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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / November 2007If magic is so great
Hey, Dr.H, if magic is so great why don't you use it to conjure up a super computer? Instead you spend your time working with technology that's based upon physics and chemistry. What's with that? A pagan using something the Lord provided? Don't you find that your job contradicts your religion? No? Well, you should. It's God who gave us humans a brain capable of inventing things like computers based on scientific principles based on our understanding of physics and chemistry based on our ability to understand the world. Getting naked and dancing in a circle around a caldron certainly had nothing to do with it. That fact alone should give you pause. Time to straighten up and fly right, Sharron, you poor misguided wench. Shad O'Shay > Hey, Dr.H, if magic is so great why don't you use it to conjure up a > super computer? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Firstly; it's *magick* with a *k* : Magic is illusion and deception, (A lot like Christianity.) sleight of hand and trickery. *Magick* with a*k* is utilising natural unseen supernatural forces and directing them in worship/praise of their source, as well as in both personal or joint will. The only work I do with physics and chemistry is in the kitchen. It may be that the Lord Pan did provide it? Why should my occupation contradict my religion? Computers are made from natural elements formed into usable items by complex technologies. - For instance a CPU internally consists of millions of microscopic doped field-effect semiconductors formed from compounds such as gallium arsenide, ammonium chloride, etc. interconnected by microscopically thin conductive structures... What exactly are you saying? Your reason for stating the former is that your god, according to you, gave humans a brain to use when building computers - Therefore you conclude that I shouldn't be building computers using something you state that your god gave me. I disagree that your god gave me enough brains to be able to accomplish this. : If that were proved to be the case then Dimwit should hate your god for missing him out. (When god was handing out brains Dimwit thought he said "train" and asked for a slow one.) I have the brains and resources to build computers; therefore I build computers. In the same way the conditions on earth are right for life as we know it; therefore life as we know it exists here. What has getting naked and dancing in a circle round a caulderon got to do with anything? It's a completely different subject? Really you do come up with some rather strange conceptions. : Do you take drugs? >> Hey, Dr.H, if magic is so great why don't you use it to conjure up a >> super computer? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > directing them in worship/praise of their source, as well as in both > personal or joint will. I don't really think your mispelling a word lends it any more validity. But, I do see your point. There's a difference between what you call magic and magician parlour tricks. So what do call spells and hexes you put on people and your bed to keep people out. Sounds like magic without a 'k' to me. You don't really expect it works any better than sleight of hand, do you? > The only work I do with physics and chemistry is in the kitchen. It may be > that the Lord Pan did provide it? Pan? Ha ha! An unfortunate name for a god of the kitchen where there's pots and "pans." > Why should my occupation contradict my religion? Computers are made from > natural elements formed into usable items by complex technologies. - For > instance a CPU internally consists of millions of microscopic doped > field-effect semiconductors formed from compounds such as gallium > arsenide, ammonium chloride, etc. interconnected by microscopically thin > conductive structures... Rubbish! Even I, a mere athlete, know chips are made outta silicon. They etch little teensy weensy channels into them for the electricity to flow and them make them in layers that form the semi conductors. That's why they call it Silicon Valley. Doh! > What exactly are you saying? Your reason for stating the former is that > your god, according to you, gave humans a brain to use when building > computers - Therefore you conclude that I shouldn't be building computers > using something you state that your god gave me. I never said you shouldn't but what I was getting at was you reject God and all he created yet you make a living working with what he created. If your magick is so great then reject what God created and use your magick instead. Savvy? Can't you conjure up a super computer using Magick? If not then your magick is puny compared to what God created. Get the point, girlie? > I disagree that your god gave me enough brains to be able to accomplish > this. : If that were proved to be the case then Dimwit should hate your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > conditions on earth are right for life as we know it; therefore life as we > know it exists here. I think you're secretely in love with DILV. You can't seem to get him outta your mind. He is rather a charismatic fellow, though so I can see he must be very attractive to the opposite sex. Do you call him gay just because he isn't interested in you for a sex partner? Some women are like that. Some women think they are so special that any man who isn't interested in them MUST be gay. > What has getting naked and dancing in a circle round a caulderon got to do > with anything? It's a completely different subject? Really you do come up > with some rather strange conceptions. : Do you take drugs? Used to but ya can't get away with it anymore. They test you every time you turn around. But I never took psychedelics if that's what you mean. Just performance enhancers. Shad O'Shay >>> Hey, Dr.H, if magic is so great why don't you use it to conjure up a >>> super computer? