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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / March 2008recommendations on very small quiet generators ?
I have a small pop up truck camper. I am thinking I would like to investigate what is available for a very small, quiet generator. I only really need it to run my furnace and light. I have a portable die hard battery, but it only will hold a charge to run the furnace for about 20 minutes. A guy at an RV store told me that as these furnaces age, it takes alot of charge to start them. I only need to do this for when the temperature is pretty cold. It would enable me to go camping in the mountains in the national forest where there are no electrical hookups in the cold weather. If the generator was very quiet, I wouldn't have to worry to much about complaints when you aren't supposed to run generators, since not alot of people camp there in the winter and probably no one would even be able to hear a small quiet generator. My camper is very small, so some sort of tiny generator would be easy to carry around. It would also be good if it was well sealed so that if I stored it or transported it inside my truck camper, gas fumes wouldn't permeate the camper, although I have fairly sizable side pockets in my Tundra truck that are maybe 1.5 to 2 feet wide. Any recommendations on something small, quiet, reliable ? > Any recommendations on something small, quiet, reliable ? Small, quiet, reliable? Honda EU-1000. http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/eu1000.htm If you're on a budget and can deal with something that's not quite as sturdy because you're not going to run it very much, a decent alternative is a Kipor IG1000 (used to be KGE1000Ti). They a few hundred cheaper for almost the same thing. But if you can afford it, get the Honda. If you need more power than 600w continuous, 1000w peak, they both make 2000w and higher models. But it sounds like the 1000w are fine for you. Steve > I have a small pop up truck camper. I am thinking I would like to > investigate what is available for a very small, quiet generator. I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Any recommendations on something small, quiet, reliable ? You will probably get a lot of varied responses to your question. What you should determine is what your maximum electrical load is, how many watts or amps will you be drawing. Then find a generator that is capable of providing for that kind of load. If you then want quiet, then that's when the price starts going up. Most folks will tell you that you can't beat the Hondas or Yamahas for dependability and quiet. Don't know anything about this vendor but you can compare gensets here http://www.wisesales.com/index.html > I have a small pop up truck camper. I am thinking I would like to > investigate what is available for a very small, quiet generator. I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for > when the temperature is pretty cold. 1st, here is the quietest generator you can get that will do what you are asking for it to do: http://mayberrys.com/honda/generator/models/eu1000i.htm Now to your other problem. Diehard doesn't make a battery suitable for deep discharge RV service. The battery you have is for short use cranking power and has no "staying power", so I'd also spend the money on a deep cycle battery. I'll let others tell you which battery to buy, but I get mine at West Marine - the one that is a true deep cycle, not the "cranking deep cycle" model. Tom J I second Tom's advice re: battery. I've never used a furnace, but I am hearing folks reporting days, not minutes or hours, of furnace use. That indicates to me that your exisiting battery is bad, as well as possibly the wrong kind. The truer deep cycle battery will be marked something like 'trolling'. Pete >> I have a small pop up truck camper. I am thinking I would like to >> investigate what is available for a very small, quiet generator. I [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Tom J I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, they have a complete line of Marine Deep Cycle (true deep cycle) and Marine Starting batteries (a sort of compromise between deep cycle and a starting battery). For the op's use, I would recommend the Marine Deep Cycle. I have used several, in both marine and rv applications and was very satisfied with their performance. They are as good as most and better than a lot. Dave D > I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, > they > have a complete line of Marine Deep Cycle (true deep cycle) and > Marine Starting batteries Give me a description and part number on a current Diehard battery that is a true deep cycle battery, then I'll retract. Tom J >> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >> they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Tom J I searched the Sears site and only came up with three deep-cycle batteries, all different sizes of the same battery: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02827494000P?keyword=deep+cycle+battery Sure looks like a dual-purpose to me, not a true deep cycle. Says it can be used for starting and the specs have CCA and RC. Pete > I searched the Sears site and only came up with three deep-cycle > batteries, all different sizes of the same battery: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sure looks like a dual-purpose to me, not a true deep cycle. Says it > can be used for starting and the specs have CCA and RC. Thats just one of their lower end ones. Heres their full list. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/s_10153_12605_Automotive_Batteries+%26+Chargers_Marin e+Batteries >> I searched the Sears site and only came up with three deep-cycle >> batteries, all different sizes of the same battery: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.sears.com/shc/s/s_10153_12605_Automotive_Batteries+%26+Chargers_Marin e+Batteries Those are ALL dual-purpose batteries. They say 'startting' in the description and the specs include Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) and Reserve Capacity (RC), which are starting battery specs. Go to http://www.trojan-battery.com/ Then go to RV page, then to SCS225 battery -- Look at specs carefully. Then go to Golf Cart page, then to T-1275 and compare specs. Pete > Go to > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Then go to Golf Cart page, then to T-1275 and compare specs. I realize the difference in specs. It doesn't mean it would outperform the top of the line Die Hard deep cycle in RV (non-starting) applications. They just don't spec it for such applications. I've had very good results with the Die Hard. I dry camp quite a bit. A single battery lasts me a over a week running lights and daily showers. The heater fan does run it down quick though. >>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>> they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Sure looks like a dual-purpose to me, not a true deep cycle. Says it >can be used for starting and the specs have CCA and RC. That doesn't mean it's not a deep cycle. For instance, if you go to http://www.rollsbattery.com/Marine/marinespecs.htm you'll see that Rolls also gives RC and CCA for all their batteries. And I don't think you'll get an argument from anyone that Rolls marine batteries aren't "true deep cycle" batteries. Deep cycle batteries can also be used for starting. I used to do that all the time with my sailboat. I didn't do the "1 starting and 1 deep cycle" thing. I just had 2 deep cycle batteries and would alternate which one I'd discharge and which one I'd save in reserve to start the battery. Doing it that way meant I could wait twice as long before I had to "deal with batteries." Steve >> I searched the Sears site and only came up with three deep-cycle >> batteries, all different sizes of the same battery: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I > had to "deal with batteries." Steve, a marine "starting/Deep cycle battery has no where near the staying power of a true deep cycle battery. If you did dry camping like I do, you would soon know the difference. Here is a good discription of what each type battery is good for: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/westadvisor/10001/-1/10001/B atteryTypes.htm Here is a discription of a true deep cycle battery. Notice the 175 reserve minutes per cycle compared to those Diehard dual purpose batteries. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/5326 3/377%20710/0/SeaVolt%20AGM%20deep%20cycle/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallparti al/0/0?N=377%20710&Ne=0&Ntt=SeaVolt%20AGM%20deep%20cycle&Ntk=Primary%20Search&Nt x=mode%20matchallpartial&Nao=0&Ns=0&keyword=SeaVolt%20AGM%20deep%20cycle&isLToke nURL=true&storeNum=5002&subdeptNum=9&classNum=677 If you can't see the difference, I give up!! Tom J >>> I searched the Sears site and only came up with three deep-cycle >>> batteries, all different sizes of the same battery: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >If you can't see the difference, I give up!! You might as well give up then. I don't want to rain on your parade but those rolls batteries are true deep cycle batteries and yet they can also be used to start an engine. Steve >>> I searched the Sears site and only came up with three deep-cycle >>> batteries, all different sizes of the same battery: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Tom J Tom, First off I apologise for my rather terse reply to your post. Your post caught me at a bad moment and I reacted not in a very logical manner. Once again I apologise. Now - my meaning was thus. When I worked in the Sears Auto Center we carried several lines of Deep Cycle and Marine Starting batteries. Today I learned that those particular batteries were made for Sears by Exide. A few years ago, long after I no longer worked there, Sears severed ties with Exide and went with batteries made by Johnson Controls. Now here is the information I got from the Auto Center today. It was over the phone as I live some distance from the nearest Sears store. They have three batteries (or series thereof) which are germane to our discussion. Sears Marine Platinum, Sears Marine Deep Cycle, and Sears Marine Starting. The Marine Starting is NOT a deep cycle battery and its power rating is given in CCA only. The Marine Deep Cycle IS a true deep cycle battery. Its power rating is give in both CCA and RC but a check of the application book shows its use to be that of a deep cycle and not a cranking battery. I was told that the reason both CCA and RC ratings were given is that many people have no idea of what RC means but are familiar with the CCA. The last is a Sears Marine Platinum. This is touted as a dual service battery. As you and I both know, that simply doesn't work. It will not perform well as a cranking battery or a deep cycle battery. Those kinds of compromise never come up to expectations in my experience. DaveD >>>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>>> they [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Steve First, I'd like to point out that the Sears batteries would likely serve the OP well, as would most dual-purpose marine deep-cycle batteries from Wally or auto parts. However, we have a difference of opinion on 'deep cycle' and 'deep cycle dual purpose'. Please see my Trojan post and look at the specs and the difference between a deep cycle RV battery and a deep cycle golf cart battery. BTW, I personally wouldn't want a true deep cycle on a boat if I had an engine that might need starting, unless I had a