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I'm interested in installing two smaller photoelectric solar panels on my camper. I'm concerned about drilling and such in the roof. Can I "glue" the panels to the roof? Will they hold under "most" conditions while travelling? Any advice is appreciated.  SignatureZyp > I'm interested in installing two smaller photoelectric solar panels on my > camper. I'm concerned about drilling and such in the roof. Can I "glue" > the panels to the roof? Will they hold under "most" conditions while > traveling? > > Any advice is appreciated. Sorry, Zyp, but "smaller" won't do it. Smaller will produce too limited an amount of electricity for anything but running a 12volt fan or two. Think BIG! Purchase and affix at least four to six 100 watt panels. You will also need to purchase at least four to six size 27 deep cycle batteries, a charge controller and an inverter. Don't drill holes into the roof of your RV. Instead, consider a frame of aluminum tubing affixed to the sides of your RV and extending upwards and across the roof. The transverse tubes can also be stuck down with a good caulk. You can screw or bolt the frames of the solar panels to the tubing so they don't blow off when under way. I applaud you for doing what you can to reduce your dependence of fossil fuels which are harming the environment. It's bad enough that so many huge RVs are going around from place to place polluting the planet in the name of their owners "having fun" but it's even worse when these rapists park and then run a generator all night thus burning even more fossil fuel. It's as if these people must burn fuel 24/7 in order to be happy. They disgust me for the most part with their disregard for the environment and their hedonism and obese bodies they have to haul around in huge RVs. If it wasn't so destructive it would be laughable. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I'm interested in installing two smaller photoelectric solar panels on my camper.<<<< What are you planning on using them for ? The reason I am asking is maybe whatever you are planning, won't work. That would solve the mounting problem. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) I'm concerned about drilling and such in the roof. Can I "glue" > the panels to the roof? Will they hold under "most" conditions while > travelling? > > Any advice is appreciated. > I'm interested in installing two smaller photoelectric solar panels on my > camper. I'm concerned about drilling and such in the roof. Can I "glue" > the panels to the roof? Will they hold under "most" conditions while > travelling? > > Any advice is appreciated. Let's try some real advise. If you buy them from any place (RV store, Camping World, JC Whitney, etc) that sells them for RVs, they will include mounting hardware. This hardware includes brackets, that you have to screw to the roof. I will have to buy some sealer for these holes. Don't glue them to the roof, they need some clearance underneath, to allow water to evaporate. Small is fine, all you will do is keep the batteries topped off (I have two 15 watt ICP brand panels) Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv > I'm interested in installing two smaller photoelectric solar panels on my > camper. I'm concerned about drilling and such in the roof. Can I "glue" > the panels to the roof? Will they hold under "most" conditions while > travelling? > Any advice is appreciated. Harbor Freight has a 45-watt (three 15s) solar panel with controller on sale right now for $179. Paul Johnson Paul Johnson wrote: >> I'm interested in installing two smaller photoelectric solar panels >> on my camper. I'm concerned about drilling and such in the roof. Can I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > on sale right now for $179. > Paul Johnson My camper is 11 feet long on a 18 foot trailer. It's an Aliner Cabin A. The top though, could only house maybe one or two of the 45 watt version(s) of solar panels. The idea would be to just keep the battery charged while the camper sits and waits for an outing. The refrigerator [running on propane] also has a little fan to help circulate air in the rear condenser and uses 1/2 amp to run. The panels could help there during the day, and the CO2 and propane monitors also use a little juice too. The solar panel would just keep everyone there happy and not drain the battery while the camper sits waiting for me or during the day when we're not really using anything. I didn't want to puncture the roof either. So I was looking for an answer to installing a couple of solar panels on the roof without holes. Any advice is helpful. SignatureZyp Zyp wrote:..The idea would be to just keep the battery charged while the camper sits and waits for an outing. I didn't want to puncture the roof either. So I was looking for an answer to installing a couple of solar panels on the roof without holes. Any advice is helpful.<<< If you are just using it while it "waits for an outing", don't bother mounting them on the camper at all. Mount them NEAR where you park the camper and just run the wiring to it. That way you could get any size panels you wanted, you wouldn't have to drill holes in the camper top and you won't have to drag the panels around with you when you go camping. