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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / December 2007The manufacturers are building the wrong product
I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. I tell them I want a class C that will fit in a single parking space, because that is what I have, a parking space next to the garage. 20 feet is perfect. 21 maybe. . . There is nothing less than 23 feet at the dealers. Their stock is full of oversized, over decorated vehicles that, to my mind, appeal to those who aren't going to leave home, so it will sit in their driveway or storage. The salesmen keep showing me class B, or 27 foot class C's. I know there are some small vehicles, but they are not at the major dealers. I think there are others who want what I do, since smaller units seem to sell easier on the used market. > I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I > won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I think there are others who want what I do, since smaller units seem to > sell easier on the used market. REPLY: I bought a new Class C recently and its perfect for a small parking space. Mine is however, a 25' and 26' incl. the rear ladder. There are C's in the 21' range which ive seen both new and used on the road. Check the Coachmen Website and Gulfstream Website..im almost positive Gulfstream offers one around 20' but it will not be the rear bed setup. I believe i saw one as described at www.collierrv.com in Rockford, Illinois. Also, do a google under Class C. Motorhomes For Sale. Dave. > I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I > won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I think there are others who want what I do, since smaller units seem to > sell easier on the used market. Try looking on rvonline.com. They have rv's listed by length. Hugh >> I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that >> I won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Try looking on rvonline.com. They have rv's listed by length. > Hugh Yes, it's possible to find 21 footers. Maybe even shorter. Maybe. Not on any of the lots I have been to, and I have been to quite a few. This was a casual observation about what they are trying to sell as opposed to what I want to buy. I am not asking for directions to find them, I'm pointing out the fact that the big lots do not have any. I think it's like American auto makers thinking people don't want to drive small cars, so they build small cars people don't want to buy. Self fulfilling prophesy. I think the motor home manufacturers are out of touch. >>> I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that >>> I won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > I think the motor home manufacturers are out of touch. Okay, you asked and you got a response geared to what you asked. The manufacturer is driven by what sells and the bigger units are what was selling.I don't think buyers will accept the rv's Europeans are willing to buy, the Euro units are too small for our "needs". I also think the reason smaller units sell better on the used market has more to do with people just starting to move "up" to class C and class A rigs. I do think though that the manufacturers are out to lunch because they didn't see the fuel price rise coming. Their biggest problem appears to be they are forced to use the platforms furnished by truck makers. We don't have fuel efficient drivetrains and rv manufacturers have to decide what bodies they theorize can sell. In the past, smaller units weren't snapped up. Folks who've attended rv shows seem to gravitate toward the bigger units, that seems to be the case in every show I've gone to. Maybe it's time for some enterprising company to begin importing the units sold in Europe. Might not be a bad idea. Hugh > Maybe it's time for some enterprising company to begin importing the > units sold in Europe. Might not be a bad idea. I can only think that it would be cheaper (less expensive?) for a domestic manufacturer to build it here. It would take a gutsy visionary with deep pockets, indeed, to do something like you propose. I just looked at Born Free's site. Their shortest model is "built for two" and is just an inch short of 23 feet. <http://www.bornfreemotorcoach.com/products.php?id=13> I realize that that is a <ahem> "top end" company, but I knew they made "shorter" Class C rigs and went there first. At $78,675, it is obviously aimed and buyers of means that are looking SPECIFICALLY for such a small motorhome. Most others with that kind of purchasing power will surely opt for a more spacious coach for the same - or less - money.  