lot of other ways to start it. Likely, that's why Rolls' Marine Deep Cycle batteries are hybrid/dual purpose, not true deep cycles like their solar batteries seem to be. Here's a Marine battery quote from Rolls: QUOTE Engine cranking (or starting) batteries require high current output. In marine service, the batteries should have much greater capacity than normally required for the same horsepower "shore-based" equipment. In the event of starting trouble, a reserve of cranking capacity should be available, otherwise, the batteries will be dead before the trouble is corrected! END QUOTE Again, that sure sounds like a dual purpose battery to me. Here's a quote from Darden's Battery FAQ: QUOTE 7.1.8. What Are the Differences Between Car, Marine/RV "Dual Purpose", and Deep Cycle Batteries? Car and marine/RV starting batteries are specially designed with thinner (.04 inch or 1.02 mm) and more porous plates for a greater surface area to order produce the high current required to start an engine. They are engineered for up to 5,000 shallow (to 3% Depth-of-Discharge) discharges, which is over four engine starts per day. Starting batteries should NOT be discharged below 10% Depth-of-Discharge (DoD). They use sponge lead and expanded metal grid paste plates rather than solid lead plates. Marine/RV "dual purpose" batteries are a compromise between a car and deep cycle battery and are designed for starting and prolonged discharges at lower amperage that typically consumes between 20% and 50% of the battery's capacity. The plates are thicker that in starting batteries, but thinner than in deep cycle batteries. Motive and stationary deep cycle batteries have much thicker (up to .25 inch or 6.35 mm) plates, thicker grids, more lead, and weight more than car batteries of the same size. They also have a slightly higher Specific Gravity and are normally discharged between 20% and 80% Depth-of-Discharge at a lower amperage. Deep cycle batteries will typically outlast two to ten car batteries in a deep cycle application. END QUOTE If a battery has cranking specs, it was intended to start engines; perhaps not as a primary purpose like a car battery, but part of its reason for existence. True deep cycle batteries aren't intended to start engines and don't have engine starting specs. Here's more from the 12V Side of Life QUOTE Starting batteries are normally used to start and run engines. Engine starters need a very large starting current for a very short time. Starting batteries have a large number of thin plates for maximum surface area. The plates are composed of a Lead "sponge", similar in appearance to a very fine foam sponge. This gives a very large surface area, but if deep cycled, this sponge will quickly be damaged and will fall to the bottom of the cells. Automotive batteries will generally fail after 30 or more deep cycles. Deep cycle batteries are designed to be discharged down as much as 80% repeatedly, and have much thicker plates. The major difference between a true deep cycle battery and others is that the plates are solid Lead plates - not sponge. Unfortunately, it is often impossible to tell what kind of battery you are really buying in some of the discount stores or places that specialize in automotive batteries. Many Marine batteries are actually "hybrid", and fall between the starting and deep-cycle batteries, while a few are true deep cycle. In the hybrid, the plates may be composed of Lead sponge, but it is coarser and heavier than that used in starting batteries. It is often hard to tell what you are getting in a "marine" battery, but most are a hybrid. "Hybrid" types should not be discharged more than 50%. A battery's capacity for storing energy is rated in several different ways, depending on the battery type. Starting batteries are often rated in Cold Cranking Amps or CCA. CCA is the discharge load in amps which a battery can sustain for 30 seconds at 0 degrees F. and not fall below 1.2 volts per cell (7.2V on 12V battery). This battery rating measures a burst of energy that a car needs to start on a cold morning. Deep cycle batteries are often rated in Amp/Hours. Amp/Hour rating of battery capacity is calculated by multiplying the current (in amperes) by time (in hours) the current is drawn. For example: A battery which can deliver 4 amperes for 20 hours before being discharged would have a 80 amp-hour battery rating (4 X 20= 80). You may also see batteries rated with a Reserve Capacity. RC is the number of minutes a new, fully charged battery at 80 degrees F. will sustain a discharge load of 25 amps to a cut-off voltage of 1.75 volts per cell (10.5V on 12V battery). This battery rating measures more of a continuous load on the battery. For RV use, this rating is a little less useful, as the common loads that RV use puts on a battery are a lot less than that 25 amp load used to determine RC. END QUOTE Pete >>>>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>>>> they [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >are hybrid/dual purpose, not true deep cycles like their solar >batteries seem to be. No, the marine "deep cycle" batteries as show in http://www.rollsbattery.com/pdf/marspec.pdf really are true heavy duty deep cycle batteries, just like their solar counterparts. They really can be deep discharged to much lower percentages of capacity than a starting or dual purpose battery, and brought back to full charge many hundreds of times. This is very typical of how sailboats use them. A solar battery like an L16 would perform just just as well in a sailboat and be able to start the engine. From the rolls site: "A deep cycle battery can provide a surge when needed, but nothing like the surge a car battery can. A deep cycle battery is also designed to be deeply discharged over and over again (something that would ruin a car battery very quickly)." The surge from a deep cycle battery is more than adequate to start a small sailboat engine. Maybe not enough to start large powerboat engines like a true starter battery can. Steve >>>>>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>>>>> they [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Steve NOPE! I would not buy a battery made in Massachusetts, land of the commie politicians, Kerry & Kennedy.  