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > Paul Johnson wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the battery while the camper sits waiting for me or during the day when > we're not really using anything. Here's some better advice. Given your wants and needs forget the solar panels. Just run an extension cord to your camper, plug in a small battery charger and keep your batteries topped off. I assume your little camper sits and waits for an outing in or near your driveway. But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of life or limb. Better use an electric refrigerator at least when you have access to plugging into the grid. -- Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of >life or limb. Name one, Harry. Just one. The *cause*, as you said -- not a contributing factor. (Heck, it would be hard to find one in which it was even a contributing factor.) >Better use an electric refrigerator at least when you have >access to plugging into the grid. Actually, I agree with this from an economic standpoint and from the convenience of plugging in a cord versus getting a propane tank refilled. Regardless -- I'm surprised to see that ultra-paranoid Harry is still around. I cleaned out my filter last week, hoping that some of these nuts had given up and left. I guess not. Harry has been asked repeatedly to provide some proof of his irrational and incorrect statements about propane being too dangerous to use in RVs (and homes, too). So far he has been unable or unwilling to provide any -- probably because there isn't any. Countless hundreds of thousands (millions?) of RVs and homes in the US alone use propane on a daily basis, and yet we almost *never* hear of any kind of accident, fire, etc. being attributed to it. Truth is, it's probably a heck of a lot safer than the gallons and gallons of extremely volatile gasoline that most of us haul around without a second thought. Ignore Harry's nutty rants. Everybody else here does -- at least the ones who don't already have him filtered. Back in mine he goes.... GB in NC >>But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >>been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > GB in NC What an ignorant person... You filter out my posts then you have the nerve to complain that I never provided any proof as to the dangers of propane. That's a riot. I've posted dozens of links and even links to dozens of photos of RV's exploded and burned by propane. You didn't see them because you filtered them out because you just refuse to believe the truth. You won't see this post as well so you will remain blissfully ignorant. How pathetic! Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >>>been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >Harry Harris Not one single one of the links you provided were caused by a propane leak. Not one. SignatureFrank Tabor >> Ignore Harry's nutty rants. Everybody else here does -- at least the >> ones who don't already have him filtered. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Harry Harris Well Harry I don't filter you. I never get rid of entertainment and that's what you provide. I have followed a few of the links you provided and they did not say what you seem to think they say. So I don't bother reading them now. I suspect GB found the same thing. I don't know if you have reading comprehension problems or just like to try to BS everyone, but your links have not shown propane to be very dangerous. Unless someone with your mental ability would try to re plump a propane device they are very safe. Why do you think all the RV manufacturers put them in the rigs? Maybe they want to blow up the customers that give them profits? That must be a great way to make profit, blow up your customers. Did you do something "stoopid" and get burned by propane. Does your daddy own a propane company and disowned you? I just can't understand why you continue trying (unsuccessfully) to keep propane on the disaster list. No one believes you. Larry >>> Ignore Harry's nutty rants. Everybody else here does -- at least the >>> ones who don't already have him filtered. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Larry My mama used to have to f.ck the propane man every month to pay the bills. When she was on the rag I had to suck his dick instead. Now that she is too old to f.ck, I have to either suck his dick or take it up the a.s to pay for the propane. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Ignore Harry's nutty rants. Everybody else here does -- at least the > ones who don't already have him filtered. Who is Harry, never heard of him?? :-) Tom J >> Ignore Harry's nutty rants. Everybody else here does -- at least the >> ones who don't already have him filtered. > > Who is Harry, never heard of him?? :-) > > Tom J I suck dicks and annoy people. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> Ignore Harry's nutty rants. Everybody else here does -- at least the >>> ones who don't already have him filtered. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Harry Harris You get one warning and one warning alone. Forge my email and sig one more time and I will report you to Teranews and they will suspend your posting privileges. Forging is an infraction of their TOS and you will get tossed. Go ahead, make my day, you potty-mouthed little twit. Harry Harris P.S. I have included your headers to make it easier for Teranews to cut you off. Path: newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntpserver.com!zeus.nntpserver.com!10.1.1.41.MISMATCH!pfilter-v0.1!not-for-mail From: "Harry Harris" <harryharris@thehilltopcafe.