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I just bought a used 1983 Lindy. I have no experience with motorhomes and need advice. How do I flush the systems? It looks like there are two water intake ports. Is one for potable water and the other shower & toilet? How do I charge the propane system? There is a tank with a Marshall Brass 2 stage LP regulator but I don't see where the local propane company would fill. I have the cabin battery out and getting charged right now. I bought this from a couple who had it a short time having purchased it to fix up and resell I believe. They can't tell me a lot about it. There's a microwave so that's going to draw a lot of power. I assume that can only be used when there's 120 VAC hookup. There's no generator in the generator compartment nor wiring for a generator. Is there typically a 120VAC inverter on board or are all the control circuits 12 VDC? Does the 12 V cabin battery get charged from the 120 VAC extension to outside power and/or the engines alternator? What does this cabin battery drive typically? Does one flush out the sanitary tanks or only empty that when full to some suggested level? Is the sanitary tank drain gravity or does it need to be pumped out at a campgrounds facility? I see online some Lindys have an aux gas tank. Where would I find indication if one is there? I see the roof cap for the propane heater & fridge is broken. Would rain getting in have damaged anything or is it designed to allow rain that gets in to get out? These are my first questions. I hope to have this in dependable shape for a Christmas week trip. Thanks for any advice you can give this newbie (did live on two submarines tho). Bill > I just bought a used 1983 Lindy. I have no experience with motorhomes > and need advice. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Bill REPLY: Theres a book thats ideal for newbies to RVing. Camping World has it. Also, Escapees RV Newsgroup has a wealth of info on it for maintenance and repair. If you want, you could take your Rig into a large RV Service Center and have them go over the various Equipment ; many offer a Service Special for doing so. Then youd be all set to roll on down the Boulevard. Bill, > I just bought a used 1983 Lindy. Lindy was a portion of the Skyline products. Unless someone here or at <rec.outdoors.rv-travel> has a matching unit noone will be able to give you specifics. > I have no experience with motorhomes and need advice. The advice to get books and local help will be the best information you will get here. > How do I flush the systems? Assuming you mean potable water, you run water though it until it runs clear and then maybe you dump in a little chlorine and run that until it is through and then let it sit for a while before running that out. >It looks like there are two water intake ports. Is one for potable >water and the other shower & toilet? Not likely, probably one is to fill the potable tank and the other supplies city water pressure to the system after the pump (so you don't have to run the pump when hooked up. > How do I charge the propane system? There is a tank with a Marshall > Brass 2 stage LP regulator but I don't see where the local propane > company would fill. There is a fitting that the charging station will know what is - Ask them when you get it filled. > I have the cabin battery out and getting charged right now. Good luck on that > I bought this from a couple who had it a short time having purchased > it to fix up and resell I believe. They can't tell me a lot about it. I hope you got it "effectively". > There's a microwave so that's going to draw a lot of power. I assume > that can only be used when there's 120 VAC hookup. You Got it. >There's no generator in the generator compartment nor wiring for a generator. > > Is there typically a 120VAC inverter on board? No > or are all the control circuits 12 VDC? Almost certainly. > Does the 12 V cabin battery get charged from the 120 VAC extension to > outside power If there is a converter/charger it will get charged from line power. > and/or the engines alternator? Most are set up to do this with an isolator that contains a pair of diodes. >What does this cabin battery drive typically? Interior lights, Potable water pump and maybe a fan or two. > Does one flush out the sanitary tanks or only empty that when full to > some suggested level? Flush it out when you are going to store it, otherwise dump it when you need to. > Is the sanitary tank drain gravity or does it need to be pumped out >at a campgrounds facility? Most black and gray tanks can be gravity dumped. This is vehicle specific and you may need to have someone that knows RV crawl around underneath and show you what is happening (remember how much you learned in the bilge?) > I see online some Lindys have an aux gas tank. Where would I find > indication if one is there? If there isn't a switch on the dash - no telling. > I see the roof cap for the propane heater & fridge is broken. Unlikely it does both. Propane heaters and water heaters usually vent nearby the unit and directly through the shipside. > Would rain getting in have damaged anything Yes, nothing that is inside was designed to be rained on. > or is it designed to allow rain that gets in to get back out? Not typically, and it may have let water in and damage any of the local structural wood. > These are my first questions. I hope to have this in dependable shape > for a Christmas week trip. Lots of luck there. > Thanks for any advice you can give this newbie (did live on two >submarines tho). > > Bill Matt Colie > I just bought a used 1983 Lindy. I have no experience with motorhomes > and need advice. > > How do I flush the systems? It looks like there are two water intake > ports. Is one for potable water and the other shower & toilet? Could one be for "bucket fill" and the other to attach a hose to? If one is behing a little door and doesn't have a hose coupling fitting, it's a "bucket fill" port. Pour about half a cup of diluted chlorine bleach into the port. Follow with more water. Hook the hose to the other port and fill the tank. Let is sit a few hours. Open the faucets and let it run out. If the holding tank starts backing up into the shower, close the faucets, attach the sewer hose to the motorhome then to the sewer outlet and open the valve (it's a "t" shaped thing). That should sanitize the system. If the chlorine residue is too much, mix up a baking soda solution, pour it into the "bucket fill" port then add more water as above and follow the rest of the instructions. > How do I charge the propane system? There is a tank with a Marshall > Brass 2 stage LP regulator but I don't see where the local propane > company would fill. If the tank is built in you will most definitely need to have it refitted. A 1983 unit will not have the current valve system and no propane dealer will fill it without a current OPD (overflow protection device)valve. OPD valves are triangular. If it's a removable tank, get rid of the one that came with it and buy a new tank of the same size with an OPD valve. > I have the cabin battery out and getting charged right now. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that can only be used when there's 120 VAC hookup. There's no > generator in the generator compartment nor wiring for a generator. You will only be able to use the microwave when hooked to shore power > Is there typically a 120VAC inverter on board or are all the control > circuits 12 VDC? Does the 12 V cabin battery get charged from the 120 > VAC extension to outside power and/or the engines alternator? What > does this cabin battery drive typically? There should be a converter, not inverter. A converter will take the 120 and make 12V to power lights so the battery doesn't drain. The coach battery powers the 12V system including cabin lights, water pump, furnace and refrigerator circuit boards. > Does one flush out the sanitary tanks or only empty that when full to > some suggested level? Is the sanitary tank drain gravity or does it > need to be pumped out at a campgrounds facility? The black water tank should only be emptied when the level is at least 2/3 full. NEVER leave the valve open when camped and hooked up to a sewer connection. Always make sure you flush using plenty of water. It's a good idea to let the gray tank fill if you know you are going to empty the black one soon. That way you can do black tank first and the gray water will "rinse" your sewer hose. The tank should drain with gravity. Make sure the hose connections are in good shape by testing them with plain water in the tank. Better than being surprised. > I see the roof cap for the propane heater & fridge is broken. Would > rain getting in have damaged anything or is it designed to allow rain > that gets in to get out? No, it is not designed to let the rain in. If water got in it could have rotted wood. > These are my first questions. I hope to have this in dependable shape > for a Christmas week trip. Thanks for any advice you can give this > newbie (did live on two submarines tho). Good luck, Bill. It's usually quite a challenge to restore an old RV when one knows something about RVs. You may have some mountains to climb before Christmas.  SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> How do I charge the propane system? There is a tank with a Marshall >> Brass 2 stage LP regulator but I don't see where the local propane >> company would fill. >If the tank is built in you will most definitely need to have it >refitted. A 1983 unit will not have the current valve system and no >propane dealer will fill it without a current OPD (overflow protection >device) valve. Janet, are you sure that's right? Seems I learned here that permanent, horizontal RV tanks do not need the new valve. GB in NC >>> How do I charge the propane system? There is a tank with a Marshall >>> Brass 2 stage LP regulator but I don't see where the local propane [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > GB in NC You may be right, but I wouldn't trust such an old tank. I'd refit it with a new valve anyway. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life I see where Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> contributed: >>> If the tank is built in you will most definitely need to have it >>> refitted. A 1983 unit will not have the current valve system and no >>> propane dealer will fill it without a current OPD (overflow protection >>> device) valve. GBinNC: >> Janet, are you sure that's right? Seems I learned here that permanent, >> horizontal RV tanks do not need the new valve. JW: >You may be right, but I wouldn't trust such an old tank. I'd refit it >with a new valve anyway. Much as it pains me to admit it, GB is probably right and you are dead wrong. From: http://www.rvtimes.com/arch/RVT90HTML/90whyOPD.html 'To clarify the OPD valve issue, if one has a horizontal, built-in propane tank in their RV, and it was built prior to October 1, 1998, that tank is exempted from needing an OPD in the US. (The exemption is contained in the US Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code document NFPA 58.)' Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > that tank is exempted from needing an OPD in the US. (The exemption is > contained in the US Liquefied Petroleum Gas Code document NFPA 58.)' As usual, Mr. Sill was so anxious to flame me that he failed to read my entire response to GB. It's included here. As for being "dead wrong" about replacing a fitting on a 25 year old tank with no available maintenance history, I'd rather be dead wrong, than just plain dead from an exploded tank. JMHO SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >As for being "dead wrong" about replacing a fitting on a 25 year old >tank with no available maintenance history, I'd rather be dead wrong, >than just plain dead from an exploded tank. JMHO I'm not arguing or even disagreeing, just trying to learn something here: What kind of maintenance history would one expect to find on an older horizontal tank (on my Class B, for example, which is a '95)? IOW, what kind of maintenance is there that I could have or should have been doing on it? GB in NC >> As for being "dead wrong" about replacing a fitting on a 25 year old >> tank with no available maintenance history, I'd rather be dead wrong, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > GB in NC Checking for leaks. It is not unusual for a regulator or valve to go bad. I would check with some soap mixture just to be safe. It's not exactly maintenance, but it should be part of your inspection routine. When we had the elderly Winnebago, we tested for leaks in the propane system every spring. We tested the valve and regulator as well as the exposed lines. One year we found that the valve was leaking. The rig was a little over 20 years old. Propane systems will still function if there is a small leak. I know this because my King of the Road had one in the line to the kitchen. We plugged it temporarily and got it fixed ASAP. I, personally, checked the valves and regulators in the fifth wheels and the motorhome annually. A few minutes,a little jar of bubble water and a paint brush is all it takes. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> IOW, what kind of maintenance is there that I could have or should have >> been doing on it? >> >> GB in NC >Checking for leaks. It is not unusual for a regulator or valve to go >bad. I would check with some soap mixture just to be safe. It had a leak once, not long after I got the van. I could smell it. Had the line replaced, and no more leak since. Where my van is parked, in my garage, I believe I would smell a propane leak quickly, because there's no air moving around to disperse it. One more advantage of parking it indoors.... GB in NC >> Janet, are you sure that's right? Seems I learned here that permanent, >> horizontal RV tanks do not need the new valve. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You may be right, but I wouldn't trust such an old tank. I'd refit it >with a new valve anyway. And as usual you are a fool dispensing bad advice. If you are genuinely worried about "such an old tank" then you should hydrotest it or get rid of it - the OPV isn't going to do anything to salvage a defective tank. If you are worried about overfilling then the most accurate way to prevent that is with the bleed fill valve. The real problem is that - as usual - Janet hasn't a clue what she is giving advice about. SignatureR.J.(Bob) Evans (return address needs alteration to work) http://travellingwithgeorge.blogspot.com/ Janet hasn't a clue what she is giving > advice about. ...and yet another member of the peanut gallery heard from. If you had any clues, you would have posted a response to the OP. Of course that would have meant being helpful and that is beyond your Grinchy disposition. Rather than help someone with your "vast store of absolutely correct knowledge" you lurk in the shadows waiting for one of the members of your "hit list" to lend a hand, then come up blasting. What a sad and sick person you are. You missed commenting about flushing the tanks and the water leak. Surely I couldn't have possibly been correct on that? After all, I've only been RVing for 20+ years, was published numerous times in RV magazines and e-zines, subscribe to the industry magazines, consulted to campground owners and RV dealers and fulltimed for 9 years. What have you done to have given you "a clue" SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life Snipped an extensive list of masturbation >What have you done to have given you "a clue" Made sure that the advice I post is factual SignatureR.J.(Bob) Evans (return address needs alteration to work) http://travellingwithgeorge.blogspot.com/ >Snipped an extensive list of masturbation > >>What have you done to have given you "a clue" > >Made sure that the advice I post is factual You ought to take your head out of Will's a.s. There's only room for one a.s hole in there. SignatureFrank Tabor > Janet hasn't a clue what she is giving >> advice about. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > What have you done to have given you "a clue" Janet, Thanks for taking the time to write about the propane tank and valve. Propane is a dangerous explosive and should be stored, used and handled with respect. Your advice is sound because it would cause the person to have the tank inspected as a whole by a qualified inspector. There seems to be a surplus of curmudgeons on this group whose only purpose is to poo-poo those who are judicious about safety and to attack anyone who introduces new ideas, methods, devices into the RV world. They seem to believe they "know it all" ("Since I haven't heard about it - it can't be true/exist/good/beneficial/etc"). What arrogance on the part of these people! The only knowledge is their knowledge, the only experience is their experience and the only way is their way. Why have these people shut off the outside world? Are they that weak in character that they can't tolerate something that is different and actually might be better? Are their self esteems that fragile? Can't those people work with others to a win-win ending? It doesn't seem that way. Again, thanks Janet, not only for the advice but for being a bit a fresh air amongst a bunch of old, stale, crotchety types. Your are the rose of alt.rv! Steve >Thanks for taking the time to write about the propane tank and valve. >Propane is a dangerous explosive and should be stored, used and handled with [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Steve Steve, I