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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2007Has anyone found a good antennae for FM Radio reception (in the Coach)
I have a packaged entertainment unit consisting of am/fm radio, audio tape , and CD player. I cant get a good reception on FM Radio .. even by placing the cheap antennae which came with the unit, by a window in the Coach. Ive gone to Radio Shack and Walmart, and neither have anything better. Have you found something that works very well inside your Coach ? Thanks. > I have a packaged entertainment unit consisting of am/fm radio, audio > tape , and CD player. I cant get a good reception on FM Radio .. even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks. I tapped into the crank up TV antenna and ran a piece of RG6 coax to the receiver. Reception is great even with the antenna down while traveling. I just put a splitter in between the outlet and the front TV and ran the wire down the windshield pillar to the in-dash radio and another to the overhead compartment with the home theater receiver in it. Both work great.  SignatureMatt Delete nospam for email "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" ";I tapped into the crank up TV antenna and ran a piece of RG6 coax to the receiver. Reception is great even with the antenna down while traveling.;'' REPLY: I didnt know you get away with using the crankup TV antennae for FM radio : thanks, ill investigate it . > ";I tapped into the crank up TV antenna and ran a piece of RG6 coax to > the receiver. Reception is great even with the antenna down while > traveling.;'' > > REPLY: I didnt know you get away with using the crankup TV antennae > for FM radio : thanks, ill investigate it . An UHF TV antenna consists of a dipole aerial exactly the same as a VHF TV or radio antenna does. : The only difference is that a purpose-built multiband VHF dipole is larger and has larger reflector struts attached to the aerial body due to the larger bandwidth of the lower frequency RF signal that it recieves. For a multiband modulated envelope signal such as VHF TV a UHF antenna would be too small to pick up all the nescessary information encoded into the signal as it would be incapable of the nescessary electrical reactance with a VHF multibandpass inc.sideband tuner unit and therefore would pick up an incomplete signal. However when recieving a frequency-modulated sigle - carrier VHF transmission only; such as that associated with VHF *radio*, a UHF TV aerial can be extremely effective at picking up almost the entire carrier-wave with negligible waveform-clipping at the extremities of peaks and troughs; which is attenuated by the reactance of the single bandpass filter inside the reciever. : - So in short YES, a (UHF) TV antenna can double as an FM radio antenna quite well. A VHF TV antenna; if they still exist, will be even more effective. - A VHF antenna can never double as a decent UHF TV antenna though, as it will pick up far too much distortion and interference along with any UHF signal. So if you wanted a technical explanation; there it is. :) (In as layman-ish terms as I can put it.) >> ";I tapped into the crank up TV antenna and ran a piece of RG6 coax to >> the receiver. Reception is great even with the antenna down while [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > An UHF TV antenna consists of a dipole aerial exactly the same as a VHF TV > or radio antenna does. It is not a dipole antenna, it would work on one band only. : The only difference is that a purpose-built > multiband VHF dipole is larger and has larger reflector struts attached to > the aerial body due to the larger bandwidth of the lower frequency RF > signal that it recieves. The reflector elements make it a Yagi-Uda antenna and do not increase the bandwidth. Element diameter affects bandwidth. A log periodic antenna which looks like a Yagi_uda has wide bandwidth. For a multiband modulated envelope signal such as VHF TV a > UHF antenna would be too small to pick up all the nescessary information > encoded into the signal as it would be incapable of the nescessary > electrical reactance with a VHF multibandpass inc.sideband tuner unit and > therefore would pick up an incomplete signal. The tv signal is vestigal sideband which is incomplete. Size has nothing to do with bandwidth of an antenna. The reactance has little to do with antenna performance. It is radiation resistance that matters. However when recieving a > frequency-modulated sigle - carrier VHF transmission only; such as that > associated with VHF *radio*, a UHF TV aerial can be extremely effective at > picking up almost the entire carrier-wave with negligible > waveform-clipping at the extremities of peaks and troughs; The peaks and troughs refer to signal amplitude. Antenna bandwidth has nothing to do with this, it has to do with signal deviation. No antenna has a 12th order response to "clip" the deviation of a frequency modulated waveform that exceeds the bandwidth of an antenna. which is attenuated by the > reactance of the single bandpass filter inside the reciever. : Reactance does not attenuate, it can only store and reflect signals. - So in short > YES, a (UHF) TV antenna can double as an FM radio antenna quite well. A > VHF TV antenna; if they still exist, will be even more effective. - A VHF > antenna can never double as a decent UHF TV antenna though, as it will > pick up far too much distortion and interference along with any UHF > signal. So, is distortion and interference transmitted with a tv signal? Where does this distortion and interference come from? Are you talking about multipath signals? A bent up coat hanger with tinfoil on it and properly located makes the best antenna. > So if you wanted a technical explanation; there it is. :) (In as > layman-ish terms as I can put it.) The