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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2007

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Natural antifreeze?

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Nate - 27 Oct 2007 03:39 GMT
Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
so I'm assuming you just can't dump it in the spring.  We're in
southern Virginia and the winters generally aren't that bad.  Any
options?

TIA.
FMB - 27 Oct 2007 03:44 GMT
> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
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>
> TIA.

I thinks someone on RORT mentioned Gin or Vodka a few weeks ago.

FMB
(North Mexico)
williamboyd - 27 Oct 2007 04:22 GMT
>> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
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> FMB
> (North Mexico)

Now some folks here at RORT might take offense at that and claiming you
are trying to make their RV an alcoholic. (but I think it would work and
provide a good place to hide it)<G>

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Peter Pan - 27 Oct 2007 07:14 GMT
>>> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>>> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
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> you are trying to make their RV an alcoholic. (but I think it would
> work and provide a good place to hide it)<G>

Depends on how strong you want it too... I'd give a try with Bacardi 151 rum
instead of af.... :)
Lon VanOstran - 27 Oct 2007 03:51 GMT
> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  

Of course. Head that RV south and don't stop until you are safe from frost.

Lon
williamboyd - 27 Oct 2007 04:18 GMT
> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> TIA.

Sure , what we did before the pink stuff came along, drain the water
out, then blow the lines out with air. You might want to check your rig
and insure the pluming was installed properly so as to allow total
drainage of the fresh water lines. The waste lines have P traps that we
would connect a small hose to a basting syringe and evacuate all the
water. Of course this will allow the smell of the waste water tanks to
come inside unless you put stoppers in the sinks. Yoi must remember to
drain the shower hose as well. Most of the water supply valves are
designed where all you have to do is open them and they will back drain,
including the commode. The water heater has a drain as well, those lines
can be installed where they might not properly drain. You know a lot of
the pluming has been added after the pink stuff came along, but I don't
think, because it did. We had some pretty primitive facilities when I
was a kid living in a travel trailer. I can remember some sixty 2 years
ago, my brother and I laying in our double bunks of dad's trailer,
listening to Tom Mix and the Lone Ranger on a radio that was quite
large.We took off for New Orleans with dad's tow vehicle a 1929 Nash
Ambulance, now that sucker would get it. The trailer was as I remember a
Glider. Our only indoor facilities was a funnel attached to a hose that
drained in a can below the trailer, guess who had to empty the can in
the morning, my brother was the oldest. The cook stove was oil as well
as the heater. When we traveled the heater oil tank had a shut off valve
but the cook stove had a globe jug that had to be removed and turned
upside down and placed in a holding rack. we not only did not have the
pink stuff then but little indoor plumbing at all.
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Neon John - 27 Oct 2007 05:02 GMT
>Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
>so I'm assuming you just can't dump it in the spring.  We're in
>southern Virginia and the winters generally aren't that bad.  Any
>options?

Propylene glycol is not toxic, indeed it is a common food additive, and it can be
dumped on the ground or anywhere else you desire.

John
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Eisboch - 27 Oct 2007 10:25 GMT
>>Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>>ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
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>
> John

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p6928.htm

Eisboch
Jim Redelfs - 27 Oct 2007 13:39 GMT
> http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p6928.htm

Thank-you for taking the time to post the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) on
"the pink stuff" (RV antifreeze).  It is interesting and further assured me
that the stuff is virtually harmless.
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Jim Redelfs - 27 Oct 2007 13:37 GMT
> Propylene glycol is not toxic, indeed it is a common
> food additive, and it can be dumped on the ground o
> anywhere else you desire.

My lawn grass (dwarf fescue) did NOT "like" the stuff when I drained the
antifreeze onto it.  I now use a long hose to direct it to the gutter out at
the street and, of course, ultimately into the municipal storm drain/watershed.
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Will Sill - 27 Oct 2007 12:54 GMT
I see where Nate <nnord@maxitd.com> contributed:
>Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  

What would be a _unnatural_ "option"?

>It looks like the main
>ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
>so I'm assuming you just can't dump it in the spring.

You assume incorrectly.   The pink stuff is not "toxic", though I'm
sure you'd get a bellyache if you gulped a quart right outa the jug!

OTOH, I would not dump it in the spring - or the well either.

