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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / February 2008Using a camper as a house
All, Here is the situation: My father's house has no running water, has the roof missing in most areas, has plastic over the doorways to seal off the rooms with the holed roofs, has massive holes in the partcile board floors, etc. And he doesn't want to move. So my idea was to park a 25' 2000 Coachmen Catalina Lite 5th wheel on the property a few feet from the house so that he has someplace dry to live and he can still go to the other house. What would I need to do/ any issues with moving the electricity supply, the water lines, and the sewage from the main house to the camper? (The crumbling house has a septic tank, BTW, so I would like get the camper sewage to go into the house septic tank.) This is in Austin, Tx if that info helps. Appreciate any advice. His health is bad and living in that house isn't helping, so I thought this might be a way I could help him live in suitable shelter and still be near his house. VR/ Lost First, Check zoning laws Second, Check zoning laws. The thing most likely to bite you with what is really just a son trying to help his dad is zoning laws, so check them. I'm surprised he's been allowed to stay in the house in the first place as it sounds like it's ready to fall down and is in violation of health laws Budd > All, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Lost > First, Check zoning laws > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Budd My exact same knee-jerk reaction. All, Thansk for the info! I can run the electricity from an outside outlet (OK). The water from the outside spigot is another story. The house was built on stacks (legs) of cinder blocks (not a conder block wall). The legs have shifted/ cracked so the house is leaning and falling down. It hit the PVC water line off of the main line and cracked it, so the water was turned off at the source. No water for washing clothes, showers, or flushing toilets. So anything that could be used for TP (shirts, paper towels, etc. was being used) and anything that would hold bodily waste (pots, dishes, trashcans) is also overflowing and scattered around the house. Not a pretty picture. EMS came last night and took him away in an ambulance because his legs and arms were swollen and discolored (heart problem, I think). They made a comment that they were going to "write up the house". My father is perfectly happy to live there, and will fight any attempt for someone to come in and move him out. The "write-up", however, might initiate the health dept or other agency to come in and condemn the place, so I have to be ready for that. Back to the camper: He won't empty black/gray water tanks, nor will he drive to parks with tanks of waste to dump. Is there a way to get the black water contents into the septic tank for the house? VR/ Lost I see where Lostguy <cpocpo@mail.com> contributed an unbelievable tale of woe about his father's "home". Sir, you are either a flaming idiot, a dangerously neglectful son, or a not-credible troll. Go away and get help. Either or both. Will Sill I post to help rv'ers and to annoy the snot outa idjits, morons, and liberal kooks. If you're annoyed, check yer mirror to see why. >I see where Lostguy <cpocpo@mail.com> contributed an unbelievable tale > of woe about his father's "home". > > Sir, you are either a flaming idiot, a dangerously neglectful son, or > a not-credible troll. I suspect that you are right. >> I see where Lostguy <cpocpo@mail.com> contributed an unbelievable tale >> of woe about his father's "home". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > I suspect that you are right. And I have to agree. This story does not sound creditable. My "Troll" light went off half way through. If it is true, this guy should be ashamed to let his father live that way. Too ashamed to be telling us about it. >>> I see where Lostguy <cpocpo@mail.com> contributed an unbelievable tale >>> of woe about his father's "home". [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If it is true, this guy should be ashamed to let his father live that way. > Too ashamed to be telling us about it. I agree, BUT having worked in health care ( assisted living facilities and hospitals), with the physically and mentally challenged, as has my wife who was a CNA for 25 years, we could tell your horror stories in our own town that would curl your hair and make this situation look like a walk in the park. So, you don't take chances and you try to help even if it is a troll. Btw, being ashamed, having a conscience, or caring enough to check on the elderly requires something that's disappearing in the world, moral values. Budd > >>> I see where Lostguy <cpocpo@mail.com> contributed an unbelievable tale > >>> of woe about his father's "home". > >>> > >>> Sir, you are either a flaming idiot, a dangerously neglectful son, or > >>> a not-credible troll. SNIP I'll second (or third, or whatever) that. Not plausible. Too many things wrong to mention.  