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > like magic without a 'k' to me. You don't really expect it works any > better than sleight of hand, do you? I know it does. >> The only work I do with physics and chemistry is in the kitchen. It >> may be that the Lord Pan did provide it? > > Pan? Ha ha! An unfortunate name for a god of the kitchen where > there's pots and "pans." Reminder: All humour is totally wasted on fundies. >> Why should my occupation contradict my religion? Computers are made >> from natural elements formed into usable items by complex [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rubbish! Even I, a mere athlete, know chips are made outta silicon. It's all laid on a silicon wafer; yes; but the active components are microscopic transistors made from semiconductor materials containing the formerly mentioned chemicals. Where did you get your electronics training? I qualified in industrial analogue and digital electronics as a technician at Exeter, UK. > They etch little teensy weensy channels into them for the electricity > to flow and them make them in layers that form the semi conductors. > That's why they call it Silicon Valley. Doh! ROFL OMG LOL. Never mind.. You know bugger all about electronics either. >> What exactly are you saying? Your reason for stating the former is >> that your god, according to you, gave humans a brain to use when [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > God and all he created yet you make a living working with what he > created. That's your opinion. I'm a Pagan evolutionist. : I don't believe either in your belief system or Creationism. - You're talking to the wrong person. > If your magick is so great then reject what God created and > use your magick instead. Savvy? Can't you conjure up a super computer > using Magick? If not then your magick is puny compared to what God > created. Get the point, girlie? I build the computers, not your god. I've built a computer as powerful as Deep Blue already; but the definition of "supercomputer" is changing all the time. I have fun physically building computers anyway; I enjoy and prefer doing it that way. >> I disagree that your god gave me enough brains to be able to >> accomplish this. : If that were proved to be the case then Dimwit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > outta your mind. He is rather a charismatic fellow, though so I can > see he must be very attractive to the opposite sex. Ask his ex-wife. > Do you call him > gay just because he isn't interested in you for a sex partner? Some > women are like that. Some women think they are so special that any > man who isn't interested in them MUST be gay. I don't care if anyone is interested in me or not; I'm a born-again virgin. I can tell that DILV is a gay male though. >> What has getting naked and dancing in a circle round a caulderon got >> to do with anything? It's a completely different subject? Really you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > time you turn around. But I never took psychedelics if that's what > you mean. Just performance enhancers. You're an admitted fake then, with an early unfair advantage. <snip> The Shadster wrote: >>You don't really expect it works any >> better than sleight of hand, do you? > I know it does. That's no test. An insane person believes all sorts of rubbish. If magick exists then prove it to me. If you can't prove it to me or somebody else then what can it be but a personal delusion? > Reminder: All humour is totally wasted on fundies. I'm not a "fundy." > That's your opinion. I'm a Pagan evolutionist. : I don't believe either in > your belief system or Creationism. - You're talking to the wrong person. Ya got that right. A moron! Ha ha ha! > I build the computers, not your god. I've built a computer as powerful as > Deep Blue already; but the definition of "supercomputer" is changing all > the time. I have fun physically building computers anyway; I enjoy and > prefer doing it that way. Get a Q-tip RIGHT NOW! Spend some time digging the sh.t outta your ears and LISTEN! Here's my question again. You say magic exists and is powerful. So build a computer using magic. It doesn't even have to be the best or most powerful - any old run-of-the-mill computer will do. Until you build a computer using magick and exhibit it for testing then I say magick is useless. You who love to build computers and who claims to practice magick can't even use magic to build a computer??? Pretty pathetic IMHO. > I don't care if anyone is interested in me or not; I'm a born-again > virgin. I can tell that DILV is a gay male though. You care, girlie or you wouldn't spend so much time here flirting with Dave. I'm not interested in