terms may be laymanish but the concepts are wacko. Give it another try there junior. For good FM reception use a folded dipole antenna. They are cheap at radio shack. >The only difference is that a purpose-built >multiband VHF dipole is larger and has larger reflector struts attached to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >electrical reactance with a VHF multibandpass inc.sideband tuner unit and >therefore would pick up an incomplete signal. What a bunch of bull pucky! The size/length of the elements in the antenna determine the frequecy it resonates and provides the most effect gain. FM brodcast signal bandwidths are very narrow compared to TV broadcasts. All antennas will "hear" outside their designed frequency range, they just will have little or no gain or even what we call negative gain but seem to here well because they are elevated and in freespace so to speak. A TV anntenna is designed to receive from about 54 to 78mhz and 158 to 190 mhz for VHF channels 2 thru 13. FM is from 88 to 108 MHZ and some antennas either include it in their design or can hear there because they are not too far off resonance. UHF starts at 490 MHZ and by around feb 2009 there will be no more VHF or analog TV broadcasts as all digital TV will be between about 490 and 780MHZ and this means that current RV antenna may not would properly unless they support UHF well today and future RV TV antennas designed for digital TV will likely not cover FM anymore because it will be well outside the normal band coverage of the antenna and will require large changes to its size and layout to be able to cover FM and DTV vs with current VHF/UHF designs. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >> The only difference is that a purpose-built >> multiband VHF dipole is larger and has larger reflector struts [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell admittedly. Also there is clearly a difference between American and UK TV antenna. Yes I also admit that my understanding of the concept is incomplete to some extent; I trained as a technician rather than an engineer; the field-servicing course was unavailable at the time I enrolled at college; so I was only given a basic explanation of the concept. There are a few miusunderstandings of my dialogue in the posts above in addition to corrections to any errors I may have made, but I have to concede overall to those better informed. Thanks for clarifying the issue. >I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell . . . A nutshell you say?? I was more inclined to consign it to a pile of pure unadulterated BULLSHIT! >>I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell . . >>. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I was more inclined to consign it to a pile of pure unadulterated > BULLSHIT! I called it. Radio Witchcraft - an example of how and why witchcraft of any sort belongs only in a J.K. Rowling novel where it at least has some entertainment value. In real life, all witchcraft does is make the practitioner even more whacked out than they were when they fell for that load of lies in the first place. Sad how such a "wonderful and personal" religion as Paganism demonstrates itself to be so impotent as evidenced by the rantings of at least one of its followers here. Trying to carry on an intelligent conversation with her is tantamount to addressing a brick wall. Never does she answer a question even when it's put to her at least twice. Never does she explain when an explanation is asked for. Never does she appear much more than some child with an overactive imagination forever going off on a tangent but who claims to be going on to bigger and better things. Fame, riches, respect - she's gonna be somebody people look up to. Well, I don't know about you but you won't see me holding my breath. The first thing she's got to do is take one giant step back into the real world. Its very hard to look up to somebody mired in the depths of depravity. Shad O'Shay >>> I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell . >>> . . [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > into the real world. Its very hard to look up to somebody mired in > the depths of depravity. You're very good at criticising others. : Try the mirror for looking at someone in the depths of depravity. You think that any Pagan should be a top expert in ultra high frequency transmissions and frequency modulated carrier-wave reeception; which you knew absolutely nothing whatsoever about until you heard from someone who was well versed in the field. You're the type of loser who has to put others down to make anyone think that you have any gumption becauseyou have no way of putting yourself up above anyone. For a supposed "Christian" you're about as hypocritical as DILV; and if your god has allegedly remade you in his image then your god is nothing but a fuckwitted piece of excreta to a greater extent than you are showing yourself to be. How dare you sit there criticisizing *my* beliefs when you prove that you can't even live by your own you blithering hypocrite. : You've just enrolled in the DaveinLakeVilla school of ultimate fuckwittery and personality disorder. Why are most morons fundys/Wht are most fundys morons? 