Will Sill
I post to help rv'ers and to annoy the snot outa idjits,
morons and liberal kooks.  If you're annoyed, check yer
mirror to see why.
Dave Thompson - 27 Oct 2007 13:13 GMT
> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> TIA.

Propylene glycol is not toxic. You are thinking of ethylene glycol which
is used in automotive antifreeze.

Dave Thompson
Steve - 28 Oct 2007 02:04 GMT
> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> TIA.

I use a special blend of aromatic herbal essences (boiled then strained)
that is good to -15F. Not quite as good as antifreeze but non toxic and
organic.
Frank Tabor - 28 Oct 2007 03:01 GMT
>> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>that is good to -15F. Not quite as good as antifreeze but non toxic and
>organic.

You use boiled marijuana?
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NotMe - 28 Oct 2007 19:54 GMT
| >> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
| >> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
|
| You use boiled marijuana?

I've know folk to get fried on marijuana but never boiled.
Tom J - 28 Oct 2007 03:29 GMT
>> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> strained) that is good to -15F. Not quite as good as antifreeze but
> non toxic and organic.

Our trailer is a 1986 and it has never had antifreeze except 1 place.
That's the trap in the drain from the tub & shower, because it extends
into the under belly. We drain all the lines, tanks & water heater. If
we are were it is expected to get below 28 degrees for more than 3 or
4 hours, we turn on the 1500 watt electric heater that has a wall
thermostat set at 55 degrees. We also turn on the furnace with the
thermostat set at 50 degrees - it's lowest setting. If the furnace
comes on, it also warms the tank area.

Haven't had a line to freeze yet!!

Tom J
stan.birch@hotmail.com - 30 Oct 2007 22:09 GMT
>"Nate" <nnord@maxitd.com> wrote in message

>> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
>> so I'm assuming you just can't dump it in the spring.  We're in
>> southern Virginia and the winters generally aren't that bad.  Any
>> options?

Propylene glycol is definitely not toxic. I once had to drink a gallon
of the stuff in preparation for a colonoscopy the next day.
Nothwithstanding that you might feel like you've been poisoned, and
feel like upchucking after drinking it, it's supposed to be safe.

It's basically plastic, which isn't absorbed by the gastrointestinal
system. It goes in as plastic and comes out the very same way.
Commonly used as a transport component in pharmaceuticals; it's also
used in breads and cakes to keep them moist due to the hygroscopic
property of propylene glycol to attract moisture from the air.

Can't think of anything better for winterizing. It's really cheap, and
accomplishes it's intended purpose.
Neon John - 31 Oct 2007 00:15 GMT
>>"Nate" <nnord@maxitd.com> wrote in message
>
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>Propylene glycol is definitely not toxic. I once had to drink a gallon
>of the stuff in preparation for a colonoscopy the next day.

That was  high molecular weight polyethylene glycol, commonly known as GoLytely
(anything BUT light!)  a different chemical.  That stuff is truly the spawn of the
devil!

http://www.nulytely.com/golytely/

John
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Nate - 29 Oct 2007 13:41 GMT
> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> TIA.

Appreciate all the responses and the correction on the relative
toxicity of propylene glycol.  Decided to try a mixture of grain
alcohol and water.  It's also a pretty good santizer and I can just
dump it in the spring.  Thanks again.
Steve - 29 Oct 2007 14:40 GMT
> Decided to try a mixture of grain
> alcohol and water.  It's also a pretty good santizer and I can just
> dump it in the spring.  Thanks again.

Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only
distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol?
Mandrake: Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes.
Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of
water?
Mandrake: Uh? Yes, I-I have heard of that, Jack, yes. Yes.
Ripper: Well, do you know what it is?
Mandrake: No, no I don't know what it is, no.
Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived
and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?
GBinNC - 29 Oct 2007 15:19 GMT
>Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only
>distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived
>and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?

A "sterling" bit of dialogue there <g>....

GB in NC
Tex Houston - 29 Oct 2007 21:21 GMT
>> Any natural options to RV antifreeze?  It looks like the main
>> ingredient in RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which is still toxic
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> alcohol and water.  It's also a pretty good santizer and I can just
> dump it in the spring.  Thanks again.

Make sure the livestock do not drink downstream from the spring.

Country Boy
 
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