have been on this group for 6 years and I have NEVER seen anyone ignore the safety aspects of propane or any other issue. Yes, we have our crotchety types, Will, me and others who understand the safety issues. Will has offered posts on safe towing, in fact he has had many poo-poo his remarks. (these idiots are those who ask if they can tow their 33' Airstream with their Nissan Maxima, and then scream when told NO.) There was once a dickweed on here that insisted EVERY propane tank was going to 'splode soon. The facts to the contrary of course. I have spent over 50 hours researching propane-RV issues and have yet to find ONE spontaneous fire or explosion. Certainly propane fires have occurred but I have found very few that were caused by unsafe handling or storage. I was a certified ASQC engineer specializing in electronic components and systems. I realize this grants me no special information about propane but the science of ASQC applies in kind. I am also a degreed Physicist, Attorney and licensed Patent Attorney. Not bragging, just offering my bona fides. dean >>Thanks for taking the time to write about the propane tank and valve. >>Propane is a dangerous explosive and should be stored, used and handled [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > our crotchety types, Will, me and others who understand the safety > issues. Suppose someone did ignore the safety and was killed or severely injured and never posted to the group again? How would you know about them? But you do make my point about " I have been on this group for 6 years and I have NEVER seen anyone ignore the safety aspects of propane or any other issue." Your experience shows this to be so but does your experience alone make it true or universal? I happen to enjoy the crotchety types. They are usually a bucket of cold water splashed upon some type of idiocy. > Will has offered posts on safe towing, in fact he has had many poo-poo > his remarks. (these idiots are those who ask if they can tow their > 33' Airstream with their Nissan Maxima, and then scream when told NO.) Will is a brilliant man, I have enjoyed reading his posts for almost a year now. There are a good number of very knowledgeable, experienced people here. > There was once a dickweed on here that insisted EVERY propane tank was > going to 'splode soon. The facts to the contrary of course. I have > spent over 50 hours researching propane-RV issues and have yet to find > ONE spontaneous fire or explosion. Certainly propane fires have > occurred but I have found very few that were caused by unsafe handling > or storage. Propane can't spontaneously combust in a tank. It doesn't have the air/gas mix ratio. The tank can rupture violently from excess pressure or from a sudden failure. When the propane gets to the right air mix it can burn. Grain elevators explode nicely from dust. Grain is safer than propane. Maybe metallic propane undegoing a phase change could somehow reach a molecular instability, but this is not in the realm of RVing. > I was a certified ASQC engineer specializing in electronic components > and systems. I realize this grants me no special information about > propane but the science of ASQC applies in kind. I am also a degreed > Physicist, Attorney and licensed Patent Attorney. Not bragging, just > offering my bona fides. Quality control is not design or synthesis, it is keeping a process in check through mathematical analysis and knowledge of the process. Anyone can take the title of "engineer", even people without a degree in it. Your knowledge of physics is indeed very helpful in understanding the basics of combustion and other things RV. I believe that Patent Attorneys are one of the very few types of lawyering that actually create wealth, beside defending it. You are obviously a man of diverse talent, experience and a wonderful asset to this group. I am pleased to know a bit about you Dave and I think very favorably of you. I look forward to some great dialogue in the future! Steve > dean >Suppose someone did ignore the safety and was killed or severely injured and >never posted to the group again? How would you know about them? But you do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >or universal? I happen to enjoy the crotchety types. They are usually a >bucket of cold water splashed upon some type of idiocy. Steve, This forum is hardly the final word on RV/Propane safety. There are a number of authoritative groups that maintain data regarding accidents of all kinds including those of RV/propane. I don't have any cites at hand but I have checked them and can state that propane related deaths in RVs are about the lowest cause. Electrical fires outnumber propane by a huge margin. Of course traffic accidents are far more prevalent. >> Will has offered posts on safe towing, in fact he has had many poo-poo >> his remarks. (these idiots are those who ask if they can tow their [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >metallic propane undegoing a phase change could somehow reach a molecular >instability, but this is not in the realm of RVing. Metallic propane? Your lack of high school chemistry is showing. Propane is a hydrocarbon and is a gas at STP and a liquid under pressure. Oh, STP=Standard Temperature and Pressure. As to grain elevators, I used to live one block from the Jolly Time Popcorn factory in Sioux City, Iowa. It would blow on a regular basis. I also was nearby when the Swift Packing plant blew sky high (literally) in about 1951. The gas explosion blew two complete sides of the 3-4 storey building completely away. A number of people were killed, including my sister's boss. >Quality control is not design or synthesis, it is keeping a process in check >through mathematical analysis and knowledge of the process. Anyone can take [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >group. I am pleased to know a bit about you Dave and I think very favorably >of you. I look forward to some great dialogue in the future! My thanks for the kind words. We try. Lord knows we try! >Steve > >> dean I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed, following some inane remarks by "Steve" <wondersteve@gmail.com>, who wrote in part: >>There seems to be a surplus of curmudgeons on this group whose only purpose >>is to poo-poo those who are judicious about safety and to attack anyone who [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>Again, thanks Janet, not only for the advice but for being a bit a fresh air >>amongst a bunch of old, stale, crotchety types. Your are the rose of alt.rv! Dean writes in part: >I have been on this group for 6 years and I have NEVER seen anyone >ignore the safety aspects of propane or any other issue. Yes, we have [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >occurred but I have found very few that were caused by unsafe handling >or storage. I chose to ignore Steve's ignorant post, but I'm glad someone took the trouble to challenge. I have, from time to time, mentioned my own credentials, which include many years as a Safety Engineer, and the fact that I have a half-century of rv experience. But more important, I have the advantage of bringing some sense to the questions asked here. Some (Harry Harris comes to mind) are virtually paranoid about the dangers of propane, and their unreasonable fears are simple foolish. Others advocate and practice reckless disregard for safety, citing their long experience with (for example) unsafe towing combinations. A common trait: assuming _their_ beliefs trump all others. They seem not to know the difference between dumb luck and good practices. I used to shock so-called safety professionals by ridiculing goofy slogans like "Safety Is Our Number One Priority" - pointing out that while successful safety programs are essential, they are merely a PART of any successful venture. Total "safety" is an illusion. The intelligent person assesses risks and takes prudent actions to avoid injury, but he does NOT hide in a cave because lightning _might_ strike. People like Janet imagine themselves to be experts because they have written some stuff that got published, or they went to a certain school. One cannot get all the answers to life's persistent questions by asking "the guys" in cyberspace to spoon feed advice when needed. Message to "Steve": you need to learn to separate chocolate for dog poo. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed, following some > inane remarks by "Steve" <wondersteve@gmail.com>, who wrote in part: [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Thanks for investing the time to voice your opinion Will. I have lurked here for a few months and only started posting recently. I did not realize that you were a safety officer. I did see the advice you gave as sound with a bit of curmudgeony entertainment. Please don't ever lose that. Besides factual knowledge there is a bit of lively entertainment here, especially if one reads into the messages a little. Your advice that safety is a ongoing thought process that involves weighing risks is spot on. Ignorance and laziness are the biggest causes of unsafe conditions. I can understand your comment about people who have to be "spoon fed" on every instance. I believe people are like that because they lack an underlying life philosophy that promotes self reliance and personal responsibility. If people here stressed that more in their replies I believe it would make a few people better. I also believe that that is the underlying philosophy of RVing - Self Reliance, Simplicity and Understanding. These three things are the only tools needed for a life of true contentment. Witness those rambling down the highway in giant RVs with everything they have in their home now on wheels and they claim to be escaping it. No, they are simply deluding themselves. The contented RVer needs only 2 burners, a heater and some form of cooling. A simple table that folds down into a bed is adequate. Small stoves to prepare simple, easily digestable meals that do not distress the gut. No Disney style RV parks, but a simple secluded spot along roadways that cut through nature's offerings. After careful thought I tend to agree with what you say about people like Janet. Expertise comes from within and from doing, it does not come through others. The measure of expertise is self reliance, the measure of competency is simplicity and the key to all answers is understanding. Thinking back to Janet's follies and her actions I think she has a ways to go to truly be content with herself and RVing. I tip my hat to you Will. Steve >Thanks for investing the time to voice your opinion Will. I have lurked here >for a few months and only started posting recently. I did not realize that >you were a safety officer. I did see the advice you gave as sound with a bit >of curmudgeony entertainment. Please don't ever lose that. Anybody placing bets as to how long before Will blows off Steve like he has everybody else? (Tip to Steve: Don't disagree with something Will says he KNOWS. He just can't handle it.) GB in NC >>Thanks for investing the time to voice your opinion Will. I have lurked here >>for a few months and only started posting recently. I did not realize that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > GB in NC He also lies big time. His use of the "plonk" key is his way to avoid discussions he is losing. Makes him a chicken sh.t hypocrite in my book. There are lots of neocons posting here who have the guts to not only read but also post rebuttals. Not that they are very often right of course but most certainly are mostly "right". <vvbg> Hugh > Anybody placing bets as to how long before Will blows off Steve like he > has everybody else? Let Steve find out like the rest of us did. He thinks kissing up to ol' Will will get him "brownie points." You and I and countless other long-timers will laugh our socks off when Will slaps him upside the head. I got a huge laugh at his worming his way into Will's heart by trashing me. I know far more about RVing than the toilet paper "safety officer" who has taken a few trips here and there. At least he didn't call himself an "engineer" again. <vbg> SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> Anybody placing bets as to how long before Will blows off Steve like he >> has everybody else? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > has taken a few trips here and there. At least he didn't call himself an > "engineer" again. <vbg> Will would never blow me off, he seems like a decent fellow. As far as "brownie points" go, I sense a little jealousy here. Will is free to like or dislike - whatever he pleases. I see absolutely no reason why he should slap me or anyone else upside the head. That just isn't civil is it? I think Will likes being thought of as a crotchety curmudgeon and that's fine with me. I'm not trashing anyone. I just read some old posts about a roll over accident and how it was explained. It seems poor Will is the guy getting trashed and possibly me for giving the guy some credit. If Will is an engineer he should be proud of it. Engineers create the most value of any profession. They design bridges, medical devices, develop new processes and make neat new ringtones for phones. A safety officer is a job with deep responsibilities. Who knows how many lives Will saved over the course of his career. It may have even been your life or mine. A thoughtful "thank you" to Will may be in order. I bet it would anger the Will haters to no end if he is always polite and helpful to me rather than being what you characterize. We are all getting up there in years, the price of fuel will soon be sky high so the few remaining years left of RVing should be nothing but good memories instead of claws and venom. Let's try being nice to guys like Will and poor Harry Harris. Steve >Will would never blow me off, he seems like a decent fellow. As far as >"brownie points" go, I sense a little jealousy here. Will is free to like or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >memories instead of claws and venom. Let's try being nice to guys like Will >and poor Harry Harris. That's a great piece of satire.... GB in NC On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:33:06 -0700, "Steve" <wondersteve@gmail.com> wrote: A stupid troll that caught my fancy due to its offhanded slap at Will and that made me want to play along too.....Sorry. Whooooooosh >Will would never blow me off, he seems like a decent fellow. True, as long as you can suck as hard as you are doing here. It is pretty clear who is blowing who. > I see absolutely no reason why he should slap me or anyone else upside > the head. That just isn't civil is it? No, and he is flush with ideas, and so lovable and squeezable, he's Charmin. And you are an a.s Wipe, so one would expect the two of you to be just like carrots and peas. > If Will is an engineer he should be proud of it. Engineers create the most > value of any profession. The operative word here is 'IF'. > A safety officer is a job with deep responsibilities. Who knows how many > lives Will saved over the course of his career. It may have even been > your life or mine. I can't speak to 'saving my life', but he may have helped save my a.s. I think of him from time to time, usually when I'm changing a roll of TP. > A thoughtful "thank you" to Will may be in order. I bet it would anger the > Will haters to no end if he is always polite and helpful to me rather than > being what you characterize. You have misspelled "astound". >We are all getting up there in years, the price of fuel will soon be sky >high so the few remaining years left of RVing should be nothing but good >memories instead of claws and venom. Let's try being nice to guys like Will >and poor Harry Harris. Getting up there in years? Speak for yourself Steve, I'm either a 38 year old Steam Fitter living in a 45' Startracks Fiver as my job takes me around the country or his 16 year old daughter who is fooling around on her Dad's computer while he is reading Sci Fi while taking a dump. Why do guys do that? Not take a dump, you perv, but read for an hour while doing it? It is by far not the most comfortable seat in the trailer. Perhaps you and Will can collaborate and write a treatise on the subject. Because if anyone knows sh.t, it is you two. Either way Steve, who I am is beside the point, we know who you are. You are a nym shifting troll, perhaps a sock puppet, for sure an Idjit, (my, isn't Willard the Wonderful's little spelling errors cute?) and an a.s kisser to boot. <g> Gotta go, the old man is coming back and thanks to Will's hard work he didn't get a splinter in his a.s or have a tear through and get sh.t under his fingernails. Ya gotta love engineers. Carry on, Steve. But poking fun at Will as you are doing will not win you any points with him. He IS smart enough to see through your little ploy. Remember for some people "sh.t Happens" while the rest of us make sh.t happen. Toodles, Joycelyn > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:33:06 -0700, "Steve" <wondersteve@gmail.com> > wrote: A stupid troll that caught my fancy due to its offhanded slap [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Toodles, > Joycelyn What a strange individual. You could put the name calling aside and just tell me what your problem is, as I don't see any point in what you have written. I forgive you for your caustic remarks hope that you have only had a bad day rather than a bad nature. If you look for the goodness in others your day will be a bit brighter. If you do have anger issues please talk to someone as you are