'You think that any Pagan should be a top expert in ultra high frequency transmissions and frequency modulated carrier-wave reeception;' REPLY: Since Paganism employs channeling with the Dead on a regular basis , it seems you would have been a top expert in transmissions ; Im sure Shad thought so too ! > 'You think that any Pagan should be a top expert in ultra high > frequency transmissions and frequency modulated carrier-wave [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > basis , it seems you would have been a top expert in transmissions ; > Im sure Shad thought so too ! I think you're getting Paganism and Spiritualism mixed up; although there is a certain amount of overlap between the two. Communication with the dead using a frequency-modulated carrier wave is, I must admit, something I haven't tried. There has been some research into unexplained resonances in the background distortion at lower-frequency amplitude-modulated signals in the 150 to 600 metre band; which when converted to audio frequency and seperated from the hiss, wow and flutter, etc, do distinctly appear to be voices, sometimes intelligible. Also background harmonic distortions and spurious signals above the hiss in hi-gain audio equipment sometimes yield the same result. >>>> I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell . >>>> . . [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Why are most morons fundys/Wht are most fundys morons? Why? It's all in the eye of the beholder, little one. She who views life through a soiled window of self-serving, personal destruction can hardly be expected to have any sort of realistic perspective on the world she sees. You indicated I expected a Pagan to be an expert in radio transmission. Why no, little one! Paganism had nothing to do with it. I just expect anybody who posts, talking like an expert about a topic, to BE an expert on the topic. Blithering and blathering trying to act like an expert while you put somebody down and try to build yourself up (Hmmmm, where've I heard that before?) I might not be an expert in radio wave propagation and reception but I do know enough about the subject to recognize a mountain of dung. So, it makes me wonder if you're really an expert in Paganism. Or are you bullshitting about that, as well? As for criticizing your beliefs, why, no way would I do that. Again you are overly sensitive about your beliefs because, deep down in the dark, dank recesses of your brain there is a nagging of uncorrupted consciousness that can still notice something is awry. Believe what you want to but try to realize when beliefs conflict with reality and when even a brainwashed brain manages to glean some bit of truth about reality not meshing with belief then it stands to reason belief is causing the conflict. One cannot change reality to match belief but one CAN change belief to match reality. Why burden yourself with a belief system that causes conflict with reality? Why? Because you're not really sane. Not completely sane, at least. You can walk the walk and talk the talk of a human being and most people don't notice it's just an act but some of us who are highly evolved and learned and have belief systems based in reality can spot the ruse. It's too bad you got caught up in a religious belief system that does not serve when it comes to your functioning in the reality of this Earth. I've tried to get you to examine a couple pertinent questions that could, if answered honestly, lend perhaps a wee bit of sanity to your perverse beliefs but you refuse to even consider giving the questions a bit of thought. That's the very way brain washing is defined. Cults are very good at brainwashing their members and Pagan Witches are just a cult. A very old cult but a cult nonetheless all the more useless for its anachronism. You and your ilk are like members of the Flat Earth Society. You deny reality. Until you embrace reality you have little chance of ever being happy and fulfilled. As long as you continue to dabble about in an imaginary religion based on magic you are little more than an imaginary character yourself. You sound young to me. Maybe in your early 20's - at least that's how your writing pegs you. You have your whole life in front of you if this should be the actual case. Don't continue to waste it by basing in on fantasy. Successful people must know reality and know that they know it and never forget that life is to be lived in reality. Those who run off into some demented corner and hide are doomed to failure - a self-imposed failure. Think about it. Shad O'Shay >>>>> I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell >>>>> . . . [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > hardly be expected to have any sort of realistic perspective on the > world she sees. You *have* totally lost it haven't you!? > You indicated I expected a Pagan to be an expert in radio > transmission. Why no, little one! Paganism had nothing to do with it. > I just expect anybody who posts, talking like an expert about a > topic, to BE an expert on the topic. I'm far from an expert. As I said earlier I'm basically a trained electronics lab technician with a couple of C&Gs; no more than that. > Blithering and blathering trying > to act like an expert while you put somebody down and try to build [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wonder if you're really an expert in Paganism. Or are you > bullshitting about that, as well? Nobody was bullshitting about anything. : I stated something from my partial knowledge of the subject. : All the "I know it all and I'm male and better than you." people in earshot gathered round shouting "bullshit". A couple of posters who were actually more clued up expanded upon the subject and made some corrections to my percieved rhetoric. If you wish to play childish male supremacy games then that is your perogative. > As for criticizing your beliefs, why, no way would I do that. Again > you are overly sensitive about your beliefs because, deep down in the > dark, dank recesses of your brain there is a nagging of uncorrupted > consciousness that can still notice something is awry. Nothing is awry; rather, I don't have all the answers yet. : All I got from Christianity was mind control and lies. : Paganism has supplied many answers, but every answer opens more questions. : As I said before; the more I know the more I realise how little I know. > Believe what > you want to but try to