SignatureMatt Delete nospam for email "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" | All, | [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] | might initiate the health dept or other agency to come in and condemn | the place, so I have to be ready for that. The write up will likely trigger a referral to adult protection services which can be a good thing or a bad thing but will compliate your and your dads live no end. I've been down the 'I don't want to leave my home' with my MIL. She eventually fell and was disabled as a result. Finally, with the help of my SIL convinced the old gal to come live with us. Took some adjustment but after 6 months or so she was happy and lived another 5 years. All, Thanks for the help ,but this is not worth getting flamed over. I am active duty US Navy for 21 years, so I have sworn to defend the Constitution and free speech. (including those who just want to be ugly to other people). I have offered for my dad to live with me as I move around the country every 3 years on different tours, but he refuses. I have spent thousands to keep the bill collectors off his door. He wants to live and die in that house even it is falling down around him. I just saw a camper on Craigslist near his house, but have never owned one and don't know how they would connect up to external services. I am not ashamed of anything I have done WRT this. I will not "hogtie" him and drag him out of the house against his wishes/ rights. I'm not a troll, neglectful, an idiot or any other derogatory term that you can come up with. And if you think that people do not live like this, you are wrong. Again, thanks for the help, but it's not worth dealing with the flamers. I'll look for help elsewhere. VR/ Lost My apologies, Lostguy. I meant no offense as I could see that your situation could have things that kept you from checking on him and tried to say so. I fear I failed to express myself properly. My eldest finished 5 years with the Navy a few years back on the "Harry S." in Squadron HS-7. I thank you for your service to our country. Charles "Budd" Cochran ( Ex-SSgt, USARNG 12 years) > All, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Lost >They made a comment that they were going to "write up the house". My >father is perfectly happy to live there, and will fight any attempt >for someone to come in and move him out. The "write-up", however, >might initiate the health dept or other agency to come in and condemn >the place, so I have to be ready for that. I'm not intending to flame you in any way, and I feel sorry for your father, whose life is about to change -- or has already changed -- in ways he doesn't want. The truth is that if that house is anywhere near as bad as you described it, it will be condemned, and your father will not be allowed to live in it any longer. Social Services will take care of finding a safe place for him to live, but it will not be what you wanted for him or what he wants. The house is not only substandard but physically dangerous and unsanitary as well -- and therefore a direct threat to his (and his neighbors') health and safety. If there is not already an infestation of vermin, there will be soon. A house like that is like an engraved invitation to all sorts of critters, none of them desirable. One of the things Social Services may want to know is why you have allowed him to live like that up to this point. If you are his main caregiver you could even be subject to neglect charges. You may as well know this up front and be prepared for what could happen. Forget the idea of buying him a camper to live in. You already have far greater decisions than that to make. Again, I'm not flaming you, nor am I wanting to be the bearer of bad news -- I'm just telling you the way it is. Best of luck to you and to your father. GB in NC >> They made a comment that they were going to "write up the house". >> My [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > finding a safe place for him to live, but it will not be what you > wanted for him or what he wants. GB, you hit the nail on the head. There will be no RV beside that house because there will be no house there!! My bet is they would not permit a 5th wheel on the lot anyway. The original poster needs to get a lawyer if he doesn't already have one, because he is surely going to need one. Tom J > All, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Lost You can look for the cleanout lid for the Septic Tank and run the RV dump hose into it. If youre going to do this, you better secure the lid and pack around it so no One/things/debris can fall inside . You could run pvc piping for the water supply if you dont have an outside spiggot, or, run a garden hose from an indoor sink out to the RV . Do u think your Dad is to the point of needing some assisted living from what youve described ? > All, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Lost REPLY: Bud is right..but, to answer your questions : Just run a heavy outdoor extension cord from a 110 v. outlet on the outside of the house if there is one , over to the RV. Run a 3/4" garden hose from an outside water spiggot over to the RV. The RV will have its own black water tank so just dump it once a month at a nearby CG or State Park which might cost you $5 to do so. As far as the grey water tank is concerned, it too can be dumped at the same time as the black tank , and/or, when its full..just hook up the Tank drain hose and allow the grey tank to empty out on the property at night when no one is around . The grey water is not sewage so it will simply soak into the ground. Providing no neighbors reports the RV being placed there permanently and no City Official is aware of it....he may be able to live there for quite some time unhindered. Fortunately, Austin, Tx. doesnt get too cold and you may not have to worry about freezing of the water lines and tanks. Personally, i think this is a temporary solution at best , and hopefully your Dad will come to this understanding as well. The RV will have its own black water tank so just dump it once a month at a nearby CG or State Park which might cost you $5 to do so. What size tank do you think the thing has? Perhaps I am extra full of it, but our tank is 27 gallons and usually needs dumping after three days for two people. To go a month for one person would require a black water tank on the order of 400 gallons. > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > two people. To go a month for one person would require a black water tank > on the order of 400 gallons. REPLY: One person can go as LONG time without filling the black tank ; in fact, its a good idea to fill it before dumping. When i go