on the list then why do we get so many
800 calls on our Virgin Mobile phone?
Hugh
Robert Bonomi - 07 Oct 2007 21:54 GMT
>If cell phones do not need to be on the list then why do we get so many
>800 calls on our Virgin Mobile phone?
>Hugh

Listen, just because I _am_ a mind-reader, doesn't mean I can tell why
telemarketers do anything!  To get an answer using my skills would require
the presence of an organ, which they have a demonstrated lack thereof.

The likely answers, are, however;
 1) 'user error', you have a land-line that is call-forwarded to your cell.
    and the marketers are calling the land-line.
 2) stupidity,  they don't know calling cell phones is illegal.
 3) inadequate research --they don't know  it's a cell number.
     this can happen with 'dumb' operations that filter only known
     'cellular only' prefixes out of their calling.  which fails to
     catch:
     (a) land-line numbers that have been 'ported' to cellular,
     (b) small-block allocations of numbers to a cellular provider,
     mixed with non-cellular use in the same prefix.
     'B' tends to happen when you have alternate land-line providers _and_
     smaller cell providers getting blocks in the same exchange.

Note; it doesn't matter whether it's deliberate, or due to oversight. You can
sue (frequently in small-claims court) for $500 per call.  *GIVEN* that #1
does _not_ apply, that is.  :)


IF one -is- getting significant numbers of marketing calls to a cell phone.
putting the number on the  Do Not Call list *will* probably significantly
reduce the calls.  FTC is more aggressive about going after marketeers that
don't screen against the DNC than the FCC is about not screening out cell
numbers.
Bill - 06 Oct 2007 14:20 GMT
I wish it was a false rumor.
I had to change my cell number from all the telemarketers calling my cell
phone.
I have already received several on the new number too..

> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>
> From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false email
> and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.
>
> Tom J
Ralph E Lindberg - 06 Oct 2007 15:11 GMT
> I wish it was a false rumor.
> I had to change my cell number from all the telemarketers calling my cell
> phone.
> I have already received several on the new number too..

 I added my cell phone to the list, it helped (I've stopped receiving
almost all telemarket calls)

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Bill - 06 Oct 2007 16:58 GMT
My cell number was on the DoNotCallList...
So is my new one..

>> I wish it was a false rumor.
>> I had to change my cell number from all the telemarketers calling my cell
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  I added my cell phone to the list, it helped (I've stopped receiving
> almost all telemarket calls)
Robert Bonomi - 06 Oct 2007 19:48 GMT
>I wish it was a false rumor.
>I had to change my cell number from all the telemarketers calling my cell
>phone.
>I have already received several on the new number too..

Those calls are worth a minimum of $500 each to you, if you can find out _who_
the calling company is.  

>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>>
>> From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false email
>> and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.
>>
>> Tom J
Bill - 06 Oct 2007 21:59 GMT
>>I wish it was a false rumor.
>>I had to change my cell number from all the telemarketers calling my cell
>>phone.
>>I have already received several on the new number too..

> Those calls are worth a minimum of $500 each to you, if you can find out
> _who_
> the calling company is.

I have the numbers in my cell saved so they do not ring.
I only see the missed call from them.
I have three programed that way.
$500 huh....

>>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>>>
>>> From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false email
>>> and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.
>>>
>>> Tom J
Dean - 06 Oct 2007 23:49 GMT
Wife and I both have cell numbers.  Same numbers for 8-9 years or
more.  I have had 4-5 calls from companies we have had prior dealings
with.  No others,... ever.

roamer

>I wish it was a false rumor.
>I had to change my cell number from all the telemarketers calling my cell
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
>> Tom J
rvfulltime - 06 Oct 2007 19:45 GMT
>http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>
>From the Federal trade commission. This should clear up the false
>email and newsgroup postings about telemarketers calling cell phones.
>
>Tom J

Well someone should tell all the "charities" about this, as I've
received hundreds of calls from them since I got me cell phone 3
years ago.  The "charity" telemarketers are just as bad as the
commerical telemarketers.

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Frank Tabor - 06 Oct 2007 19:53 GMT
>>http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>years ago.  The "charity" telemarketers are just as bad as the
>commerical telemarketers.

If I'm not mistaken the ruling only says that they can't use an
automatic dialer to call cell phones.  And charities are not required
to use the do not call list.  
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Peter Pan - 07 Oct 2007 02:44 GMT
>>> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/02/dnccellphones.shtm
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> automatic dialer to call cell phones.  And charities are not required
> to use the do not call list.

Just out of curiosity, did you port your landline number to your cellphone?
Some places call all the numbers in an exchange, so how do they know if it
is still a landline or now ported to a cellphone? Come to think of it, if
you don't  add whatever ported number you have on the cell phone, how would
you ever be on the do not call list?  (ie they say you don't need to add
your cell phone number to the DNC list, but what if your cellphone has a
number ported from a landline?.... seems to me, better be safe than sorry,
and regardless of what the sites say, just add it...)
GBinNC - 06 Oct 2007 21:20 GMT
>Well someone should tell all the "charities" about this, as I've
>received hundreds of calls from them since I got me cell phone 3
>years ago.  

I wonder why. I mean, seriously. I've had cell phones since '87 (same
number all that time, in fact), and I've never had a single
telemarketing call on one. I put my number on the "Do not call" list,
but that was only a couple of years ago.

>The "charity" telemarketers are just as bad as the
>commerical telemarketers.

Or worse.

A few years ago I had a brief look at the inside of a firm that did
contract "charity" telemarketing. (I was doing computer work for them.)
What a racket.

Their current project was to promote a small one-day "circus" that was
coming through town and being sponsored by some local fraternal
organization.

Their workers would call businesses, saying "I'm down here at the local
[organization], and we're trying to help underprivileged children."
They'd give their spiel and persuade them (with some pressure) to donate
enough money for a certain number of circus tickets to be given to
"underprivileged children." The firm would agree, and they would
immediately dispatch a "delivery person" to go and pick up the check
(before they changed their mind, probably).

They actually did mail a stack of free tickets to every "underprivileged
children's" agency they could find, in the name of the sponsoring
organization. But few of the agencies were able to use them for whatever
reason (including, I would imagine, simple logistics).

Didn't matter to the circus folks, I imagine. The seats were bought and
paid for, whether or not anybody sat in them. The owner of the
contracting firm kept a significant percentage of the take, for
"administrative expenses." (She turned out to be a real sleazeball in
dealing with me, too, but that's another story.)

The thing that impressed me the most (negatively, that is) was the
quality of the characters they had doing the calling from their "boiler
room." Most of them looked like they had been "rode hard and put up wet"
and this was the final step before permanent unemployment and
homelessness. I'm glad they were working and earning money, but that's
about all I can say. They were some rough-looking people -- what they
had in common was that they had great phone voices and they could read
and follow a script.

The callers of course had no connection at all to the organization they
were "representing" -- although the carefully scripted tone of the call
was that they she/he was an actual member of the group and just helping
out by making a few phone calls.

And the company they worked for had no relationship with the charity
either, other than a contract to raise a certain amount of money for
them by using the charity's name in whatever scheme she could make work
under the circumstances.

Sure, the organizations in deals like this get some money they wouldn't
have had otherwise, but I don't think they realize how many people they
piss off in the process. Especially if they're calling people on their
cell phones.

GB in NC
 
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