not doing yourself or others any good when you act out on your anger and try to conceal it. If it helps you any, besides forgiveness, I also offer internet friendship. A society of healthy, functional individuals is a win-win for everyone - you included!!! Steve >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:33:06 -0700, "Steve" <wondersteve@gmail.com> >> wrote: A stupid troll that caught my fancy due to its offhanded slap [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > >Steve Steve, JT Tyree has only posted once ever on the internet. If you look at the header you'll see it's Frank doing nym shifting. Just ignore people like him. Lloyd >>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:33:06 -0700, "Steve" <wondersteve@gmail.com> >>> wrote: A stupid troll that caught my fancy due to its offhanded slap >>> at Will and that made me want to play along too.....Sorry. >JT Tyree has only posted once ever on the internet. If you look at the >header you'll see it's Frank doing nym shifting. Just ignore people >like him. > >Lloyd Frank who? Certainly not me. >What a strange individual. You could put the name calling aside and just >tell me what your problem is, as I don't see any point in what you have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Steve Steve, I have been chided for saying Will is, to me, innocuous, often humorous and somewhat informative. I also note that the majority if not all his detractors spew hate and bile towards Will and numerous others. It is also interesting that they all seem to have a liberal political position. But then, I dislike almost no one. I do have a few buffoons kill-filed, but I don't dislike them, rather, I don't want to be subjected to the constant hate and lies. dean >> What a strange individual. You could put the name calling aside and just >> tell me what your problem is, as I don't see any point in what you have [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > dean Personally, I enjoy Will's barbs. He is mostly correct. I have only seen him wrong one time in many years, so I generally respect his opinion. Steve, it seems is an optimist rather than a pessimist. According the the Wall Street Journal today (Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007) optimists can be a problem, but so far Steve has not been. A little wordy, but otherwise a nice guy. Of course, name calling and ad hominem attacks are never appreciated and we should all avoid them as much as possible as part of the normal news group etiquette. If you don't like the responder, do like I do and add him to the filter list. John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee >>> What a strange individual. You could put the name calling aside and just >>> tell me what your problem is, as I don't see any point in what you have [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee Thanks John and Dean for the kind words. I don't kill file people, I can just ignore them. I was beginning to get the impression that this group was some type of clique-cult type of place but apparently that is not so. I'm not really an optimist as described in the WSJ article, I'm more of the type who plans for the worst and hopes for the best. I always try to cover the downside as much as possible as blunders cost much more than near misses. I think Will is very entertaining, knowledgeable and I hope I haven't offended the crusty old guy. His detractors have a real axe to grind for whatever reason. Again, thanks for both of your inputs they have made a positive difference. Steve >>>> What a strange individual. You could put the name calling aside and just >>>> tell me what your problem is, as I don't see any point in what you have [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >Steve Yes, I'm sure they have. It brought a tear to my eye just reading it. Time for a group hug, guys, go ahead and swap spit. I can tell you're working up to it. Thank goodness this isn't a binary group! Oh, you need to learn how to read headers before you point fingers, and learn to trim posts too. The hvac1 guy posted 100 lines with only 3 lines in his reply. Now that is real cool, damn cold, in fact. And demonstrates a total lack of couth. My message was re-posted twice in its entirety. So I'll do the same and leave it all in. To hell with courtesy and etiquette, lets waste bandwidth for the cell phone people on this group. What a bunch of ignorant noobs you guys are turning out to be. I learned something new here today. I now know what a circle-jerk is. This beats Facebook hands down. You noobs are a hoot! Toodles, Joycelyn > Yes, I'm sure they have. It brought a tear to my eye just reading it. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Toodles, > Joycelyn I can't tell if you are being sarcastic but I do know hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays virtue and I thank you very much! Steve >I can't tell if you are being sarcastic but I do know hypocrisy. Hypocrisy >is the tribute that vice pays virtue and I thank you very much! > >Steve You are quite welcome, Steve. I felt it my duty to point out that you were inconsiderate to the NG while sucking up to Willie and trying to claim the high ground. What a joke, what hypocrisy. "I'm the nice guy here, so what if I re-post hundreds of lines of old posts, over and over again." That, old man, is hypocrisy. So was taking a cheap shot at Janet. You sir, are the hypocrite. And a dunce too, if you can't see it. Welcome to an un-moderated NG where anarchy reigns. You have the right to post anything you want, and if others agree, or don't agree, they can and will do as they please. Some will ignore, some will filter, some will respond, and some will attack without provocation. I fit in there somewhere, categorize me as you will. Surely you weren't serious with the post I first responded to. I saw it as an offhand slap at Wonderful Willie the Wise. And a sneaky, spineless attack on Janet too, all couched in your 'goody' little attitude. You sir, are also a spineless a.s, shall we say a spineless hypocritical a.s. I let the attack on Janet pass, Janet can take care of herself. I see that she has responded. Is there an apology to Janet forthcoming? Probably not. I can tell by that big brown stain around your pie hole. I haven't seen it, but anyone who has been following this digression knows that it is there. I had fun with your Noobie post and your suck-up attitude to Willie. Sucking up to Willie while slapping at Janet, and you are trying to claim the high ground, what a hypocrite. (With thanks and attribution to Don Lampson from another group), HAW-HAW-HAW. Either way, I had some fun with it. And some fun with you guys. Thanks for trimming your post. Would you have started doing it if I hadn't pointed it out, hadn't chastised you, and called you a Noob? And if so, why hadn't you already started trimming? Ignorance? Poor manners? Lack of consideration? Or just some stupid twit sock puppet totally focused on taking a swipe at Janet? That is a game two can play, and you sir are a novice. But this is no innocuous sneaky swipe, it is directly in your face. Stay on, or unde,r the porch, but if you must come out---Trim posts where possible. For a sock puppet you still have a lot to learn. With that, I'm gone. Carry on! Joycelyn >>I can't tell if you are being sarcastic but I do know hypocrisy. Hypocrisy >>is the tribute that vice pays virtue and I thank you very much! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > were inconsiderate to the NG while sucking up to Willie and trying to > claim the high ground. Thanks for speaking on behalf of the newsgroup. I will make a note that you are the spokesman, were you elected or did you appoint yourself? What a joke, what hypocrisy. "I'm the nice > guy here, so what if I re-post hundreds of lines of old posts, over > and over again." That, old man, is hypocrisy. So was taking a cheap > shot at Janet. You sir, are the hypocrite. And a dunce too, if you > can't see it. What is your point here? Instead of dragging people down shouldn't you be bringing them up? > Welcome to an un-moderated NG where anarchy reigns. You have the > right to post anything you want, and if others agree, or don't agree, > they can and will do as they please. Some will ignore, some will > filter, some will respond, and some will attack without provocation. I > fit in there somewhere, categorize me as you will. But you just admonished me for posting as I please. What are the rules? Since you are the spokesman you could be so polite as to enumerate them. I really don't categorize people. I see them all as unique in some sort of way. To categorize someone is an insult. I don't see why you insult yourself. I think you are special and want to work things out. I believe we can. > Surely you