realize when beliefs conflict with reality and > when even a brainwashed brain manages to glean some bit of truth about > reality not meshing with belief then it stands to reason belief is > causing the conflict. One cannot change reality to match belief but > one CAN change belief to match reality. That comment indicates the extreme lack of depth in your perception. : Belief, in the present tense, shapes reality, in the future tense. - I'm not going to be your teacher though. : If you want to learn the realities of existance though then the last place to look is a Christian chuerch unless you want to hear lies and learn how to fail happily. > Why burden yourself with a > belief system that causes conflict with reality? Reality needs optimizing; Paganism, in its purest entirity, is the ultimate reality, and can and will eventually optimise the reality in which we exist. >Why? Because you're > not really sane. Not completely sane, at least. Define "sanity". > You can walk the walk and talk the talk of a human being and most > people don't notice it's just an act but some of us who are highly > evolved and learned and have belief systems based in reality can spot > the ruse. But you don't. > It's too bad you got caught up in a religious belief system > that does not serve when it comes to your functioning in the reality > of this Earth. The reality of this earth and of all of existance is so far beyond your limited understanding that you'd need another lifetime to be properly deprogrammed and re-educated. > I've tried to get you to examine a couple pertinent > questions that could, if answered honestly, lend perhaps a wee bit of > sanity to your perverse beliefs but you refuse to even consider > giving the questions a bit of thought. You really don't think I've considered and answered those questions already? - You must be working in an extremely simplistic manner not taking into account that anything other than your system has a lot more content and foundation to it. > That's the very way brain > washing is defined. > Cults are very good at brainwashing their members and Pagan Witches > are just a cult. I'm just checking my computer for a malfunction. - Did you *really* just say what's on my screen? > A very old cult but a cult nonetheless all the more > useless for its anachronism. You and your ilk are like members of the > Flat Earth Society. You deny reality. He did too! Tghis is sooo rich coming from someone who...OMG this is just so much PKB it defies belief! Someone who denies and/or has no idea of the realities other than the purely physical all around them is telling me that I deny reality! - Holy sh.t; I've heard it all now! > Until you embrace reality you > have little chance of ever being happy and fulfilled. But I *am*; on both counts. : That just might tell you something, bearing in mind your last statement? > As long as you > continue to dabble about in an imaginary religion based on magic you > are little more than an imaginary character yourself. It's not the fucken Paul Daniels show you know! Get a clue first; then talk about it. > You sound young to me. Maybe in your early 20's - at least that's how > your writing pegs you. Although that is the intention conveyed in my dialogue I'm nonetheless extremely flattered. : The goddess blesses her children with youthfulness. > You have your whole life in front of you if > this should be the actual case. Don't continue to waste it by basing > in on fantasy. You seem to have done just that though. > Successful people must know reality and know that they > know it and never forget that life is to be lived in reality. Live life day by day, but live every day for the future as well as for the present. : Think ahead and put into action today the successes of tomorrow. > Those > who run off into some demented corner and hide are doomed to failure > - a self-imposed failure. Think about it. Just look at DILV as the worst example of that eh! You're not doing so well yourself lately by the impression I get from reading between the lines. Would you like to talk about that in some way possibly? 'All I got from Christianity was mind control and lies.' REPLY: Ive talked to many many people over the years who abandoned The Christian Faith and it funnels down to one or more of the following : (which was it for you Sharron ?) -- 1. A person/people within a particular local church body upset you , said something derogatory toward you, rubbed you up the wrong way, didnt do something correctly, et al...which led you to *think that the entire Christian Faith is untenable as a result. 2. You got into a local church body that was just a bunch of religiousity , church specific traditions, ways, rituals, et al... and you saw no substance beyond that. It was a church body that did not emphasis the 'personal relationship' standpoint with the Saviour and instead , focused on themselves primarily. 3. You got turned off because they took a collection during the service to support their church , missionaries, or associated ministrys. 4. You attended a local church that was not Evangelical by nature and saw the opposite of what real christianity entails. 5. You assumed you were being 'lied to' but in actuality, it was just a case of it not fitting your fancy (being conducive to your lifestyle ). 6. Sin was discussed and your pride would not allow you to see your darker side of your personality , thus...you determined that you needing a Saviour was in accurate. One or more of the above fits in with your personal experience ., and im pretty sure of that. Care to explain explicitly your experience in full ? Thanks. Chances are , you took a bad experience and applied it to the overall historical Christian Church, God, Christ, salvation, heaven, etc...and concluded it 'was all a sham' . Im willing to say that youve never investigated the apologetics of the Christian Faith including the historical evidences for Christ, the evidence for a theistic Creator, nor being willing to admit that you are , in fact, a Sinner just like the rest of mankind. In short, your pride overruled your intellect and will so you settled for something more pleasing to your Feelings/lifestyle/autonomy. 