RVing i can go weeks easily by myself. On Jan 21, 8:39 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote: > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > two people. To go a month for one person would require a black water tank > on the order of 400 gallons. REPLY: One person can go as LONG time without filling the black tank ; in fact, its a good idea to fill it before dumping. When i go RVing i can go weeks easily by myself. Where do you pee and poop? > <IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message snipped > REPLY: One person can go as LONG time without filling the black > tank ; in fact, its a good idea to fill it before dumping. When i go > RVing i can go weeks easily by myself. > > Where do you pee and poop? My guess is he's using campground facilities. That has nothing to do with the guy's problems. Hugh > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Where do you pee and poop? REPLY: I pee and poop in the toilet of my RV, as is customary . However, im not always IN the Rv and sometimes i use a restaurant or CG pooping facility . Regardless, the black tank in your RV is going to take A LONG time to fill up if its just one person doing his business 3-4 times per day. Even if you were drinking yourself silly 24 hours per day, it would take a LONG time to fill it up. What the heck do u eat that enables you to fill up your black tank so quick ?! On Jan 22, 8:39 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote: > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Where do you pee and poop? REPLY: I pee and poop in the toilet of my RV, as is customary . However, im not always IN the Rv and sometimes i use a restaurant or CG pooping facility . Regardless, the black tank in your RV is going to take A LONG time to fill up if its just one person doing his business 3-4 times per day. Even if you were drinking yourself silly 24 hours per day, it would take a LONG time to fill it up. What the heck do u eat that enables you to fill up your black tank so quick ?! I would say that perhaps you eat like a bird, but I keep racing pigeons and know what they do. > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - REPLY: I have a good dump once a day like most folks . I dont eat like a bird either. Im 6'4" and weigh 250 lbs. plus. You must live on ExLax . On Jan 22, 1:57 pm, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote: > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - REPLY: I have a good dump once a day like most folks . I dont eat like a bird either. Im 6'4" and weigh 250 lbs. plus. You must live on ExLax . Well let's just say that I would not want to be around a camper that was occupied for a month and hadn't been dumped. I think you need to go get yourself forgiven again. > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - REPLY: I know you should really quit making excuses for not wanting to get to know God better , and get the forgiveness of your many many stored up Sins, Dan. Youve stored up alot of condemnation for yourself and now is the time to get that eliminated. Dont let your pride rule you. Happy RVing. End. On Jan 23, 3:23 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: This group is titled alt.rv not alt.blithering.religious.idiots Get lost, loser] Hal > On Jan 23, 3:23 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: > mo > This group is titled alt.rv not alt.blithering.religious.idiots th > Get lost, loser] > Hal REPLY: Eternity and where you spend it is far more important than your RV. I cant get lost , and, im not about practicing religion. Its all about you getting a personal relationship with God. Give him a chance Hal. On Jan 24, 7:36 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: REPLY: Eternity and where you spend it is far more important than > your RV. I cant get lost , and, im not about practicing religion. > Its all about you getting a personal relationship with God. Give him > a chance Hal. This group is titled alt.rv not alt.blithering.religious.idiots Hal >> <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> live >> on ExLax . 'Over 31 stone you flabby git. Get off your sofa (If you can manage it.) and stop trolling >> Well let's just say that I would not want to be around a camper that >> was occupied for a month and hadn't been dumped. I think you need to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > yourself and now is the time to get that eliminated. Dont let your > pride rule you. Happy RVing. End. So when you have a chat with "god" does he answer - Like "Hi God; how are you today?" "I'm fine thanks Dave. How are you?" "Well I'm not so bad considering that I'm a sad uneducated pompous friendless useless excuse for a human being who has to troll newsgroups to get any human contact because nobody likes me." "Don't be so hard on yourself Dave: Even though that's true I still talk to you don't I?" "Thanks God; y'know it's good that I can count on you..." BUT IN REALITY: "Oh great and wonderful God; why am I such a sad loser?" No answer. Dave hears the mail being delivered. "It's the postman; I wonder if there's a letter from God amidst all the usual hate-mail? Let's have a look.. "I hope you die in agony" - That's my next door neighbour again... $1000 dollar fine for harassment of the children in the park... Kiddy Porn International subscription offer from the teen-porn channel I subscribe to... More junk-mail from the Skokie Nazi Party... Appointment with the psychiatrist; I'll cancel that again... Ah! Good! My new Acme Bible's arrived. - It's fallen open . What does that say? "The news of the Gospel shall be preached throughout Judea and in all Samaria, and in all the lands throughout the world; and then the end shall come" The end shall come. - Halleluia I'm going to have another orgasm if I troll the newsgroups again today. Praise the LORD for he has spoken to me! Holyy -er than thou art - Holy is the Dave...Oooh I'm all excited and I haven't even got it out yet. I see the postman hasn't vanished yet"... "Oh postman - yoo hoo; I can see you've been thinking about sex as it looks like there's a deflated tent in your trousers. Did you know that there's a better way to live?.." "Why does nobody want to talk to me? I'll just have to pretend that "God" is talking to me while I troll the newsgroups - I won't need a sofa if I get any fatter - Now then; web tv keyboard in one hand; johnson in the other, and a trollin' we shall go..." On Jan 23, 11:35 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: > REPLY: I have a good dump once a day like most folks . I dont eat > like a bird either. Im 6'4" and weigh 250 lbs. plus. You must live > on ExLax Yep! An overweight lard a.s Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater Your's is at least 30.4 as you're way over 250 Hal----------->My advice to you: Suck on smaller cocks! > On Jan 23, 11:35 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Your's is at least 30.4 as you're way over 250 > Hal----------->My advice to you: Suck on smaller cocks! He sucks his own so he can't be that unfit; and there isn't much smaller, other than his brain... >My father's house has no running water . . . >What would I need to do . . . moving the the water lines . . . from the main house to the camper? TROLL! You didn't read Lostguy's replies at all, did you? Budd >>My father's house has no running water . . . > >>What would I need to do . . . moving the the water lines . . . from the >>main house to the camper? > > TROLL! > You didn't read Lostguy's replies at all, did you? > > Budd Actually, he probably did. "ASSUMING" LG's notes are true, both he and his father need help. It's bad enough that anyone would live like that and accept it. That definitely shows degradation of mental facilities and reasoning and would indicate that the individual should be under some sort of managed care. Not living and defecating in pots and pans. Now, for someone to allow their father to live in such conditions, that person should be in jail. Now, since no rational and logical person is going to let their parent live in such squaller the obvious conclusion would be: Troll. -- Steve Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? When I had my first heart attack, my son tried his all to come home and couldn't, even though we weren't at war (1998) and his squadron was in port, JAX NAS. He's still a little bitter about it. Military life is essentially volunteer slavery until you serve your hitch or you retire. You have limited options on what is an acceptable reason for a leave. Budd >> You didn't read Lostguy's replies at all, did you? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Steve > Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Budd We're not talking about military and overseas. We're talking about TEXAS here.... -- Steve >> Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Steve We're talking about a PERSON that's serving in the NAVY and asking if an RV can be used to help his dad. And, being in the NAVY, he doesn't get to come home and check on dad every 15 minutes. Budd >>> Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Budd I'll repeat this, slower for you... his father should be in managed care. If he SUPPORTS his father living like that he should be in jail..... >>>> Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > his father living like that he should > be in jail..... And I'll repeat this for you: Being away from home for extended periods due to NAVAL deployments, he may not have known how bad things were, especially if there was no one else around to let him know. Or ... have you never gone thru a town that you hadn't been to in many years and noticed hundreds if not thousands of changes? And he never said he supported his father living like that. Why the heck do you think he was asking about using the RV????? I agree about the managed care, but your condemning Lostguy without sufficient evidence. Budd Budd > And he never said he supported his father living like that. Why the heck do > you think he was asking about using the RV????? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Budd Well, he specifically said his father wasn't going to change. Isn't that supporting living like that? I give up, I think maybe you're in cahoots with his troll. >> And he never said he supported his father living like that. Why the heck >> do you think he was asking about using the RV????? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I give up, I think maybe you're in cahoots with his troll. Good, because you're wrong. An admission that someone isn't going to change isn't a statement of support, it's just a realization of a fact. If I said that you aren't going to change you're attitude towards Lostguy, it's probably just a statement of fact. But if I said I agreed with your statement, which I don't, obviously, then I would be supporting you. Lostguy was trying to do something for his dad by trying to get him an RV to live in. Now that sounds to me like he was trying to figure out some way to get his dad into BETTER housing. Sheesh . . . . Budd > >>> Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - REPLY: But what if its a case where his Dad just doesnt want to and refused to leave ? What if hes lived there for many decades in a house that was shared with his now deceased wife and he just doesnt want to move ? Should the Son force him to move by sticking him in a cheap Nursing Home or should he try to find a way for him to at least stay on the property with an RV ?? So long as the Dad doesnt need assisted living, why not try to keep him on the property ? I see where "Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> contributed: >Military life is essentially volunteer slavery Oxymoron alert. Will Sill The self-appointed Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I see where "Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> >contributed: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Will Sill >The self-appointed Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I think the correct term is moron alert. SignatureFrank Tabor And neither of you were in the military? Budd >>I see where "Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> >>contributed: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I think the correct term is moron alert. >And neither of you were in the military? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> I think the correct term is moron alert. Yes, I spent 10 years in the Navy, which has nothing to do with you becoming a moron. SignatureFrank Tabor And you just went anywhere you wanted and did anything you pleased? Budd >>And neither of you were in the military? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Yes, I spent 10 years in the Navy, which has nothing to do with you > becoming a moron. | And neither of you were in the military? | | Budd Don't know about either of them but anyone any real time in knows how the system works and how to make it work for them and theirs. Often not easy or even the best approach but can be done. Regardless of making excuses or laying blame the guy came for information. Might be a troll but the circumstances are such that straight answers are the best action. >>I see where "Budd Cochran" <mr.establishment440@bresnan.net> >>contributed: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I think the correct term is moron alert. With or without Oxygen. > Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Budd Bud I hate to break the bad news to you but military regulations directs that your son could be allowed to come and see you if your condition was life threatening, but he has to want to. You state you have never in active military. Why would you want to clarify "Especially stationed overseas". Just a point in your comments that does not fit. NAS JAX http://www.nasjax.navy.mil/ You are not required to have a reason for leave. Of course like any other job, leaves must be coordinated so as to insure enough personnel remain to perform required duties. You are granted 30 days leave a year, much more than the average civilian jobs. You might be talking about an emergency leave, and there are much less scheduling requirements, if the reason is such, a leave can be granted regardless of other available personnel. You say your son is still a little bitter about what happened back in 98, what does he do now that he must be a civilian. Some one that has never been in the military and makes such statements is just displaying their selves as being a fool. One of the saddest days in life was when I elected to retire from the military. SignaturePosted by HOPPIE, 30 Years Active Duty ,11 Campaigns Vietnam, Life Member; Am.Lgn,DAV,VFW,AFSA >> Never been in active military? Especially stationed overseas? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > that your son could be allowed to come and see you if your condition was > life threatening, but he has to want to. No, it was not life threatening or else I wouldn't be typing this, right? "has to want to"??? He wanted to. The Navy didn't think it was important enough to let him come home. > You state you have never in active military. Why would you want to clarify > "Especially stationed overseas". Just a point in your comments that does > not fit. NAS JAX > http://www.nasjax.navy.mil/ I know what and where JAX NAS is. I have Google Earth, by golly. But tell me, how easy is it to step out of your CVN when it's steaming in the Med, supporting ground troopies and walk back home, huh? > You are not required to have a reason for leave. Of course like any other > job, leaves must be coordinated so as to insure enough personnel remain to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > scheduling requirements, if the reason is such, a leave can be granted > regardless of other available personnel. But it has to have sufficient reason. My dad passed away my 6th week of Army Basic at Fort Leonard Wood (1970), and the Red Cross had to pull the strings to get me home for the funeral. So, you see, I have a bit of experience there, too. > You say your son is still a little bitter about what happened back in 98, > what does he do now that he must be a civilian. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. > Some one that has never been in the military and makes such statements is > just displaying their selves as being a fool. One of the saddest days in > life was when I elected to retire from the military. Ah, you must be one that doesn't consider 12 years (1969-1981) National Guard, E-6 on merit( not NCO school) to be nothing. Fine. But I still thank you for serving our country in a combat that we were never intended to win, thanks to the liberals. Budd >> You didn't read Lostguy's replies at all, did you? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Now, for someone to allow their father to live in such > conditions, that person should be in jail. That's the reason I said he needed to get an attorney at once, because he is going to need one. To suggest that one would not let their parent live in such conditions, I have news for you. For a few years I sold appliances. On several occasions, people came in and bought a used refrigerator for a parent that was living alone because their old one stopped working. When I would deliver the refrigerator, I would find a house full of filth and roaches running up and down the walls in broad daylight!! In every case, the roaches had shorted the motor relay. In every case, I phoned Family & Children's Services as soon as I got back to the shop!! Tom J |
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