weren't serious with the post I first responded to. I saw > it as an offhand slap at Wonderful Willie the Wise. And a sneaky, > spineless attack on Janet too, all couched in your 'goody' little > attitude. You sir, are also a spineless a.s, shall we say a spineless > hypocritical a.s. First you accuse me of sucking up to Willie and then slapping him. You seem confused, but it is difficult for some to express themselves. I'm encouraged that you are trying and I'm not offended in the least. We can work through this and I can tell you are starting to feel better. > I let the attack on Janet pass, Janet can take care of herself. I see > that she has responded. Is there an apology to Janet forthcoming? Can you quote the attack? Why must you drag the poor woman into this? You said she could defend herself but now you don't even have the respect for her to let her do that. I think you should apologize to Janet for that or is it that you really don't respect her? > Probably not. I can tell by that big brown stain around your pie > hole. I haven't seen it, but anyone who has been following this > digression knows that it is there. Insults only drag the insulter down, is that what you wish to do to yourself? > I had fun with your Noobie post and your suck-up attitude to Willie. > Sucking up to Willie while slapping at Janet, and you are trying to > claim the high ground, what a hypocrite. (With thanks and attribution > to Don Lampson from another group), HAW-HAW-HAW. But you also said I was slapping at Willie. You accuse me of two contradictory things. You are very confused. Think linearly. > Either way, I had some fun with it. And some fun with you guys. I am pleased that there is joy in your life. I am also pleased that I am the one to bring it to you. I hope we can work on true joy where it is a win-win for everyone. > Thanks for trimming your post. Would you have started doing it if I > hadn't pointed it out, hadn't chastised you, and called you a Noob? > And if so, why hadn't you already started trimming? Ignorance? Poor > manners? Lack of consideration? Or just some stupid twit sock puppet > totally focused on taking a swipe at Janet? You are again arguing two sides, neither of which has happened when you made your argument. Why must you hedge with me? I don't understand why you are so uncertain of yourself. Confidence comes from trust and it would help you to begin trusting me. Trust is the basic social contract upon which all healthy human interaction is based. You don't desire to be unhealthy do you? You realize all your interactions could become unhealthy which isn't very nice. > That is a game two can play, and you sir are a novice. But this is no > innocuous sneaky swipe, it is directly in your face. I'm beginning to detect that you may be trying to insult or denigrate me in some sort of underhanded way, though I could be wrong here. You may wish to try, but an insult only works if your opponent understands it. Your audience may see the joke but if your target doesn't isn't that falling a bit short? I am having difficulty understanding your point because you argue two sides and obviously hedge what you say. Get some confidence! You can do it! > Stay on, or unde,r the porch, but if you must come out---Trim posts > where possible. For a sock puppet you still have a lot to learn. I find it hard to trim your posts because what you say is so essential and important, otherwise you wouldn't say it. I don't want to devalue you in any way so if you would take the time to trim your posts as you see fit I'm sure you could satisfy yourself. For me, I'm just happy as I am. I realize that I can't please everyone all the time and the attempt to do so is folly. I hope you can realize that too so you can stop being so persistant in instructing others and pretending to be spokesman for others. It is impossible to make everyone please you and the sooner you learn this the less fustrated you will be. There's goodness in almost everyone - you included - and I'm sure someday we will all see it. > With that, I'm gone. Go in peace and safety my good person! My thoughts are with you!! If we meet some day I know we will be friends. > Carry on! > > Joycelyn That is a beautiful name, many intelligent and beautiful women have it. It is so refreshing when one sees beauty and goodness in life. Thanks for the ray of sunshine! Sometimes, when a person's insulin level gets too low or too high, they get all grumpy and discombobulated. That, coupled with nerve degeneration and muscular atrophy can make for a very unpleasant time. Sometimes it isn't one's fault and there are good reasons for being grouchy. I hope you are touched by many rays of sunshine and your partner learns that it is you, not their reputation, that needs attention and LOVE. My prayers and sympathy are with you. Steve > Will would never blow me off, he seems like a decent fellow. ROFLMAO! Steve, sweetie, you haven't a clue how many friendships he has blown off over the years. GB was one, I was another. There are countless others. I've been on these groups since 1995. You have much to learn, dear, but don't worry, GB and I and a few others will be here to smooth your feathers and welcome you into the community of Will's cast-offs (which, BTW, outnumber his friends by a huge majority) <As far as > "brownie points" go, I sense a little jealousy here. Will is free to like or > dislike - whatever he pleases. I see absolutely no reason why he should slap > me or anyone else upside the head. That just isn't civil is it? I think Will > likes being thought of as a crotchety curmudgeon and that's fine with me. Me, jealous of Will???? My sides are aching from laughing so hard. He's a barely educated high school graduate who was a "safety officer" (he stopped calling himself an "engineer" when he was constantly called on the carpet for not having any credentials) in a toilet paper plant. When it comes to TP, I will grant him the expertise. When it comes to other stuff, he's hardly the smartest cookie in the Usenet box. Once in a while he gets it right. The rest of the time he mumbles his "safety" mantra and hopes newbies like you will swoon over him. > I'm not trashing anyone. I just read some old posts about a roll over > accident and how it was explained. It seems poor Will is the guy getting [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > career. It may have even been your life or mine. A thoughtful "thank you" to > Will may be in order. Steve, you are better than any sitcom for entertainment! Will is NOT an engineer. He's never driven a train, unless you can count the one powered by the Maytag washing machine <vbg> He never went to college. He checked people's helmets in a toilet paper factory. For all we know he made sure the floors were clean so no one tripped on loose rolls of paper. In 12+ years on Usenet, I've never seen him describe his duties. He just puffs out his chest and claims to be whatever he thinks will persuade people he knows what he's talking about. I bet it would anger the Will haters to no end if he > is always polite and helpful to me rather than being what you characterize. You know what, sweetie, I wouldn't have bothered with you except for your little shot at me in your sock puppet post. If you are going to play in my sand box (Usenet) you'd better learn the rules. > We are all getting up there in years, the price of fuel will soon be sky > high so the few remaining years left of RVing should be nothing but good > memories instead of claws and venom. Let's try being nice to guys like Will > and poor Harry Harris. I agree, but the claws and venom are Will's. He makes up stories when he doesn't have an intelligent response. IOW, if he can't best the poster, he'll trash the poster. Harry is a sorry fellow. I have nothing but sympathy for him. In his own way, I think he means well and believes that propane is a killer. Will doesn't mean well. He won't even archive his posts. He insists he filters people yet he responds to them anyway and makes up some BS about "having reset them" I'm supposed to be in his filter and yet he can't keep himself from responding to my posts or making up stories about our accident to make himself sound smart. Truth is we did have an accident. We hydroplaned on a wet road with an oil slick. We were going well below the speed limit and we walked away with a few scratches even though the truck and trailer were totaled. My DH is a great driver and his actions saved us. I've offered Will a copy of the police report several times, but he's not at all interested in the truth. Is he still your hero? We were in our 10th year of fulltiming and had been RVing for decades before that with no incidents at all - not even a blowout. Stuff happens and anyone who would take a tragedy like that and make up stories just to torment the survivor and make her look bad is cruel and nasty. So much for your "hero" Stick around, honey, and you'll see for yourself. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> Will would never blow me off, he seems like a decent fellow. >ROFLMAO! Steve, sweetie, you haven't a clue how many friendships he has >blown off over the years. GB was one, I was another. There are countless >others. Don't forget Lon, who for a long time was Will's only remaining friend and staunch defender (some here referred to him derisively as "Will's lapdog" for his unflagging loyalty and devotion to his master and mentor). And then Lon said something a year or two ago that pissed Will off, and their friendship was suddenly history and has not recovered even slightly. >Me, jealous of Will???? My sides are aching from laughing so hard. He's >a barely educated high school graduate Nope. High school dropout, according to Will himself. Steve has a lot to learn regarding Will. It'll be fun watching. GB in NC I see where Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> is still the kind, honest, knowledgeable contributor willing to bare her claws: >ROFLMAO! Steve, sweetie, you haven't a clue how many friendships he has >blown off over the years. GB was one, I was another. There are countless [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >while he gets it right. The rest of the time he mumbles his "safety" >mantra and hopes newbies like you will swoon over him. >Steve, you are better than any sitcom for entertainment! Will is NOT an >engineer. He's never driven a train, unless you can count the one [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Stick around, honey, and you'll see for yourself. Just leaving on a trip, but I want Janet to know how much I appreciate her self-revelation. Amazing she hasn't plonked me by now! And BTW I was a Safety Engineer (never used "safety officer") and did other engineering work for many years. Sorry she got that wrong. Enjoy. Will Sill I post to help rv'ers and to annoy the snot outa idjits, morons and liberal kooks. If you're annoyed, check yer mirror to see why. PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. >PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. So now you claim to be a ceritfied wreck investigator? With your third grade diploma? You are a lying sack of sh.t. You weren't there, and have no idea of the circumstances. >>PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >>combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. > > So now you claim to be a ceritfied wreck investigator? With your > third grade diploma? You are a lying sack of sh.t. You weren't > there, and have no idea of the circumstances. That's okay Frank. Will is one of the jerks who have made rort a cesspool. Now he wants to do the same with alt.rv. You and GB are absolutely correct, he is neither qualified or justified in "investigating" Janet's wreck, actually I believe Barry was driving. Hugh - who won't see neocon dribble <bg> >>>PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >>>combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >"investigating" Janet's wreck, actually I believe Barry was driving. >Hugh - who won't see neocon dribble <bg> sh.t, You two have done a hellova lot more to drag this forum down than Will by a long way. He is crasty, you two are hateful. Why don't you crawl up each others a.s until you can speak for the other. dean >sh.t, You two have done a hellova lot more to drag this forum down >than Will by a long way. He is crasty, you two are hateful. Why >don't you crawl up each others a.s until you can speak for the other. Get lost deano!! Sill is an ugly piece of dogshit; and you're licking his butt like a ravenous dawg! >> sh.t, You two have done a hellova lot more to drag this forum down >> than Will by a long way. He is crasty, you two are hateful. Why >> don't you crawl up each others a.s until you can speak for the other. > > Get lost deano!! Sill is an ugly piece of dogshit; and you're licking > his butt like a ravenous dawg! Way to go Stan! SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >>PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >>combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. > >So now you claim to be a ceritfied wreck investigator? With your >third grade diploma? You are a lying sack of sh.t. You weren't >there, and have no idea of the circumstances. Frank, I amazed at your intimate knowledge of M. Sill's educational record, supplemental training, book-learning, practical experience and more past achievements. Have you somehow gotten his records and read his employment records? If not, provide your bona fides, else STFU. Now post your ad hominem attack on me. dean >>> PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >>> combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > dean Frank's "records" are the years of Will Sill's posting on rec.outdoors.rv-travel. Will, knowing that he lies, treats newbies with disdain, and can't answer a question without an insult, refuses to archive his posts so no one can quote from them. If he was such a paragon of virtue, why would he refuse to let his posts be archived? Those of us, like GB and Hugh who have been on the RV Usenet groups for many, many years are quite aware of Will's deceptions. You may think what you like, Dean. I really don't care as long as you leave me out of it. Little Stevie didn't and I gave him his due. His ensuing posts are drivel and don't deserve response. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >Little Stevie didn't and I gave him his due. His ensuing posts are > drivel and don't deserve response. But he does deserve an honorable mention as you have just given! Can I expect more of your husband posing as "Jocelyn" to try and bite me on the ankles? My day is even brighter now! A man is better judged by his enemies than his friends. Steve > >Little Stevie didn't and I gave him his due. His ensuing posts are >> drivel and don't deserve response. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Steve Steve, I was through with you until this post. You are as clueless as a bucket of dead chickens. First, let me answer your other posts to me that I felt didn't deserve an answer. OK, sure, why not, yep, uh-huh, yeah, whatever, fine, if you say so, , and once again, Whatever. What a uninformed Twat you are, girlie man. Steve asks, "Why can't we all just get along??" 1) This is Usenet, I can do as I please and it pleases me to make fun of you. And it is so damned easy that it is no fun, you Noob.That is why I didn't respond to your earlier sweet, saccharine, little feeble attempts to be funny and nasty at the same time. 2) Because you are a sniveling, whiney suck-up a.s kisser. I like that in a man. I don't respect it, but I like it. Guys like you will eat a huge ration of sh.t while trying to get into my pants and then cry like the baby they really are when I dump them. A real man would drag you through the crack of his a.s and make a real turd head out of you. And you would probably apologize for loss of suction passing through and beg for another try. From what I've read of your postings it is obvious that you have no Nads and have absolutely no use for any. You are no doubt a 'Sensitive Man' attuned to a woman's needs. And no doubt cuckolded fairly regularly as your woman (if one has decided to use you for security) has her needs fulfilled by a real man who carries a set. Whine on, Luser. If you can't sack up and quit whining about a kinder, gentler NG, you should post as Stephanie. You are the kind of guy my mother warned me about. "Honey, you already have a pussy, don't marry one!" Toodles, Joycelyn > Steve, I was through with you until this post. You are as clueless as > a bucket of dead chickens. Col Sanders made millions being clueless! > First, let me answer your other posts to me that I felt didn't deserve > an answer. I see you are turning a positive side. Thanks for contributing! > Steve asks, "Why can't we all just get along??" > > 1) This is Usenet, I can do as I please and it pleases me to make fun > of you. And it is so damned easy that it is no fun, you Noob.That is > why I didn't respond to your earlier sweet, saccharine, little feeble > attempts to be funny and nasty at the same time. So you have decided to take the easy road now. That's not a good way to build character. > I don't respect it, but I like it. Same rationale used when you said someone could defend themself and then you tried to do it for them. I like consistency. Sometimes it is the hallmark of a small mind, but I don't want to believe that in this case. > A real man would drag you through the crack of his a.s and make a real > turd head out of you. And you would probably apologize for loss