'Paganism has supplied many answers, but every answer opens more questions. : As I said before; the more I know the more I realise how little I know.' REPLY: The practice of sorcery, witchcraft, occultic techniques, channeling with dead spirits, viewing created things as divinity, et al...offers a person a great deal of power/control/and autonomy which feeds ego and feelings.... regardless of thier destructive inherent nature and false theology. These are ideals that get a person glued to the intrigue of the dark world ... the fascination of discoverying the unknown dark powers that exist. No wonder the Bible says to stay away from it all. In closing, youve chosen for yourself a religion/philosophies that are appealing to your comfortability and autonomy , cannot be confirmed by any scientific application of inquiry (which you agree is a crucial standard ) , bolsters your ego , and leads you down the road of 'promises' of greater personal fulfillment and sensationalism . Clearly, this is an act of the Great Deciever, Satan, who deliberately works with ones feelings of elation , importance, pride, etc...so you will remain hooked and will veto any opposing view of what the real truth is. The very assertion of belonging to a 'cult' made by you, is really a self fulfilling prophecy because of the sensationalism it delivers to your feelings and ego , Sharron. This is not the standard of truth in which to judge truth according to . And, deep down inside, i think youre smart enough to know that.. albiet , not humble enough to admit it. (yet). The correct thing to do would be to RUN from the darkness and take up the light : " I AM the light of the world" : Jesus Christ. You need to give the Christian Faith another chance, only this time , make sure you attend a healthy and well balanced church yet still bearing in mind that you will be among fallible human beings who are still Sinners, but are forgiven thru the blood of Christ shed for them. And..spending some time at www.impactapologetics.com to pick out some helpful resources would allow you a fresher view of the Christian Faith in a positive way. Dave. > 'All I got from Christianity was mind control and lies.' > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > One or more of the above fits in with your personal experience . I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you're wrong. >, and > im pretty sure of that. You want to know what really turned me off? OK here goes for just one example. : Initially I saw the cracks in the masks; I saw the delusions and the shattered dreams; the lack of fulfillment and the repression. I asked people why they weren't happy. Of course at first they denied it, but in short I eventually found that they were unhappy living with unnessesary repression and under the thumb of leaders without anything to offer in the way of organised leadership, intelligence, holiness, supernatural nature, spirituality, works, anything. - Just more "Thou shalt" and "Thou shalt not". I began to realise the controlling structure of the religion; "You must do... and not do... or you'll be sent to hell to burn forever by God who loves you." So God was a sado-masochist too?! I though Christianity frowned upon that sort of thing? - In fact I was quite aware that Xianity frowned upon anything and everything except Xianity. - And the insinuation "You can't leave as there's no way back : Christ only died once for you." : That's terrorism! That's a subtle mental control mechanism! If that's what everyone else is told then no wonder so many people are unhappy; they are stuck in repression and they have no way out because they are brainwashed that if they leave they'll be tortured for eternity! - That's the real EVIL; and the real evil is right there in the church! Is a supposed loving God really that evil? Who is "God" anyway? The church say what he is and isn't. They all say that they've been remade in his image too. : No wonder they kill each other and live irresponsible lives... I pressed people about the presence of the Holy Spirit within them. : Where was God's presence within them? Was there a special part of them that glowed or something; because whatever it was I'd missed it glowing. Oh God was working in their lives! God was repressing them and imposing rules on them. God was giving them guilt complexes leading to personality disorders was he? It was God who put a cap upon any degree of success in their lives. God was making them live a lie. God was keeping them poor and yet taking their monay from them was he?: No it was absolutely nothing to do with [any] God; it was the church. - they were serving the church in the name of some "God" and living a complete lie. Eventually I asked the wrong person questions on this subject; one of the church leadership. I was ordered not to say anything at services and it was announced to the congregation that I had been asked not to do so as they "felt that my thoughts were not from God". They even physically restrained me when I attempted to air my views and they watched me like a hawk. That was part of my experience in just one of the churches I attended during my life. [1986] That is a tiny piece of the jigsaw of my entire personal experience with Xianity. > Care to explain explicitly your experience > in full ? > I *will* write a book on it one day.It'll take a book to document in > brief. It'll require volumes to recount my discoveries since becoming a > Pagan; and that's just the first four years until