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Tiny Bubbles - the perils of propane

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Harry Harris - 22 Oct 2007 22:02 GMT
Here's a good discussion about how you've gotta be extra careful to
level your RV before using your propane refrigerator so it won't
blow up. Makes me wonder why people don't use a sensible electric
refrigerator instead.

http://burningrv.tribe.net/thread/b24f9961-3309-47d7-9fb7-a50e20b191bf

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Steve Barker - 22 Oct 2007 22:52 GMT
I can tell the story is bullshit without reading it.    Go on spammer.

s

> Here's a good discussion about how you've gotta be extra careful to
> level your RV before using your propane refrigerator so it won't
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>
> Harry Harris
Harry Harris - 22 Oct 2007 23:57 GMT
|I can tell the story is bullshit without reading it.    Go on spammer.

It's not a story, you top-posting twit!  It's a discussion of RVers
about RVers.

Harry Harris

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Steve Barker - 23 Oct 2007 01:11 GMT
Well exxxxxcuuuuuuuse me you bottom posting bafoon.

s

> |I can tell the story is bullshit without reading it.    Go on
> spammer.
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>
> Harry Harris
Steve Barker - 23 Oct 2007 01:16 GMT
Ok, so now i've read (most) of the thread at that link.   It's still
bullshit.  More time wasted writing about something that doesn't matter.

s

> Here's a good discussion about how you've gotta be extra careful to
> level your RV before using your propane refrigerator so it won't
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>
> Harry Harris
GBinNC - 23 Oct 2007 01:29 GMT
>Ok, so now i've read (most) of the thread at that link.   It's still
>bullshit.  More time wasted writing about something that doesn't matter.

Steve, why would you bother to reply to this poster? I daresay many if
not most of us have him filtered -- as well as those folks who keep him
going by carrying on conversations with him.

Join the club. Please.

GB in NC
Steve Barker - 23 Oct 2007 01:35 GMT
Ok,  i usually don't pay much attention to who wrote something.  And I
rarely have someone filtered.  but I CAN do it.  thanks.

s

>>Ok, so now i've read (most) of the thread at that link.   It's still
>>bullshit.  More time wasted writing about something that doesn't matter.
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>
> GB in NC
Lloyd Bonafide - 23 Oct 2007 18:14 GMT
> Here's a good discussion about how you've gotta be extra careful to
> level your RV before using your propane refrigerator so it won't
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>
> Harry Harris

I generally avoid propane use as much as possible. My Dometic 3 way is used
in 12V and 110 volt mode only. I prefer my Coleman peltier power cooler to
the fridge. T he gas stove is turned on/off with the tank and stove
controls. I've been in a few propane mishaps and want to avoid anymore.
Propane does not evaporate and collects in low places. Propane bombs also
killed over 200 Marine in Bierut when Reagan was President. I say one cannot
be too careful with propane and there are safe alternatives. Thanks for the
info.
JerryD(upstateNY) - 24 Oct 2007 14:12 GMT
"Lloyd Bonafide"  should start emailing Harry "the sky is falling" Harris.
They would get along great, telling phony stories about propane.
Neither knows anything about the real number of propane accidents.
Many more people die from electrocution than people die from propane
explosions.

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Lloyd Bonafide - 24 Oct 2007 16:45 GMT
> "Lloyd Bonafide"  should start emailing Harry "the sky is falling" Harris.
> They would get along great, telling phony stories about propane.
> Neither knows anything about the real number of propane accidents.
> Many more people die from electrocution than people die from propane
> explosions.

These statistics don't uphold your thesis, especially when the Texas penal
system is not counted:

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

Propane gas is much more deadly than electricity.

Propane tanker triggered blast
TACOMA, Wash. // An explosion at a foundry was triggered when a propane
tanker burst into flames, touching off a series of other blasts, authorities
said. The Saturday blast sent a fireball into the sky over the Atlas
Castings and Technology foundry. It could take days to find out why the
delivery truck, loaded with 8,000 gallons of propane, exploded, authorities
said. The truck driver, identified as Charles McDonald, 64, was in critical
condition at a Seattle hospital yesterday. Three others injured in the blast
were released from a Tacoma hospital, authorities said. A large, two-axle
portion of the tanker truck blew more than 150 feet into the air and landed
in flames on a highway, state transportation workers told The News Tribune
of Tacoma.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/propane-gas-line-caused-massive-explosion/4221
551114


Electricity does not kills hundreds at one time. Electricity can be turned
off, propane cannot.