SignatureBILL P. [...] >> From the rolls site: "A deep cycle battery can provide a surge when >> needed, but nothing like the surge a car battery can. A deep cycle [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >NOPE! I would not buy a battery made in Massachusetts, land of the >commie politicians, Kerry & Kennedy. Do yourself a favor and buy one made in China then. They're not commies, right? Steve >>NOPE! I would not buy a battery made in Massachusetts, land of the >>commie politicians, Kerry & Kennedy. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Steve China is the enemy without, Kerry/Kennedy/Fwank/Meehan are the enemy within. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > [...] >>> From the rolls site: "A deep cycle battery can provide a surge when [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Steve Bull sh.t, Kerry, Kennedy, Jane Fonda and a few more that plays against the defense of the US are Commies just as much as China and Cuba. Sorry Steve, you just think every one is as honest as maybe you are but unfortunately they are not. We have some self generated internal enemy agents that work hard against the sovereign state within the US. Educate your self. http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets http://www.wintersoldier.com/ SignaturePosted by HOPPIE, 30 Years Active Duty ,11 Campaigns Vietnam, 100% DAV, Life Member; Am.Lgn,DAV,VFW,AFSA,VVA. >> [...] >>>> From the rolls site: "A deep cycle battery can provide a surge when [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Bull sh.t, Kerry, Kennedy, Jane Fonda and a few more that plays against >the defense of the US are Commies just as much as China and Cuba. I think you missunderstood me. When I said "They're not commies, right", I was sarcastically referring to China, not Kerry and Kennedy. >Sorry Steve, you just think every one is as honest as maybe you are but >unfortunately they are not. We have some self generated internal enemy >agents that work hard against the sovereign state within the US. That's all well and good. But it doesn't mean I'm not going to buy something made in Mass in favor of one made in China just because Kerry and Kennedy are from Mass. Steve Yes, that would be as rediculous as not buying ANY auto made in Michigan, just because the Dodge brothers were born there. s > That's all well and good. But it doesn't mean I'm not going to buy > something made in Mass in favor of one made in China just because > Kerry and Kennedy are from Mass. > > Steve > Yes, that would be as rediculous as not buying ANY auto made in Michigan, > just because the Dodge brothers were born there. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Steve You people do not seem to understand the problems of those holdings the reins in the state of Mas. Look at your superior judge Richard Moses allowing three child molesters to be released against the recommendations of the prosecuting authority and doctors involved with their cases. What happened, they went out and allegedly committed the same type of crimes. SignatureBILL P. >> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, they >> have a complete line of Marine Deep Cycle (true deep cycle) and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tom J Did you read my post???? Did you miss the phrase, "Unless Sears has quit carrying them". If you want a description and a part number, go to your nearest Sears Auto Center and look for yourself. DaveD >>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>> they have a complete line of Marine Deep Cycle (true deep cycle) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > quit carrying them". If you want a description and a part number, go > to your nearest Sears Auto Center and look for yourself. WHERE YOU HAVE NOT, I HAVE - THERE IS NO SUCH BATTERY!!!!!!! Maybe you can hear now!! Tom J >> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >> they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Tom J http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850131000P\ http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850134000P Steve >>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>> they [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850131000P\ You have reached this page because the product you selected is no longer available on our site, or is temporarily out of stock due to high demand. > http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850134000P SPECS: "Power Ratings: Cold Cranking Amps (CCA at 0 deg.F): 880 Reserve Capacity (RC): 135 min." Like I said, not a TURE deep cycle battery. Tom J >>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>> they [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Steve The link that works is to a dual-purpose battery.... Pete >>>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>>> they [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >The link that works is to a dual-purpose battery.... This morning they both worked. Steve >>>>> I must differ with you Tom. Unless Sears has quit carrying them, >>>>> they [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Steve Just tried it again and it looks like they are having a run on dual purpose marine batteries. "Looking for something at Sears.com? You have reached this page because the product you selected is no longer available