now. > Thanks. Chances are , you took a bad experience and > applied it to the overall historical Christian Church, God, Christ, > salvation, heaven, etc...and concluded it 'was all a sham' . Don't insult me; I'm not that shallow. > Im > willing to say that youve never investigated the apologetics of the > Christian Faith including the historical evidences for Christ, the > evidence for a theistic Creator, It's because I have done just that and more that I'm a Pagan. > nor being willing to admit that you > are , in fact, a Sinner just like the rest of mankind. *You're* the sinner. ; You yourself said so; and it's how you want to be. : That's why you are. > In short, your > pride overruled your intellect and will so you settled for something > more pleasing to your Feelings/lifestyle/autonomy. Repetitious suggestion has no effect upon me. : I've can spot brainwashing tactics a mile off. Please save them for the gullible. > 'Paganism has supplied many answers, but every answer opens more > questions. : As I said before; the more I know the more I realise how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > channeling with dead spirits, viewing created things as divinity, et > al...offers a person a great deal of power/control/and autonomy If one approaches Witchcraft with that opinion one will soon be in all sorts of trouble. > which > feeds ego and feelings.... It does? > regardless of thier destructive inherent > nature and false theology. Are we talking about Xianity again? > These are ideals that get a person glued > to the intrigue of the dark world ... the fascination of discoverying > the unknown dark powers that exist. If anyone goes into Witchcraft with an intention of messing with darkness then one of two things will happen, depending upon the person. : 1/ The person will be turned into a jibbering idiot and/or be killed. 2/ The person will be aligned to their darkest side during the remainder of their life if they happen to be of a particularly strong personal disposition, and will become a "black witch". > No wonder the Bible says to stay > away from it all. I don't give two sh.ts what your iron-age control-mannual says. > In closing, youve chosen for yourself a religion/philosophies that > are appealing to your comfortability And you haven't? > and autonomy , Define what you mean by "autonomy". > cannot be > confirmed by any scientific application of inquiry (which you agree > is a crucial standard ) > , bolsters your ego , I don't have a male ego. - You have the problem with egotism. and leads you down the > road of 'promises' of greater personal fulfillment and sensationalism That sounds like Xianity! It certainly isn't Paganism. The next time you try to put words into my mouth I'll just snip the rest and end my reply. > . Clearly, this is an act of the Great Deciever, Satan, Who? Oh the Xian excuse for fuckwittery and all kinds of evil that they perpetrate. : No this alleged being is Christian's problem; nothing to do with paganism. > deliberately works with ones feelings of elation , importance, pride, > etc...so you will remain hooked and will veto any opposing view of > what the real truth is. The very assertion of belonging to a 'cult' > made by you, is really a self fulfilling prophecy because of the > sensationalism it delivers to your feelings and ego , Sharron. What on earth are you on about? Please take your medication before posting to me in the future. > This > is not the standard of truth in which to judge truth according to . > And, deep down inside, i think youre smart enough to know that.. > albiet , not humble enough to admit it. (yet). Anything you say. > The correct thing to do would be to RUN from the darkness and take up > the light : Well i generally stay away from darkness; but yes I certainly agree that I've made a smart move and taken up light. - I'm with you there > " I AM the light of the world" : Jesus Christ. You need > to give the Christian Faith another chance, Seven chnces was enough for me. > only this time , make > sure you attend a healthy and well balanced church yet still bearing > in mind that you will be among fallible human beings who are still > Sinners, I don't want to associate with failures and people like you. > but are forgiven thru the blood of Christ shed for them. Excuses excuses. > And..spending some time at www.impactapologetics.com to pick out > some helpful resources would allow you a fresher view of the > Christian Faith in a positive way. You can spam that site forever if you must; I still think it's a massive heap of utter shite. As I said; I visualise the impact of it hitting the dirt after being thrown out the window, and I hear the apology for subjecting me to such absolute bullcrap. > Dave. 'You want to know what really turned me off? OK here goes for just one example. : Initially I saw the cracks in the masks; I saw the delusions and the shattered dreams; the lack of fulfillment and the repression. I asked people why they weren't happy. Of course at first they denied it, but in short I eventually found that they were unhappy living with unnessesary repression and under the thumb of leaders without anything to offer in the way of organised leadership, intelligence, holiness, supernatural nature, spirituality, works, anything. - Just more "Thou shalt" and "Thou shalt not". I began to realise the controlling structure of the religion; "You must do... and not do... or you'll be sent to hell to burn forever by God who loves you." So God was a sado-masochist too?! I though Christianity frowned upon that sort of thing? - In fact I was quite aware that Xianity frowned upon anything and everything except Xianity. - And the insinuation "You can't leave as there's no way back : Christ only died once for you." : That's terrorism! That's a subtle mental control mechanism! If that's what everyone else is told