you anymore since I found out you're almost old enough to be my mom. > You're an admitted fake then, with an early unfair advantage. Grow up, girlie. Get a clue. If you didn't use them then you were at a disadvantage. Just about every elite athlete in any field uses or has used performance enhancement drugs. It just so happens that in cycling they've really cracked down on it. They test and test. Baseball - go ahead and use steroids. Football - go ahead and use steroids. Pro wrestling- use double and triple doses of steroids. It's a very hypocritical world and you know it. Shad O'Shay > <snip> The Shadster wrote: >>> You don't really expect it works any [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's no test. An insane person believes all sorts of rubbish. I know you do. > If > magick exists then prove it to me. Why should I? If you want to know whether or not it's real then try it and prove it to yourself. If you're not prepared to try it then don't expect an answer. > If you can't prove it to me or > somebody else then what can it be but a personal delusion? I don't need to prove it to you. I know it's real and I don't have to justify myself to some ignoramus with an insecurity complex. >> Reminder: All humour is totally wasted on fundies. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ya got that right. A moron! Ha ha ha! f.ck off you complete arse! What's the problem with you? You're insulting yourself constantly so I ignore the odd pathetic insult directed at me. >> I build the computers, not your god. I've built a computer as >> powerful as Deep Blue already; but the definition of "supercomputer" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > do. Until you build a computer using magick and exhibit it for > testing then I say magick is useless. That's your problem. Until you get an intellect I'll treat you with the contempt that you deserve from this point on. > You who love to build computers > and who claims to practice magick can't even use magic to build a > computer??? Pretty pathetic IMHO. ...Which is worth absolutely zip. >> I don't care if anyone is interested in me or not; I'm a born-again >> virgin. I can tell that DILV is a gay male though. > > You care, girlie or you wouldn't spend so much time here flirting > with Dave. You have a very strange perception of flirting. > I'm not interested in you anymore since I found out you're > almost old enough to be my mom. Which makes you 27 or less. >> You're an admitted fake then, with an early unfair advantage. > > Grow up, girlie. Get a clue. If you didn't use them then you were at a > disadvantage. Just about every elite athlete in any field uses or has I've used recreationally rather than dishonestly. : You're just a loser and a total fraud. > used performance enhancement drugs. It just so happens that in > cycling they've really cracked down on it. They test and test. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Shad O'Shay >>> Hey, Dr.H, if magic is so great why don't you use it to conjure up a >>> super computer? [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Shad O'Shay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8LPjetBj-o >>>> Hey, Dr.H, if magic is so great why don't you use it to conjure up >>>> a super computer? [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8LPjetBj-o ROFL Sharron, As a Witch...what is the greatest thing youve conjured up ? And, did you go Trick or Treating the other day ? > Sharron, As a Witch...what is the greatest thing youve conjured up ? In what regard/In regard to what? > And, did you go Trick or Treating the other day ? 'You think my religion is a game I play once a year? > 'You think my religion is a game I play once a year? I think it is a manifestion of your attempt to compensate for your incredibly weak epistomological foundation. You are attempting to use the irrational to explain the rational and use "wishing" and "intent" to substitute for actual action. Rather than chant, pray or kneel before some blood soaked shrine why don't you pick up a few science and philosophy books and learn how the real world and human minds actually work. The only difference between you and the fundies is your narcissism. You are a zealot as much as Dave is and you are locked in a death grip about each other's throats {have you ever considered that DILV is simply a sophisticated troll and is pretending to be religious to hook the likes of you and drag you all over USENET? If that's the case he's do a great job and you leap at any unbaited hook he tosses, giving him the attention he desires.} Bud Dickman >> 'You think my religion is a game I play once a year? > > I think it is a manifestion of your attempt to compensate for your > incredibly weak epistomological foundation. 