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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / November 2007

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Gregory Hall - 21 Nov 2007 21:45 GMT
I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
electricity all night long. He uses the extra electricity to run his laptop
and watches DVD's. Never runs out of electricity even on a cloudy day
because of the floodlights.

Greg
Pepperoni - 21 Nov 2007 22:07 GMT
>I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
> Greg

He's pulling your leg.  The panels don't approach 100% efficiency, and
neither do the spotlights or batteries. You've described a "perpetual
motion" device, and it isn't so.
Hal - 23 Nov 2007 21:06 GMT
> >I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
> >floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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> neither do the spotlights or batteries. You've described a "perpetual
> motion" device, and it isn't so.

UNLESS he's uncovered a method of converting "Dark Matter" into useful
energy?
Hal
Steve - 21 Nov 2007 22:32 GMT
>I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
> Greg

I knew of a case where something similar to this actually did happen. A guy
was pulling a small, but useable amount of electricity off of his solar
panels during the night. Turns out he was parked right on top of an old
radium mill site, complete with tailings and the radioactivity striking the
panels generated electricity.

Is the boat located anywhere in the Bermuda triangle?

Steve
John Andrews - 22 Nov 2007 04:43 GMT
>> I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>> floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
> Steve

Not true.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Steve - 23 Nov 2007 03:26 GMT
>>> I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>>> floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
> John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

Radium gives off gamma rays:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium

Gamma rays can penetrate through solar panels, RVs and the like.

Solar panels respond to gamma rays:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999SPIE.3698..920H

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=4166955

http://www.health-physics.com/pt/re/healthphys/abstract.00004032-196706000-00005
.htm;jsessionid=HGGTtj2s6yfvysTSp1b3pN9jM5nlp3SRv43vZQMKG0qrDx34syPP!391776677!1
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The science is pretty solid and has been around since the 1960's. Solar
panels are used in mammography machines to detect x-rays. The levels needed
to get a response in a typical PV panel is about 100mR/hr which would be a
typical exposure on a radium pile.
John Andrews - 23 Nov 2007 05:37 GMT
>>>> I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>>>> floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999SPIE.3698..920H

"...22.7Mrad gamma irradiation .........."  This is 23 million
rad!  It takes only 400 to 600 rad to kill a person.  Get real.
 This report is irrelevant.

> http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=4166955

"...At an exposure dose rate of 1 roentgen per minute the
response was of the order of 10/sup -5/ volt ................"
 One roentgen per hour is huge, but a man can live with it for
months, then he dies a terrible death.  The current is 0.00001
volts.  No good for RV power.  Not real yet.  That means irrelevant.

> http://www.health-physics.com/pt/re/healthphys/abstract.00004032-196706000-00005
.htm;jsessionid=HGGTtj2s6yfvysTSp1b3pN9jM5nlp3SRv43vZQMKG0qrDx34syPP!391776677!1
81195629!8091!-1

"...a measuring method is suggested which makes it possible to
measure with high precision the generated photocurrent at zero
voltage applied at the detector which is independent of circuit
parameters and proportional to exposure rate over a wide range.
Measurements using this method are reported of exposure rates
ranging up to 105 R/hr of 30 kV X-rays of 0.09 mm A1 HVL, and
from approximately 1 to 30 R/hr of 60Co gamma-rays."

The currents being measured in these silicon radiation detectors
is on the order of picoamps for the radiation levels found from
natural radium deposits.  A picoamp is one millionth of one
millionth of an amp.  Not enough.  This report is also irrelevant.

> The science is pretty solid and has been around since the 1960's. Solar
> panels are used in mammography machines to detect x-rays. The levels needed
> to get a response in a typical PV panel is about 100mR/hr which would be a
> typical exposure on a radium pile.

I have not heard of solar panels being used in mammography
machines to detect x-rays.  Is there a reference.  Also, 100
mR/hr is unusually high for background radiation from radium.
It could occur, but is highly unlikely.  I have seen levels like
this from piles of ore in a processing facility, but not in nature.

Still not true.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Steve - 23 Nov 2007 16:33 GMT
>>>>> I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>>>>> floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them
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> deposits.  A picoamp is one millionth of one millionth of an amp.  Not
> enough.  This report is also irrelevant.

Picoamps would be on the order or less than thermal noise for these devices
since they are not cooled. Where do you see the reference to picoamps?

>> The science is pretty solid and has been around since the 1960's. Solar
>> panels are used in mammography machines to detect x-rays. The levels
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> I have not heard of solar panels being used in mammography machines to
> detect x-rays.  Is there a reference.

That would be solar detectors in a higher resolution grid. I'll get a good
reference for you.

Also, 100
> mR/hr is unusually high for background radiation from radium. It could
> occur, but is highly unlikely.  I have seen levels like this from piles of
> ore in a processing facility, but not in nature.

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/radioadaptive/ramsar.html

> Still not true.
>
> John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Lloyd Bonafide - 22 Nov 2007 18:06 GMT
>>I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>>floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
>Steve

He could get electricity at night if he was parked above the Arctic
Circle during the summer. I don't think the radium emissions were
generating electricity in those panels. They were pointed skyward,
away from the radium and the radium emssions would have to penetrate
metal, glass and probably the RV.  The electricity he got when it was
DARK out probably came from some type of induction from the Aurora
Borealis. Was they guy in Alaska when this all happened?

Lloyd
Gregory Hall - 22 Nov 2007 19:28 GMT
>>>I have a friend who has lots of big solar panels on his boat. He uses
>>>floodlights powered by the solar panels at night to keep them generating
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>
> Lloyd

Exactly!
 
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