then no wonder so many people are unhappy; they are stuck in repression and they have no way out because they are brainwashed that if they leave they'll be tortured for eternity! - That's the real EVIL; and the real evil is right there in the church! Is a supposed loving God really that evil? Who is "God" anyway? The church say what he is and isn't. They all say that they've been remade in his image too. : No wonder they kill each other and live irresponsible lives... I pressed people about the presence of the Holy Spirit within them. : Where was God's presence within them? Was there a special part of them that glowed or something; because whatever it was I'd missed it glowing. Oh God was working in their lives! God was repressing them and imposing rules on them. God was giving them guilt complexes leading to personality disorders was he? It was God who put a cap upon any degree of success in their lives. God was making them live a lie. God was keeping them poor and yet taking their monay from them was he?: No it was absolutely nothing to do with [any] God; it was the church. - they were serving the church in the name of some "God" and living a complete lie. Eventually I asked the wrong person questions on this subject; one of the church leadership. I was ordered not to say anything at services and it was announced to the congregation that I had been asked not to do so as they "felt that my thoughts were not from God". They even physically restrained me when I attempted to air my views and they watched me like a hawk. That was part of my experience in just one of the churches I attended during my life. [1986] That is a tiny piece of the jigsaw of my entire personal experience with Xianity. ' REPLY: So you based youre entire view of the Christian Faith on what you saw Sinfilled people do , demanded, kept pigeon-holed, and used scare tactics to keep em coming back to surrender their minds, intellect, and will .?? Im willing to bet that you knew that wasnt the true Christian Faith at all ; all you had to do is read the Gospel Of John in the Bible to see what real Christianity entails thru the teachings of Christ . Then you would have known Gods unmerited love toward you and how much you matter to him. You dont look at people who fail at their Faith ; you look to the one who died for you and who is the author of Faith. 'It's because I have done just that and more that I'm a Pagan.' REPLY: No you havent investigated the historical evidences for Christ because you dont place a high importance on objective truth. You settled for a sensationalistic subjective truth based on ow it makes you feel, how your ego gets satisfied, the power and control you can exert, and the sisterhood of others who get off on sorcery, being a witch, and dabbling with unseen evil entities. ...snip filthy talk and vile assertions..... 'Excuses excuses.' REPLY: Youre lost . In closing, Youre standing right at the edge of the White Cliffs of Dover and the ground is crumbling away ; you look at others in front of you who are trying to warn you but you are determined that they are crazy zealots . Its a long way down ..... and theres no climbing back up once youve reached the bottom . No amount of stirring the Witches Brew , memorizing sorcery buzzwords, or calling on 'The Goddess' or Saint Thomas will help ; its too late....you shunned your Creator for the last time and the hour-glass has run dry. Theres no sensationalism to be found ; its dark and gloomy. Full of regret as evidenced by the nashing of teeth. > 'You want to know what really turned me off? OK here goes for just one > example. : [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > scare tactics to keep em coming back to surrender their minds, > intellect, and will .?? I suggest you read my post again; with particular attention to "OK here goes for *just* *one* *example* . : > Im willing to bet that you knew that wasnt > the true Christian Faith at all ; all you had to do is read the > Gospel Of John in the Bible to see what real Christianity entails > thru the teachings of Christ . I've read every gospel; including the ones you haven't. > Then you would have known Gods > unmerited love toward you and how much you matter to him. You dont > look at people who fail at their Faith ; you look to the one who died > for you and who is the author of Faith. I can't see any more than a fantasy mental picture. - Which is all it is anyway. > 'It's because I have done just that and more that I'm a Pagan.' > > REPLY: No you havent investigated the historical evidences for Christ > because you dont place a high importance on objective truth. I do; and that's why I'm a pagan. : I can't live a lie. > You > settled for a sensationalistic subjective truth based on ow it makes > you feel, how your ego gets satisfied, the power and control you can > exert, and the sisterhood of others who get off on sorcery, being a > witch, and dabbling with unseen evil entities. You have utterly no idea due to your non-experience of Paganism combined with your irrational brainwashed-in bias against it. > ...snip filthy talk and vile assertions..... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > at others in front of you who are trying to warn you but you are > determined that they are crazy zealots . Bad news for you. The ground has fallen away already; but instead of falling to doom like the lost I'm flying high above due to what I know and who I am. - I'm free and happy. You refuse to believe I'm flying and keep telling me that I'm falling; even though I'm soaring above you - And you can't handle it. > Its a long way down ..... > and theres no climbing back up once youve reached the bottom . No [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > has run dry. Theres no sensationalism to be found ; its dark and > gloomy. Full of regret as evidenced by the nashing of teeth. "..Sinfilled people do , demanded, kept pigeon-holed, and used scare tactics to keep em coming back to surrender their minds, intellect, and will ." It's a shame you're so sinfilled. >> I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell . >> . . [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I was more inclined to consign it to a pile of pure unadulterated > BULLSHIT! Put it in whatever pile you want; 'makes no difference to me. >I lost a lot of the meaning by trying to put it all in a nutshell >admittedly. Also there is clearly a difference between American and UK TV [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Thanks for clarifying the issue. Europe uses a different standard for broadcast of TV signals but a the RF antnenna theory is the same regardless because the RF "waves" all at the same in reception and transmission. When color TV was born many years ago they had to get a little better with antenna desgn to give them a flatter reception responce because the signal is spread over a wider range of the channel allocation and if there was larger deviations in the antennas gain withing the selected channel spectrum you could wind up with a picture that has color problems or ghosting. Ghosting is caused when signal is received on several paths from reflection and as they arrive out of phase the ghosting appears. A well designed antenna that is very directional and has what we call a high front to back and front to side ratio will tend to reject this off axis signal interferance and provide a better picture and more gain as well on desired signal. DTV is long overdue since the basic standard on which TV is based on has not really changed since it was created. DTV has been delayed because it took a while for the technolgy and its cost to make it more marketable. People that rushed out and bought DTV's two or three years ago did not get the techology that they have in DTV's today at half the price or less. You always want to wait for a new techology to mature before investing it it especailly when it is a radically new standard. The "key" to a DTV is its signal processor and they have gotten a lot faster, better and cheaper in the last year or so and are powerfull enough to be able to start to exploit DTV's true potentail. BTW, I see no problem with future DTV antenna as long as they are UHF. Also old true UHF TV antenna should work fine with DTV though you might want one with higher gain because the higher data rate of DTV yeilds a lower fiield strength (due to increased spectrum usage) and generally shorter range than current TV. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > The size/length of the elements in the antenna determine the frequency it resonates > and provides the most effect gain. Yeah, but . . . . Size/Length . . . . with appropriate tuned circuitry attached to the antenna elements, size/length becomes somewhat less than an obstacle. A typical Wingard antenna head incorporates something like a dozen or so associated tuned circuits; and they tend to work amazingly well! >I have a packaged entertainment unit consisting of am/fm radio, audio > tape , and CD player. I cant get a good reception on FM Radio .. even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks. And poor Dave never did get an answer to his question - how can he get better FM radio reception with an attenna inside his rig? BeeCee >And poor Dave never did get an answer to his question - how can he get >better FM radio reception with an attenna inside his rig? > >BeeCee And the purpose of that comment was . . . . . ? > >And poor Dave never did get an answer to his question - how can he get > >better FM radio reception with an attenna inside his rig? > > > >BeeCee > > And the purpose of that comment was . . . . . ? Thanks SignatureMatt Delete nospam for email "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" >> >And poor Dave never did get an answer to his question - how can he get >> >better FM radio reception with an attenna inside his rig? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> And the purpose of that comment was . . . . . ? > Thanks Mea culpa Matt - I forgot that you actually did reply to Dave's question before everyone else got into the pissing contest. BeeCee >>> >And poor Dave never did get an answer to his question - how can he get >>> >better FM radio reception with an attenna inside his rig? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > BeeCee I recommended a folded dipole from Radio Shack. Read my previous post. I challenge anyone to find a better solution for the money. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062691&cp=&parentPage=search $4.99 @ Radio Shack. Remember it is directional and won't receive in the direction along the axis of the antenna. Otherwise use this: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103160&cp Works for everything but TV gets multipath. Busy Bill >>I have a packaged entertainment unit consisting of am/fm radio, audio >> tape , and CD player. I cant get a good reception on FM Radio .. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > BeeCee Yes, he did. 'Bill' answered it by saying a coat hanger with aluminum foil on it is the best antenna for Dave's purposes. Sounds nuts but I bet it's true. I recall reading an article in Popular Science some time ago where NASA was looking for the best antenna for some space satellite to broadcast and receive. They spent hundreds of thousands researching the best antenna. Some home-based Rube designed one using morphing software he wrote and the thing ended up looking like a oddly bent paper clip and the same size of one. It fit inside some sort of a ceramic cylinder and it outperformed anything NASA had researched. They ended up using it. Shad O'Shay |
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