Do not poo-poo propane on any safety issue.
Harry Harris - 24 Oct 2007 20:42 GMT
| > "Lloyd Bonafide"  should start emailing Harry "the sky is falling" Harris.
| > They would get along great, telling phony stories about propane.
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| in flames on a highway, state transportation workers told The News Tribune
| of Tacoma.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/propane-gas-line-caused-massive-explosion/4221
551114


| Electricity does not kills hundreds at one time. Electricity can be turned
| off, propane cannot.
|
| Do not poo-poo propane on any safety issue.

Good post, good advice and right you are Lloyd. But you are about
the only one around here who doesn't ignore the dangers of propane
and post lame arguments like "gasoline is more dangerous".  That's
like having unprotected sex with an AIDS patient and then saying,
"So what, Ebola is more dangerous."  Most of the people in this
group are hopelessly pathetic when it comes to basic safety issues.
I don't think I've ever run into a dumber bunch. They must have
ostrich blood in their veins. They stick their heads in the sand
and they think that's gonna protect them from danger.

Harry Harris

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Zyp - 25 Oct 2007 04:18 GMT
>> "Lloyd Bonafide"  should start emailing Harry "the sky is falling"
>> Harris. They would get along great, telling phony stories about
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> Do not poo-poo propane on any safety issue.

When my RV is used like a foundry, then I'll worry.

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Zyp - 25 Oct 2007 04:17 GMT
> "Lloyd Bonafide"  should start emailing Harry "the sky is falling"
> Harris. They would get along great, telling phony stories about
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> --
> JerryD(upstateNY)

Hell;  more people die from doctors mis-diagnosis and incorrect
prescriptions than propane fires.  BTW:  propane doesn't "evaporate."  It's
already a gas once it leaves the bottle.  Although, it is heavery than air
by 65% and yes, if you have a propane leak in your RV, you should exit, turn
off the tank, and "sweep" the propane out.  Using the anology of water will
go a long way in removing propane from your RV.  Oh, and don't smoke while
trying to ventilate your RV.

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Dave and Trudy - 27 Oct 2007 10:20 GMT
> "Lloyd Bonafide"  should start emailing Harry "the sky is falling" Harris.
> They would get along great, telling phony stories about propane.
> Neither knows anything about the real number of propane accidents.
> Many more people die from electrocution than people die from propane
> explosions.

I wonder if the TWO are really ONE... Same style of BSing about the same
tired old "Everything is dangerous and we shouldn't ever leave the safety of
our houses". Of course no one told him/them that more accidents occur in the
home than in the motorhome...
DaveD
Dean - 27 Oct 2007 17:55 GMT
>I wonder if the TWO are really ONE... Same style of BSing about the same
>tired old "Everything is dangerous and we shouldn't ever leave the safety of
>our houses". Of course no one told him/them that more accidents occur in the
>home than in the motorhome...
>DaveD

Harry has posted under at least 3 different names.  All spouting BS.
He/they is/are kill-filed for sure.

dean
Dave and Trudy - 24 Oct 2007 08:17 GMT
> Here's a good discussion about how you've gotta be extra careful to
> level your RV before using your propane refrigerator so it won't
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>
> Harry Harris

Stupid me. I always thought that the "tiny bubbles" were in the wine. At
least that is what Don Ho said.

DaveD
Zyp - 25 Oct 2007 04:22 GMT
>> Here's a good discussion about how you've gotta be extra careful to
>> level your RV before using your propane refrigerator so it won't
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>
> DaveD

Truth be told, your 3-way refrigerator uses Amonia.  Anhydrous Amonia.
Which if you get a leak, can not only be flammable, [when asperated in air
at the correct proportion] but will cause you to go sleepy by and possibly
not wake up.  Propane at that point won't be of a concern.

The amperage draw from the "heater" in the refrigerator can cause your RV to
catch fire as well [from a loose elecrical connection.]  Dangers all around
us.  Don't leave your home!  Stay wrapped up on your couch and don't leave.
Of course unless your in Southern California and your house catches fire!
What's the odds of that?

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Dean - 25 Oct 2007 20:02 GMT
>Truth be told, your 3-way refrigerator uses Amonia.  Anhydrous Amonia.
>Which if you get a leak, can not only be flammable, [when asperated in air
>at the correct proportion] but will cause you to go sleepy by and possibly
>not wake up.  Propane at that point won't be of a concern.

HUH!?  You cannot breathe in the presense of NH3.  It is not
flammable.  see-
http://www.airgasspecialtyproducts.com/UserDyn/laroche/4001msds-r-06-20-07.pdf

>The amperage draw from the "heater" in the refrigerator can cause your RV to
>catch fire as well [from a loose elecrical connection.]  Dangers all around
>us.  Don't leave your home!  Stay wrapped up on your couch and don't leave.
>Of course unless your in Southern California and your house catches fire!
>What's the odds of that?

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