Signature:) JR snipped > I can only think that it would be cheaper (less expensive?) for a domestic > manufacturer to build it here. It would take a gutsy visionary with deep > pockets, indeed, to do something like you propose. I'd agree except our drivetrains aren't as fuel efficient. The Euro units look pretty darn good but would need some modifications in the way utilities are handled. I wonder if a company like Winnebago could make the grade. I would actually like to see us produce fuel efficient rv's and those furrin units look slick. Hugh > snipped > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and those furrin units look slick. > Hugh http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=38379&SearchMethod=1 This is the closest I've seen to what I want. It's too far just to go see it. And it's still 21 feet. > I would actually like to see us produce > fuel efficient rv's What is fuel EFFICIENT? One man's fuel efficient is another man's gas guzzler. Just how much more MPG, pulling x weight at x speed do you expect to get out of the internal combustion engine, CAFE tinkering, included. When gas was cheap and the old carburetor 454s and 460s fire-breathing big blocks ruled the day, they may have gotten 10 MPG. You couldn't, however, stay in a closed room with them without dying much sooner than with the modern crop of engines. And [drum roll] EMISSIONS is the end-all and be-all of the internal combustion engine-hating crowd. We all enjoy our home on wheels whether it's a weekend or gone for months. There is virtually only ONE way one get consistently substantially better gas mileage when under way, all other things being equal: Downsize. > and those furrin units look slick. You wouldn't be talking about The Sprinter, would you? If they hack it in the delivery business, I'm sure they make a GREAT mini-motorhome platform. We're I to have one, I know there would be times when I wished there was, under the hood, a few more cylinders, like when merging onto a freeway. I suspect that is an "area" in which the 5-cylinder(?) diesel falls short. Anymore, if the OP already has an workable storage plan for his would be acquisition of a SHORT Class C, the difference in fuel consumption (notice I did NOT say "economy") were he to go, say..., 6 feet longer, wouldn't make much difference in the already DISMAL MPG. RVing presents a huge "footprint" in any transportation scheme. How much one wishes to PAY for x-SIZE footprint is up to the individual. The platinum potion and fuel-line magnets notwithstanding, I suspect we're pretty much to the point where they can't wring any more, meaningful, MPG out of current and up-coming engines. What else could it be but fuel costs to explain why many folks are leaving the RVing lifestyle other than it's just too damned expensive. Not enough bang for the buck, if you like. And its HUGE bux - that could also be spent on restaurants and motels with probably even money left over. But that's another, whole debate. There's nothing else like RVing and the price of participation is what it is. Signature:) JR 2000 Skamper Ultra 249 TT 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Vortec 8100 - Allison 1000 <snip> > What else could it be but fuel costs to explain why many folks are leaving > the > RVing lifestyle other than it's just too damned expensive. Not enough > bang > for the buck, if you like. And its HUGE bux - that could also be spent on > restaurants and motels with probably even money left over. If you use motels it is hard to take all your 'stuff' unless you have a van or box trailer. Besides decent motels aren't cheap. The few times we have used motels in recent years the prices ranged from a little over $60/night in non-tourist areas to well over $100/night close to destination areas and those were just average motels. We stayed at a motel in far north San Antonio a couple of years ago, the room was right at $100, but you got stuck with San Antonio's 17% room tax! In my experience the big jump in diesel fuel cost came several years ago. The following is the average cost of my diesel starting with '01: Year MY Average Diesel Cost % of Prior Years Cost 2001 $1.376 2002 $1.265 91.93% 2003 $1.454 114.94% 2004 $1.852 127.37% 2005 $2.377 128.35% 2006 $2.696 113.42% 2007 $2.887 107.08% The big jumps were '03-'04 and '04-'05. Although I don't like paying more for fuel, it is still a bargain here compared to places in the world. Ron who tows a 35' 5er > But that's another, whole debate. There's nothing else like RVing and the > price of participation is what it is. >> I would actually like to see us produce >> fuel efficient rv's > > What is fuel EFFICIENT? snipped > But that's another, whole debate. There's nothing else like RVing and the > price of participation is what it is. I'm not sure what you're "arguing" about. Maybe you miss what I said and meant. The Euro rv's have diesel powerplants, get much better mileage than our humongous models, have lots of features but don't have the interior space our units have. I don't know what the mileage numbers are but would presume the less than 3L turbocharged diesel engines would have much higher numbers than our big motor homes. Hugh > I think it's like American auto makers thinking > people don't want to drive small cars They're right. We don't. > so they build small cars people don't want to buy. There are more than a few leftists here that would agree with your anti-Capitalist viewpoint. I, on