of > suction passing through and beg for another try. From what I've read > of your postings it is obvious that you have no Nads and have > absolutely no use for any. Why is that a concern for you? You seem fixated on men's genitals. It is a good trait to show concern for others as a whole but not good to fixate on body parts, especially naughty ones. > You are no doubt a 'Sensitive Man' attuned to a woman's needs. And no > doubt cuckolded fairly regularly as your woman (if one has decided to > use you for security) has her needs fulfilled by a real man who > carries a set. Whine on, Luser. I love it when a woman talks so dirty and mean. I am getting attracted to you Jocelyn. > If you can't sack up and quit whining about a kinder, gentler NG, you > should post as Stephanie. We should all be kind and gentle. This is not a place for hatred or character assassination. Maybe we should discuss you moving on to another more appropriate newsgroup where you could be with people you can relate to better. > You are the kind of guy my mother warned me about. "Honey, you > already have a pussy, don't marry one!" Are you proposing to me? By all means, I accept! You are everything I wanted in a woman and even more!! When is the big day? > Toodles, > Joycelyn >> dean > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >If he was such a paragon of virtue, why would he refuse to let his posts >be archived? I have no clue about how to, or not to archive so that means nothing to me. >Those of us, like GB and Hugh who have been on the RV Usenet groups for >many, many years are quite aware of Will's deceptions. You may think >what you like, Dean. I really don't care as long as you leave me out of >it. I don't recall ever including you in it. I read and appreciate most, not all, of your posts. Probably more than Will but I still appreciate informative and humorous posts. But HATE and VENOM don't make it in my book. > Little Stevie didn't and I gave him his due. His ensuing posts are >drivel and don't deserve response. dean >>>PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >>>combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >dean Why don't you shut the f.ck up and eat sh.t. Will has posted all of this information at one point or another in the past. Ask him to deny it. a.s licker. >And BTW I was a Safety Engineer (never used "safety officer") and did >other engineering work for many years. Sorry she got that wrong. Actually, Will *did* refer to himself as a former "safety officer" right here (or perhaps on rec.outdoors.rv-travel), within the past couple of weeks. I remember it clearly and thought the same thing as Janet -- that he had finally decided to drop the "engineer" scam. Of course, since he refuses to allow his posts to be archived (for obvious reasons), I can't find it now, nor would I waste much time trying anyway. >New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. "New readers" should also know that Will was not at the scene (which was nowhere near where he lives); was not involved in the investigation of the accident (and there's no reason why he should he have been, after all); and has admittedly not read the report of it, although Janet has offered several times to send him a copy. Just trying to keep the record straight here. GB in NC > PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a > combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. Funny, my copy of the police report says: "slick road conditions" and doesn't say anything about driving too fast. The speed limit was 65 mph. We were doing 50. Everything was passing us. Had we been zooming along in the left lane, perhaps we wouldn't have hit the oil slick, but we were in the right lane, taking it easy because the road was still wet from the rain. We were not cited by the state police. The insurance company paid up under our policy. BTW, we pulled into a rest area until the heavy rain stopped. We had new tires, too. Stuff happens. We are grateful that we survived and were able to retrieve over 90% of our stuff from the truck and trailer. I don't know how Will could see anything "clearly" as he was up a hill in Pennsylvania and we were in Western Kentucky. To my knowledge he was not riding in our truck. He should stick to toilet paper. Stuff happens. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >> combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. > > Funny, my copy of the police report says: "slick road conditions" and > doesn't say anything about driving too fast. The speed limit was 65 mph. > We were doing 50. Everything was passing us. <snip> Just curious...did you do any research on what causes hydroplaning? I can answer that without research. Excessive speed for conditions. s > Just curious...did you do any research on what causes hydroplaning? > I can answer that without research. Excessive speed for conditions. ....or a wet road with an oil slick. We were not traveling at an excessive speed. Sorry to disappoint you, but there are always exceptions and jerks like you will have to learn to accept them as the truth. If you think you are getting to me, you are not. Your are just getting annoying. Since you have nothing to contribute to this group except for an insane compulsion to try to make me look bad..........PLONK SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life Wow! I've been plonked twice by this moron. s >> I can answer that without research. Excessive speed for conditions. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Since you have nothing to contribute to this group except for an insane > compulsion to try to make me look bad..........PLONK > Wow! I've been plonked twice by this moron. Congratulations moron, you've been plonked by me as well. Hugh >>> PS New readers should know her rollover wreck was clearly caused by a >>> combination of factors, _including_ too fast for conditionss. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just curious...did you do any research on what causes hydroplaning? The state police provided most of what I needed when they told us that every time it rains that stretch of highway has accidents. The wrecker who righted and towed us said the same thing. A high official of the state police said they were not going to fix the road as that would be an admission that they "officially" knew about the problem. That would open them up to law suits. We were traveling well bellow the speed limit and other traffic, so excessive speed was not a factor. Our tires were less than a year old and had excellent tread, as remarked upon on their reports by the insurance adjusters who looked at the truck and trailer. This accident happened more than 3 years ago and I'd like to forget it, so there will be no further comment from me. Those of you who enjoy reminding me of what was a horribly frightening time, will just have to find another mode of torture. I'm done. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > The state police provided most of what I needed when they told us that > every time it rains that stretch of highway has accidents. The wrecker who [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > had excellent tread, as remarked upon on their reports by the insurance > adjusters who looked at the truck and trailer. If you don't want to learn from mistakes, fine. But don't say that people are trying to torture you when you just won't accept the truth and and try to learn. Janet, please believe me when I say I'm not trying to 'torture' you, but excessive speed is always a factor (but not the only) when it comes to hydroplaning. It makes no difference if you had the most excellent tires in the world. I'm not your google so you can find everything I tell you yourself but someone can hydroplane as slow as 30 MPH. In fact hydroplaning is almost guaranteed at 50 MPH. Just because someone is hydroplaning means they will wreck. I'm sure the oil slick was a factor too. But to say you were traveling well below the speed and that speed wasn't factor is just not true. OOPS. Janet, that should have read "You won't wreck just because someone is hydroplaning...." > Just because someone is hydroplaning means they will wreck. I'm sure the > oil slick was a factor too. But to say you were traveling well below the > speed and that speed wasn't factor is just not true. >> The state police provided most of what I needed when they told us that >> every time it rains that stretch of highway has accidents. The wrecker who [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >oil slick was a factor too. But to say you were traveling well below the >speed and that speed wasn't factor is just not true. Minimum spped on an Intersate is 45 mph. They were going as slow as they legally could. |
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