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.rv References: <vcCdnTCIQOrTqE3anZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@championbroadband.com> <qDFAj.5658$Sa1.4082@news02.roc.ny> <Atidnav0d74QUUXanZ2dnUVZ_q6mnZ2d@championbroadband.com> <47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <h9blt3lcg17h2h9l3r3utvh4456mjqcuue@4ax.com> <13tlqpclf0u3cd6@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Solar Panels Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:45:45 -0400 Organization: Propane Kills X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <47daf596$0$26063$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2008 22:00:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com X-Original-Lines: 18 SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >Xref: sn-us alt.rv:162256 >Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!nntpserver.com!zeus.nntpserver.com!10.1.1.41.MISMATCH!pfilter-v0.1!not-for-mail [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2008 22:13:21 GMT >X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com They exactly match your headers. Xref: sn-us alt.rv:162256 Path: sn-us!sn-feed-sjc-03!sn-xt-sjc-11!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-xt-sjc-13!supernews.com!news.glorb.com!nntpserver.com!zeus.nntpserver.com!10.1.1.41.MISMATCH!pfilter-v0.1!not-for-mail From: "Harry Harris" <harryharris@thehilltopcafe.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.rv References: <vcCdnTCIQOrTqE3anZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@championbroadband.com> <qDFAj.5658$Sa1.4082@news02.roc.ny> <Atidnav0d74QUUXanZ2dnUVZ_q6mnZ2d@championbroadband.com> <47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <h9blt3lcg17h2h9l3r3utvh4456mjqcuue@4ax.com> <13tlqpclf0u3cd6@corp.supernews.com> <47daf596$0$26063$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Solar Panels Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:02:34 -0400 Organization: Propane Kills X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Lines: 58 Message-ID: <47daf881$0$26045$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Mar 2008 22:13:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com SignatureFrank Tabor >>Xref: sn-us alt.rv:162256 >>Path: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > They exactly match your headers. Yes, pretty good forgery and all the more a violation of the TOS agreement. If he knew what he was doing he would change the email address using my email address is just plain stupid. That's how you get in trouble for forgery. What will get him, though is the Message ID. Each post has its own unique message ID and the server can use it to trace who posted the message. It looks like so much gibberish to us but teranews can use it to prove it's a forgery. But, since he has desisted, I have not reported his abuse. So all's well that ends well. I hope this helps. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-- >Harry Harris More lies and BS from the harry one. He has yet to substatiate his claim so he must be a liar. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >>been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > More lies and BS from the harry one. He has yet to substatiate his > claim so he must be a liar. On the contrary. I've posted dozens of links including many pictures of exploded and burned RVs because of propane leaks. You didn't see them because you prefer to remain ignorant. Instead of being open to the truth you and others filter the truth and live in blissful ignorance. Then you false accuse me. This makes you look very small. Don't believe me? Then search the archives and see for yourself. I'm not going to post links over and over for people who refuse to see them. It's your loss and it's your life you keep putting in danger. -- Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >>>been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >-- >Harry Harris None of the links you provided were caused by a propane leak. None. SignatureFrank Tabor >>>>But, be very careful with the propane. It tends to leak, explode and has >>>>been the cause of many an RV burning to the ground, sometimes with loss [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > None of the links you provided were caused by a propane leak. None. Frank, you and other misinformed RVers need to read more carefully next time. Just for you I'll post a proof-positive link from GMAC insurance. Here: http://www.lightweight-rv-news.com/top_five_rv_insurance_claims.htm Just in case you refuse to go to it or in case you've got me filtered already here's some copied text for those others who are reading this and are more open-minded: "GMAC Insurance top five RV claims: "1. Refrigerator fires and propane tanks. GMAC Insurance receives at least 400 claims per year due to refrigerator fires caused by leaking propane tanks. A rig can burn up in as fast as six minutes as a result of leaks in the propane tank system. Another problem: Tailgating sports fans wanting to show their support have even painted their tanks the teams' colors. Dark colors more readily absorb the sun's rays and can cause the tank to overheat and explode. "-- How to avoid it? First, don't paint your propane tank. Second, have propane tank lines and connections checked by a certified RV dealer each year. "2. Hitting gas station overhangs and bridges. Forgetting the RV's height and getting lodged under the gas station overhang has ruined more than one vacation. "-- How to avoid it? Create a constant reminder by posting a sticky note with your RV's height on your dashboard. "3. Forgetting to retract steps and awnings. Just as some of us forget to take our gas caps off the top of our cars, RVers often forget to retract the steps and awnings on their RVs. Open attachments can be torn off the side of an RV, leaving gaping holes. "-- How to avoid it? Use a pre-trip checklist that includes a reminder to retract the awnings and steps. "4. Tire blowouts. The three major causes of tire blow-outs are: over or under inflating tires, old tires wearing out and water tank damage. "-- How to avoid it? Clean your tires and keep them blocked from the sun's damaging rays whenever possible. Also, check your tire pressure regularly and purchase new tires every seven years, regardless of mileage or visible wear. "5. Animal infestation. When RVs sit over the winter months, mice and squirrels like to make your RV their home. They chomp through wires and lines, debilitating the entire vehicle. "-- How to avoid it? Start your RV every week to scare the animal guests away." Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> None of the links you provided were caused by a propane leak. None. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >propane tank lines and connections checked by a certified RV dealer each >year. A) Four hundred claims does NOT equate to 400 valid claims. Most are determined to be invalid, according to my Ins. Broker. B) Most RV tanks (class a/b/c) are contained in the interior and not near sunlight. C) Propane tanks rarely, if ever explode from overheat/overpressure. They have safety features prescribed by the Government to preclude such. (My sister has a 300 Gal. Propane tank sitting out for use in her farmhouse. It has been there for over 40 years and hasn't blown yet.) You put much into this but I am still waiting for any PROOF of such happening. Describe ONE victim or verified claim! I do agree to checking RV systems annually. In fact, we were camping with my daughter, her hubby and my granddaughter last weekend. I have a 35' class A and they have a 28' Toy Hauler. I walked past the front of the hauler and my nose picked up on the un-mistakable odor of Propane. We made a soap solution and found a leaking fitting in at the switchover valve in under 2 minutes. Nice try but no brass ring. Dean SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > More lies and BS from the harry one. Would you fine folks *PLEASE* stop feeding the trolls? I did a "clean install" of my system the other day and, within one hour of use of a "new" (clean) newsreader setup, AGAIN filtered (kill-filed) a half-dozen or so worthless posters here, including the miscreant to whom you replied. Most participants here have these jerks filtered so we don't even SEE their drivel - until you fall for their bait and reply. Of course, being the dutiful QUOTERS you are, we then are exposed to their nonsense. Get a clue: Do NOT reply to trolls. If you ignore them, they eventually go away. It really works. You should try it. - Please - Signature<sigh> JR On 3/14/08 11:26 AM, in article 47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, > Here's some better advice. Given your wants and needs forget the solar > panels. Just run an extension cord to your camper, plug in a small battery [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Harry Harris Extension cords cause far more fires than does propane. > On 3/14/08 11:26 AM, in article > 47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, "Harry Harris" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > Extension cords cause far more fires than does propane. Quite frankly dear, I don't give a damn. Propane is heavier than air, can be a problem when leaks occur. It should be used with caution and care. But that doesn't mean you should through out the water with the baby. Just be aware, and cautious when using propane gas. I already have a plug in for my "little" camper keeping the marine battery up while she's parked. But, when I dry camp, a little help from the sun wouldn't hurt any would it? I was just looking for suggestions about how to mount a 45 watt panel to the roof with some reliability and no leaks. I wasn't looking for an argument between Betty and Boop about the proper use of propane either. Any suggestions about "how to properly mount solar panels to the roof?" SignatureZyp >> On 3/14/08 11:26 AM, in article >> 47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, "Harry Harris" [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Any suggestions about "how to properly mount solar panels to the roof?" A recent study shows more people have suffered injury from solar panels falling off the roof of an RV than from errant propane. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> On 3/14/08 11:26 AM, in article >>> 47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, "Harry Harris" [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ROFL - Says who? Are you serious? I guess so if you're an idiot. SignatureZyp > >>> On 3/14/08 11:26 AM, in article > >>> 47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, "Harry Harris" [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Says who? Are you serious? I guess so if you're an idiot. I think the concensus of advice, before the thread devolved into stupidity, was that you need to use the brackets that are normally provided with the panels. If you use the proper sealant and techniques leaking will not be a problem. Whenever I mount something on the roof of my MH I put good sized dollup of sealant over the drilled hole for the bracket and then screw it down. After screw is tight and I am satisfied with position, etc. I liberally apply said sealant around the edges of the bracket and around the exposed screw head. Haven't had a leak yet and I have been screwing various junk to the roofs of a variety of trailers and MH for over 12 years. YMMV but I kind of think your overthinking the issue. JMHO SignatureMatt Delete nospam for email "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" >>>>> On 3/14/08 11:26 AM, in article >>>>> 47da8d99$0$29163$88260bb3@free.teranews.com, "Harry Harris" [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > Delete nospam for email > "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" Thanks Matt; Your generoisty overbounds you! :) SignatureZyp
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