the other hand, have great faith in the free market. There are *PLENTY* of so-called small cars available out there. There are dozens and dozens of sub-compact models made by every manufacturer, foreign and domestic. The only way our society will be further socially engineered into a small car (I have one and LOVE it) is further government intervention of the free market in the form of further CAFE restrictions, among other things. > I think the motor home manufacturers are out of touch. I respectfully disagree. Given my faith in capitalism and the free market, I am confident that they are making EXACTLY what the market demands. Buyers with the means to purchase a Class C "mini" motorhome tired of climbing a ladder to get into bed. They also wanted bigger and better entertainment systems and the cabover space was ideal for that. The result? The length of the coach increased to accommodate the demand for a walk-around, queen-size bed on the "main" level. I've seen some Class Cs with a tag axle. I think that's just ridiculous considering they could probably get the same accommodation, if not better, with a Class A, probably for the same money or perhaps a little more. If you are in the market for a USED, short Class C, your field of selection can no doubt be better than if you were to insist on a NEW model of such short length. Many of those folks that gave up the utility of their "loft" bed traded-in their short rig for a longer one. They're out there somewhere. Good luck. SignatureJR > There are more than a few leftists here that would agree with your > anti-Capitalist viewpoint. On a deeper level it is more of a malevolent view of man than just anti-capitalist. Remember, the only person they truly know is themselves and from that the world view is extrapolated. I too, have faith in my fellow man, especially when he is left to work for his own self interest without inflicting himself upon others. Steve "Ask not what you can do for your country, but ask what your country can force others to do for you." >> There are more than a few leftists here that would agree with your >> anti-Capitalist viewpoint. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >"Ask not what you can do for your country, but ask what your country can >force others to do for you." When I was young, there was no (or very little) nanny state. We had thousands or hundreds of thousands of DDP's (Displaced Persons) from war torn Europe moving to this country. I lived in an area called Polack Hill and many neighbors on our street were recently from concentration camps under Hitler. They came here with virtually nothing and obtained basic assistance from the churchs. They repaid the help rapidly and quickly (w/i 5-10 years) were paying off their homes. They became very productive members of society and great citizens. No crime, no unemployment no begging. Just hard working people, most of whome spoke limited or NO English at first. But, those concepts are foreign to today's immigrunt rabble and their commie supporters. dean > But, those concepts are foreign to today's immigrunt rabble and their > commie supporters. > > dean It's the socialist/communist supporters that are the problem. They want to undermine a person's dignity and honor by making that person dependent upon the state for things they should do for themselves. Nothing will destroy America faster than a universal sense of entitlement, as it rips the soul right out of the country. It takes a very principled person to turn down a hand out, but if you make things tough enough that principled person will have a price. Today, it is no longer about freedom, it's all about control. Wait and see what shackles come with "universal" health care. Communists were allowed to smoke, but you won't be. Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death! Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775 Steve Check out "Tiger Motorhomes." Not cheap but only 19 feet. >> I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I >> won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Try looking on rvonline.com. They have rv's listed by length. > Hugh > Check out "Tiger Motorhomes." Not cheap but only 19 feet. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>Try looking on rvonline.com. They have rv's listed by length. >>Hugh I was pointing out that I believe the motor home manufacturers are out of touch with reality. I have a friend who has a Tiger motor home. It's nice. There are very few of these on the market . . . because . . . the motor home manufacturers think we all want to buy 40 footers. >> Check out "Tiger Motorhomes." Not cheap but only 19 feet. >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >few of these on the market . . . because . . . the motor home >manufacturers think we all want to buy 40 footers. They must think correctly, that's what's selling. They wouldn't be making them if they didn't sell. SignatureFrank Tabor > I was pointing out that I believe the motor home manufacturers > are out of touch with reality. I disagree. However, if