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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2007

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Toad setup advice

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Jeff Dieterle - 09 Oct 2007 11:23 GMT
I've got a 97 Gulfstream I need to add a receiver to. Looks like they bolt
into the frame rail extensions. I haven't crawled under the chassis yet to
examine the welds between the existing frame and the added channel, but
assuming these are good quality welds is that all that's involved for a
receiver?
I want to tow a 98 Wrangler but eventually will trade it for a compact
pickup so I don't really want to drop several hundred bucks on a tow bar
mount that I'll most like be stuck with when I get rid of the Wrangler. Does
anybody have experience with removing the bumper and creating they're own
tow bar mounting?
JerryD(upstateNY) - 09 Oct 2007 13:39 GMT
I've got a 97 Gulfstream I need to add a receiver to....... assuming these
are good quality welds is that all that's involved for a  receiver?
Does  anybody have experience with removing the bumper and creating they're
own  tow bar mountin?<<<<<<<<<

The receiver on the Gulfstream will more than likely have to be fabricated
because I doubt someone has a receiver sitting on a shelf that would fit.
You will need a tow bar so when you buy one, see if you can get a mount for
the Wrangler with it.
Then look in the yellow pages for a welding shop that fabricates/installs
hitches.
Take both vehicles there and have them install whatever is necessary.
Any competent welding shop will make sure the welds on the added channel are
sufficient.
Unless you are a welder, trying to do it yourself would be foolish.

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Matt Colie - 09 Oct 2007 16:16 GMT
Jeff,
If you look at the Roadmaster towbars, many and particularly the fold up
one (mine is older and I don't remember the new model) have or can be
fit to quick connects that can be bolted to a Jeep front bumper - if it
still has one under the plastic.

If you have welding equipment handy, making your own tow hardware is not
too tough.   What is great is that there are three manufactures with
good websites (Roadmaster, Blue Ox and Demco (sorry no links handy).  If
you search these you can often deduce from their pictures/instructions
how their brackets/baseplate are constructed.

Roadmaster has a good collection of brackets to later mount that tow bar
on what ever you choose (except in my most recent case where the catalog
part didn't actually fit).

And think about brakes......
Many states now require a brake away feature.

Matt Colie

> I've got a 97 Gulfstream I need to add a receiver to. Looks like they bolt
> into the frame rail extensions. I haven't crawled under the chassis yet to
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> anybody have experience with removing the bumper and creating they're own
> tow bar mounting?
Steve - 10 Oct 2007 01:57 GMT
You will have to get a "universal" receiver that will expand to match the
spacing of the frame rails. Then just bolt or weld it on (that's all they do
at the factory).  I know Reese make a universal, and I'm sure most of the
usual suspects do too.

Steve

> I've got a 97 Gulfstream I need to add a receiver to. Looks like they bolt
> into the frame rail extensions. I haven't crawled under the chassis yet to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Does anybody have experience with removing the bumper and creating they're
> own tow bar mounting?
Jeff Dieterle - 10 Oct 2007 11:24 GMT
Ya I've goggled and found the universal receiver that as you say expand to
match the frame rail spacing. I was concerned about adding that extra load
to the extended chassis rails and wondering if anything was done to beef
that up.
Somebody mentioned some states require a supplemental braking system. Does
anybody know where I can find a list of those states so I can research their
requirements.

> You will have to get a "universal" receiver that will expand to match the
> spacing of the frame rails. Then just bolt or weld it on (that's all they
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>> Does anybody have experience with removing the bumper and creating
>> they're own tow bar mounting?
JerryD(upstateNY) - 10 Oct 2007 15:03 GMT
Jeff Dieterle wrote:... Somebody mentioned some states require a
supplemental braking system.  Does anybody know where I can find a list of
those states so I can research their requirements.<<<<

It isn't safe to tow a toad without brakes, so even if your state doesn't
require them, it would be foolish to tow without them.

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Matt Colie - 10 Oct 2007 15:21 GMT
Jeff,
Start with <http://www.hitchfinder.com/towbars/laws.html>
If you still find this somewhat confusing, join the club.....
As this site states, many states do not have clear rules about toads and
MAY default to the trailer rules.
Also watch out for both the hidden "break-away" rules and the fact that
the local authority may read the toad GVW as the weight and this puts
almost everything over 3000lbs.   BTDT
Matt

> Ya I've goggled and found the universal receiver that as you say expand to
> match the frame rail spacing. I was concerned about adding that extra load
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> anybody know where I can find a list of those states so I can research their
> requirements.
Jon Griffin - 10 Oct 2007 15:24 GMT
>Somebody mentioned some states require a supplemental braking system. Does
>anybody know where I can find a list of those states so I can research their
>requirements.

http://www.brakebuddy.com/Towing-Laws

Having driven both with and without toad brakes I feel it isn't all
that unsafe to drive without.  However I wouldn't drive a foot in the
mountains without.  Plus I wouldn't drive without in a state that
requires them.  I imagine the other guy's attorney would have a field
day if you were ever in an accident.

Jon

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Bob V - 10 Oct 2007 15:32 GMT
: : Somebody mentioned some states require a supplemental braking system.
Does
: anybody know where I can find a list of those states so I can research their
: requirements.

Here's a link to state by state requirements, but like Jerry said, it's
foolish to not use a supplemental brake system even if not required by the
state you're in.
http://www.campinglife.com/output.cfm?id=1047259

Bob
Jeff Dieterle - 11 Oct 2007 10:59 GMT
Thanks for the link. It looks like I need to do some research on
supplemental braking

> : : Somebody mentioned some states require a supplemental braking system.
> Does
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>
> Bob
 
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