'Interesting analysis. > You are attempting to use > the irrational to explain the rational and use "wishing" and "intent" > to substitute for actual action. I feel you may have got the wrong idea. : Intent is a precursor to action. Wishing is a component part of intent. > Rather than chant, pray or kneel > before some blood soaked shrine You definitely have got the wrong idea; at least in this case. It sounds very much like you are envisioning Devil Worship. (?) > why don't you pick up a few science > and philosophy books and learn how the real world and human minds > actually work. Oh I could tell you such a lot about science. Where would you like to start? Particle physics, astrophysics, any physics...I love physics. - The difference between us being that I view physics from a spiritual/occult/paranormal angle in addition to doing so from a purely physical stance. It's unfortunate that any research into physics from this angle is extremely limited; and therefore in the most part I am only able to postulate theories with regard to this which are mostly unprovable at present, despite fitting together well, and which tend to invite ridicule from the uneducated and/or fundamentalist fringe due to this fact. - As a result of this I prefer of late to stick to well-defined existing Pagan doctrine religiouswise, while keeping the physics angle as near to the purely physical as is possible, and also attempt to keep the two in their own, although somewhat overlapping, groups. : The more the overlap the more the healthy skepticism or cynicism from some, the more the unanswerabhle questions and the less provability as a final consequence of the questions; hence the increased factor of doubt and the more channels open for the fundies to pour scorn upon it. In addition to that I have given up trying to talk science with people who think the sun runs on nitrogen fusion, have no idea what litmus paper is, assume that a silicon chip is made from microscopic channels in a silicon wafer which funnel electricity without the presence of any doped semiconductor material, and read all their scientific "facts" from literature written by equally unscientific and uneducated fundies who gained a "degree" at some unofficial fundy college by donating a large amount of money to the church. > The only difference between you and the fundies is > your narcissism. I disagree that it is the *only* difference; however I admit that it is one of if not the, *main* difference. > You are a zealot as much as Dave is OW! Please, even if only to be polite, please please don't associate me with or liken me to DILV in any way : The thought of it makes me feel unwell. > and you are > locked in a death grip about each other's throats {have you ever > considered that DILV is simply a sophisticated troll and is > pretending to be religious to hook the likes of you and drag you all > over USENET? If that's the case he's do a great job and you leap at > any unbaited hook he tosses, giving him the attention he desires.} You certainly do have a valid point there; and I would agree that he is no more than an ignorant troll who likes to hook people into giving him the attention that he craves due to his failure of a life, his inability to relate at a normal/sociological level with the general public, and his many sexual hangups etc. - But he does have a good entertainment value associated with his fuckwittery; and he never ceases to amaze me how he plumbs the depths of idiosynchracy repeatedly almost on a daily basis. - Sometimes it's even better than television and sarcastically funnier than Rowan Atkinson, French & Saunders, and all appreciably humerous acts combined. > Oh I could tell you such a lot about science. Where would you like to > start? Start here: Explain why an electron orbiting a hydrogen nucleus emits no radiation, the orbit does not decay or expand unless acted upon by outside forces and continues orbiting the nucleus in perpetuity despite the gravitational attraction between the particles. Explain it in terms of science. Bud Dickman >> Oh I could tell you such a lot about science. Where would you like to >> start? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bud Dickman Oh, please. Go back to school. Dickman! That old "atom that looks like a little solar system" adage doesn't cut it in this day and age. There's no "orbit" as such for the electron. The electron doesn't circle around the nucleus like a moon around a planet. The electron exists in several places at once in a range of orbits. It vibrates its way around the nucleus. It can be in any orbit that matches it's vibrations and speed. It cannot exist in those that don't match. You can't even define where it is at any given time because the Heisenburg Uncertainty Principle makes it impossible. Study up on quantum mechanics. You might hit closer to the mark. Your understanding of "science" is outdated. Just like Dr. H's understanding of what motivates males is outdated. Shad O'Shay >>> Oh I could tell you such a lot about science. Where would you like >>> to start? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > understanding of "science" is outdated. Just like Dr. H's > understanding of what motivates males is outdated. Don't I know your brother; Rick O'Shay? - He's a bouncer. > Don't I know your brother; Rick O'Shay? - He's a bouncer. ¿Él no es mi hermano, quizá primo perdido largo??? Shad O'Shay (shoulda been a Spanish teacher) >> Don't I know your brother; Rick O'Shay? - He's a bouncer. > > ¿Él no es mi hermano, quizá primo perdido largo??? Esta le testa nostra. > Shad O'Shay (shoulda been a Spanish teacher) Parlez-vous Francais monsieur? Je n'parle pas n'Espanol. (Un petit peut.) >>> Don't I know your brother; Rick O'Shay? - He's a bouncer. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Parlez-vous Francais monsieur? Je n'parle pas n'Espanol. > (Un petit peut.) Je parle beaucoup de langues avec le Babblefish, mon Cherie. Shad O'Shay >>>> Don't I know your brother; Rick O'Shay? - He's a bouncer. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Je parle beaucoup de langues avec le Babblefish, mon Cherie. LOL I wouldn't rely on Bablefish; it's not bad but neither is it that accurate at times. >> Oh I could tell you such a lot about science. Where would you like to >> start? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bud Dickman I'm a tad hesitant to go into quantum principles here at this time of the night; however just to say in summary that the distance of the electron from the neucleus is proportional to its energy level inasmuch as the lower the energy level of the electron the further the orbit from the neucleus. It is defined by the Bohr's Constant equation. I won't go into the wave/particle relationship and describe the relationship as seen both from the wave and the particle slant; in fact the above breif answer will be sufficient for this time as I'm utterly nackered. >>> Oh I could tell you such a lot about science. Where would you like >>> to start? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > in fact the above breif answer will be sufficient for this time as > I'm utterly nackered. Correction: The *higher* the energy level the further the electron's orbit from the nucleus. - You may note the tiredness creeping in due to lack of sleep, and I still have oodles of work to get done tonight. It's already gone 11PM in UK. 'have you ever considered that DILV is simply a sophisticated troll and is pretending to be religious to hook the likes of you and drag you all over USENET?' REPLY: Well, instead of her stalking me around Usenet, id settle to see her keep out of Hell. You too my misguided Friend . > 'have you ever considered that DILV is simply a sophisticated troll > and is pretending to be religious to hook the likes of you and drag > you all over USENET?' > > REPLY: Well, instead of her stalking me around Usenet, id settle to > see her keep out of Hell. You too my misguided Friend . I promise I won't wander over there, or to any other fictional locations. - 'Happy now? . > *Magick* with a*k* is utilising natural unseen supernatural forces and > directing them in worship/praise of their source, as well as in both > personal or joint will. Just like praying to God. God is supernatural yet natural and unseen. You're a kook! Steve > . >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just like praying to God. God is supernatural yet natural and unseen. Quite similar yes; but magick gives us the power to direct events and to cause circumstances and events both personally and naturally that are beneficial to all or to all concerned; whereas simply praying to your god is an "ask and hope" scenario. Having said that I have no doubt that prayers to your god are answered at times. : There is energy everywhere and in everything; and that energy is fuelled by belief and the power of worship to bring desire of whatever kind to fruition. Having said that though, simply asking and hoping is a rather hit ande miss situation. > You're a kook! > > Steve I'm a fairly good kook in the kitchen : Steak with herb seasoning, runner beans and new potatoes last night. I'm chucking the leftovers in together with some Bisto for a steak stew tonight. >> . >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > worship to bring desire of whatever kind to fruition. Having said that > though, simply asking and hoping is a rather hit ande miss situation. I don't pray to anyone or anything and there is no middleman in my mental control of things physical. I have amazing telekinetic powers and can will anything, good or bad, to happen. I channel all that energy in everything to power my RV across North America. The fuel tank is empty and has never been filled. It runs purely on telekinetic energy control. The propane stove cooks food without any propane or its associated dangers, purely by my telekinetic control. I have deflected asteroids from impending collision with earth, changed the course of mighty rivers, bent steel with my bare mind which is more powerful than a steaming locomotive. Yes, I use my amazing telekinetic powers to fight the never ending battle for truth, justic and the American way. Remember, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! >> You're a kook! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > beans and new potatoes last night. I'm chucking the leftovers in together > with some Bisto for a steak stew tonight. > I don't pray to anyone or anything and there is no middleman in my mental > control of things physical. I have amazing telekinetic powers and can will [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > justic and the American way. Remember, extremism in the defense of liberty > is no vice! - Please tell us that you don't wear Spandex tights, cause that will cause dave to grow a disgusting and shameful xtian woodie in his extremity >> I don't pray to anyone or anything and there is no middleman in my mental >> control of things physical. I have amazing telekinetic powers and can [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cause dave to grow a disgusting and shameful xtian woodie in his > extremity I do with a big "S" for Steve on the front of the shirt. |
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