you are correct, they'd better figure it out pretty soon. With fuel at ~$3/gallon and going up, we could have another crash in the RV industry like that of the 70s. One thing to keep in mind when considering small vs medium vs large vs ridiculously large motorized RVs is that the difference of .5 MPG (for example) between one end and the other doesn't amount to much, overall, given the cost of ownership of a rig that gets 5-6 MPG on a good day. > I have a friend who has a Tiger motor home. I suspect you mean Tioga. It's made by Fleetwood. In keeping with Fleetwood's less-than-stellar reputation, I was not surprised just now to find their web site broken beyond the main, company home page. http://www.fleetwoodrv.com You MIGHT be able to find some "short" Tiogas out there on the used market. > There are very few of these on the market . . . because . . . > the motor home manufacturers think we all want to buy 40 footers. The motorhome manufacturers make what SELLS. If you disagree with that, we are at a fundamental impasse regarding the market. SignatureJR >> I have a friend who has a Tiger motor home. > >I suspect you mean Tioga. It's made by Fleetwood. In keeping with >Fleetwood's less-than-stellar reputation, I was not surprised just now to find >their web site broken beyond the main, company home page. Tiger Provan. http://www.tigermotorhomes.com/ SignatureFrank Tabor >> I was pointing out that I believe the motor home manufacturers >> are out of touch with reality. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > example) between one end and the other doesn't amount to much, overall, given > the cost of ownership of a rig that gets 5-6 MPG on a good day. snip Most lg motorhomes seem to average about8 to 9mpg. Some get a little more. Depends on all the usual variables, of course. They're big but not near as heavy s a loaded semi. A semi will average 6 mpg, some 7, on cruise, on the Interstate. If you have one of the 600+ hp jobs then 6 is good. >Most lg motorhomes seem to average about8 to 9mpg. Some get a little >more. Depends on all the usual variables, of course. They're big but not >near as heavy s a loaded semi. >A semi will average 6 mpg, some 7, on cruise, on the Interstate. >If you have one of the 600+ hp jobs then 6 is good. Most RVs average in the 7's. >>Most lg motorhomes seem to average about8 to 9mpg. Some get a little >>more. Depends on all the usual variables, of course. They're big but not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Most RVs average in the 7's. I know several people who have 40' diesel pushers and get between 8 and 9 miles per gallon. Ron > I know several people who have 40' diesel pushers and > get between 8 and 9 miles per gallon. Yeah, and they have Corian or granite countertops and full ceramic tile in the bathroom and kitchen. Heck, they might even have recessed lighting on the sculpted and mirrored ceiling and hydronic heat in the floor. It's too bad mere mortals can't find that level of quality construction, but in a more affordable rig with cloth upholstery, a textured luann ceiling and good carpet on the floor. Signature:) JR >> Check out "Tiger Motorhomes." Not cheap but only 19 feet. >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > few of these on the market . . . because . . . the motor home > manufacturers think we all want to buy 40 footers. Winnebago has a couple of small RVs in the current lineup. The View is on a Sprinter chassis, has a Mercedes turbo-diesel and is 24 ft, 6 in long. The Access has a 23 ft model with a Ford 5.4 liter V8 and a 5 speed transmission. Both are Class C's. The Sprinter is supposed to get pretty good gas mileage, too. John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee > I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I > won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I think there are others who want what I do, since smaller units seem to > sell easier on the used market. I read some of the other replies but am adding my .02. I would like, at times a smaller RV but..... where are you going to take all your stuff. There is never enough room in a 40 ft. It is an organizational exercise to get the thing packed. To each his own of course. >> I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that >> I won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > It is an organizational exercise to get the thing packed. > To each his own of course. My first motor home experience was last September. I rented a 23 footer and went to Burning Man. I went by myself but stayed in a camp of a dozen people. Had plenty of room. To own one, I want it to fit in a single parking space with out any arguments. > I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I want it to fit in a single parking space with out any arguments... Hi Jim, I was sort of in the same boat. I purchased a 2004 Gulfstream BT Cruiser 5210. (Measures 21'9".) It sets on a E-350 chassis with the 6.8 V-10. A few here will knock the Gulf Stream product (with or without personal experience), but we couldn't be happier with it! Paul > My first motor home experience was last September. I rented a 23 footer > and went to Burning Man. I went by myself but stayed in a camp of a > dozen people. I'll bet it was an eye-opener at the gas pump. Hopefully the good time you had was worth it. > Had plenty of room. To own one, I want it to fit in a single parking > space with out any arguments. Are you still considering getting a motorhome? Signature:) JR >>My first motor home experience was last September. I rented a 23 footer >>and went to Burning Man. I went by myself but stayed in a camp of a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Are you still considering getting a motorhome? Either I'm going to buy one or rent again. I know renting is more cost efficient, but my life is too easy now. A good used class "C" would fix that, I'm sure. I like the Toyota, I think. I will be looking until early spring, then buy. >>>My first motor home experience was last September. I rented a 23 footer >>>and went to Burning Man. I went by myself but stayed in a camp of a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I like the Toyota, I think. I will be looking until early spring, then > buy. Try looking at these: http://www.rvtrader.com/rvdetail1642108.htm Can't argue with 17 mpg, the retention in value, the small footprint, the good handling and it doesn't look like an RV. Those are the RVs of the future. I think boxes on wheels are on the way out. Steve >Try looking at these: > >http://www.rvtrader.com/rvdetail1642108.htm > >Can't argue with 17 mpg, the retention in value, the small footprint, the >good handling and it doesn't look like an RV. I seriously doubt the 17 mpg. My '95 Dodge (19') Coachmen Class B (5.2L) has averaged 14.1535 overall, for the nearly 160k miles I've driven it, and I'm an "easy" driver. This overall average has been extremely constant over the years, within a couple of tenths of a mpg either way. Regardless, the asking price ($20k) for an '89 model Class B is a joke. IMO, he'll be lucky if he gets a little more than half of that. Note he says condition is only "good." To be worth $20k at nearly 20 years it would have to be at least "outstanding," in my opinion, if not "like new in every respect." And as has been discussed here many times, 18k miles in 18 years is not necessarily an advantage and may in fact be a disadvantage, though not always. For example, it has "new seats." Why? Did the original ones wear out in only 18k miles of use? If so, that means some of the other trim is surely showing some wear as well. That's to be expected, of course, but not for that price. And BTW, "Home and Park" is Roadtrek's cheaper line. >Those are the RVs of the future. I think boxes on wheels are on the way out. I do agree with that. We love our Class B, and if we ever trade we'll get another one. That's the size that's best suited for our traveling style. GB in NC >>Try looking at these: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and I'm an "easy" driver. This overall average has been extremely > constant over the years, within a couple of tenths of a mpg either way. There is a torque converter lockup clutch in the Dodge automatic transmission that engages and they do get good gas mileage, I've seen as high as 17.5 mpg. Driving at high speed and up hills will reduce the mileage in the range you mention. > Regardless, the asking price ($20k) for an '89 model Class B is a joke. > IMO, he'll be lucky if he gets a little more than half of that. Note he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in 18 years is not necessarily an advantage and may in fact be a > disadvantage, though not always. The price is absurd. Even with low mileage the rubber on the suspension deteriorates and things get loose. Fluids gum up with lack of use, moisture gets in there etc. > For example, it has "new seats." Why? Did the original ones wear out in > only 18k miles of use? If so, that means some of the other trim is > surely showing some wear as well. That's to be expected, of course, but > not for that price. I am suspicious of the mileage, it might be an error. > And BTW, "Home and Park" is Roadtrek's cheaper line. I think Home and Park was the name used on earlier Road Trek models and later, for what ever reason, the name went to Road Trek. >>Those are the RVs of the future. I think boxes on wheels are on the way >>out. > > I do agree with that. We love our Class B, and if we ever trade we'll > get another one. That's the size that's best suited for our traveling > style. The economy of a class B also requires economy of the operator - no big screens, dishwashers, piles of junk, etc. Just the essentials. > GB in NC >> I seriously doubt the 17 mpg. My '95 Dodge (19') Coachmen Class B (5.2L) >> has averaged 14.1535 overall, for the nearly 160k miles I've driven it, >> and I'm an "easy" driver. This overall average has been extremely >> constant over the years, within a couple of tenths of a mpg either way. >There is a torque converter lockup clutch in the Dodge automatic >transmission that engages and they do get good gas mileage, I've seen as >high as 17.5 mpg. Driving at high speed and up hills will reduce the mileage >in the range you mention. But -- mine IS a Dodge, with automatic transmission (and overdrive). Although my mileage of course has varied from tankful to tankful, I have never seen anywhere near 17.5. >> And BTW, "Home and Park" is Roadtrek's cheaper line. >I think Home and Park was the name used on earlier Road Trek models and >later, for what ever reason, the name went to Road Trek. When we were in the market for a Class B, we looked at and seriously considered a RoadTrek. Went to a couple of authorized RoadTrek dealers. But another RV dealer we were talking to who did not sell the RoadTrek brand -- a large shop in Hickory, NC -- *was* authorized to sell what the salesguy described as RoadTrek's "cheaper line" -- which was called Home & Park. This was in '98. That's all I know about them. We decided against RoadTrek because they were so overpriced compared to everything else we saw, and frankly they didn't look as if they were worth the difference in cost. Maybe *some* more, but not that much more. >> I do agree with that. We love our Class B, and if we ever trade we'll >> get another one. That's the size that's best suited for our traveling >> style. >The economy of a class B also requires economy of the operator - no big >screens, dishwashers, piles of junk, etc. Just the essentials. Yep. Although our list of "essentials" is surprisingly long -- at least as it applies to tools, equipment, and toys/gadgets. All of it fits, out of sight under the sofas and other storage holes. GB in NC >>There is a torque converter lockup clutch in the Dodge automatic >>transmission that engages and they do get good gas mileage, I've seen as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Although my mileage of course has varied from tankful to tankful, I have > never seen anywhere near 17.5. My Dodge got nearly17.5 mpg Flagstaff to Santa Fe. The water/sewage tanks were empty and there was a tailwind. I kept it under 60. I have also gotten as low as just under 15 mpg driving I-70 Denver to Grand Junction and that kind of mileage driving at 70+ mph. . I haven't tried fuel with ethanol added but I would expect the mileage to be about 10-15% less. Here is what others say: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/rvs/495671503.html http://tucson.craigslist.org/rvs/495794786.html http://www.rv.net/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/19896344.cfm {17-19 mpg} http://imm.rvamerica.net/showinv/imm_detail.cfm?clientid=75&id=3731995 {22+ mpg} http://norfolk.craigslist.org/rvs/475590448.html {22 mpg} http://nashville.kijiji.com/c-Cars-vehicles-Other-18-MPG-Must-Sale-89-Roadtrek-M otorhome-W0QQAdIdZ30889391 http://www.johnsrv.com/moredetails.html?90954747&sitecode=johnsrv {15-18 mpg} The RVs on the Sprinter chassis are said to get as high as 22-25 mpg and are bigger than the RoadTrek 19 footers. >> But -- mine IS a Dodge, with automatic transmission (and overdrive). >> Although my mileage of course has varied from tankful to tankful, I have >> never seen anywhere near 17.5. >My Dodge got nearly17.5 mpg Flagstaff to Santa Fe. The water/sewage tanks >were empty and there was a tailwind. I kept it under 60. Okay, with a constant tailwind I might get 17.5. (I usually drive at just under 60.) But fortunately -- since I hate wind -- I don't have that option. >I have also gotten >as low as just under 15 mpg driving I-70 Denver to Grand Junction and that >kind of mileage driving at 70+ mph. . I haven't tried fuel with ethanol >added but I would expect the mileage to be about 10-15% less. FTR, I've never used ethanol fuel. >Here is what others say: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >http://www.rv.net/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/19896344.cfm >{17-19 mpg} If those numbers are accurate, I wonder why mine is so low in comparison. I'm one of the most economical drivers I know. >The RVs on the Sprinter chassis are said to get as high as 22-25 mpg and are >bigger than the RoadTrek 19 footers. True, but with a Sprinter you're talking about a whole different kind of animal. That will probably be my next RV, if I decide I want another one. GB in NC > I'm in the market for a small class C. It's a virtual certainty that I > won't buy new, but I'm looking at what's available at the dealers. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I think there are others who want what I do, since smaller units seem to > sell easier on the used market. They are out there. The smallest BTCruiser is also close to what you are asking. http://www.krenekrv.com/used/newinv2.asp?VehId=1324 http://www.rvcorral.com/new_class_c_rv/NC320/index.html http://tinyurl.com/35su7c http://www.generalrv.com/inventory-detail.aspx?inventoryid=22624 http://www.generalrv.com/inventory-detail.aspx?inventoryid=18499 http://www.dehaanrv.com/component/option,com_hotproperty/task,view/id,244/Itemid,2/ |
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