on our site, or is temporarily out of stock due to high demand." Pete I have a Yamaha 1000w generator that is really quiet. I use it for my 5th wheel, but it will not run the microwave or A/C of course. It runs the furnace, the other accessories and we run a small vacuum cleaner. It's just the thing for boondocking. It charges the batteries through the trailers electrical system, or it has a 12v option and I can charge the batteries directly. At home it runs a weed whacker, chain saw, miter saw, dog clippers, and other small motors. I used it at one time as the power source for my 13 foot camper trailer. The single trailer battery ran the furnace for about 4 hours. The generator would run it the rest of the time. If I put a plastic milk carton over the generator it even made it more quiet, but gave it plenty of air, besides disguising it. >I have a small pop up truck camper. I am thinking I would like to >investigate what is available for a very small, quiet generator. I >only really need it to run my furnace and light. I have a portable die >hard battery, but it only will hold a charge to run the furnace for >about 20 minutes. Then you obviously need a new battery! Any battery with modest health can easily carry a 10 amp furnace for a full night under the most adverse of conditions. Albeit, the common-sense approach to winter camping, would include heavy blankets! > A guy at an RV store told me that as these furnaces >age, it takes alot of charge to start them. Let's not discuss the awesome nonsensical opinions of RV salesmen; who a mere week before failed to secure a job flipping burgers at MacDonald's! :-( Only total idiots obtain advice from total iditots!! > I only need to do this for when the temperature is pretty cold. Yeah! We pretty much figured that! >It would enable me to go camping >in the mountains in the national forest where there are no electrical >hookups in the cold weather. While it might come as a great surprise, when you go *camping* in cold weather, it's considered prudent to take along a few extra blankets. No? >If the generator was very quiet, I >wouldn't have to worry to much about complaints when you aren't >supposed to run generators, Horseshit! Just give it a try, and find out what happens! > since not alot of people camp there in the >winter and probably no one would even be able to hear a small quiet >generator. Stoooopid premise. Winter tent campers can hear an obnoxious generator running from at least five miles away!! If you are depending upon that, as some sort of travelling strategy, then you should go back to the drawing board!! > Any recommendations on something small, quiet, reliable ? Honda has a whole bunch of generators that will serve your needs, as long as you aren't naive enough to figure that you can run them with impunity during quiet hours in National Parks; or you will be on your way out of the park, and down the road quicker than anything you could imagine!! > Honda has a whole bunch of generators that will serve your needs, as > long as you aren't naive enough to figure that you can run them with > impunity during quiet hours in National Parks; or you will be on your > way out of the park, and down the road quicker than anything you could > imagine!! Yeah for sure. You gotta watch out for those eco-Nazis employed by the National Park Circus. DaveD >> Honda has a whole bunch of generators that will serve your needs, as >> long as you aren't naive enough to figure that you can run them with >> impunity during quiet hours in National Parks; or you will be on your >> way out of the park, and down the road quicker than anything you could >> imagine!! >Yeah for sure. You gotta watch out for those eco-Nazis employed by the >National Park Circus. If not, they'll be watching you anyway! In Zion, we did the usual winter routine: running the gen for an hour before bunking down for a cold winter's night; intending to shut the generator off at 10 pm for the designated quiet hours. Well . . . I messed up; and at exactly 10:00:01 pm, someone was hammering on our door!! Upon opening the door, we were "greeted" by eco-Nazi (as Dave says) Brun Hilda! Goose-stepp boots 'n all! "Diss iss verbotten !!!!!" Then she marched away muttering something like: "dumkoff!" When we overnighted at Bryce, in the snow at 8,500 feet, quiet hours commenced at 8 pm!! On the basis that a little heat is better than none at all, we set the thermostat to it's lowest setting (40F if I recall) and then piled on the blankets! :-) Stan Newmarket, ON >> Honda has a whole bunch of generators that will serve your needs, as >> long as you aren't naive enough to figure that you can run them with >> impunity during quiet hours in National Parks; or you will be on your >> way out of the park, and down the road quicker than anything you could >> imagine!! >Yeah for sure. You gotta watch out for those eco-Nazis employed by the >National Park Circus. Call them whatever names you find amusing. They're just doing their job. If the "quiet hours" rules are made clear and you flagrantly break them, then you *ought* to be tossed out. People have a right to expect peace and quiet in a national forest. If you can't live by the rules, camp elsewhere. It's not all about you. GB in NC >If you can't live by the rules, camp elsewhere. It's not all about you. >GB in NC Can't argue against that!! And definitely the way to go! >>> Honda has a whole bunch of generators that will serve your needs, as >>> long as you aren't naive enough to figure that you can run them with [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > GB in NC No! I calls em like I sees em...I would bet that I have had closer and much longer contact and dealings with the Park Circus, Bureau of Land Management, and the Forest Service. The difference is unbelievable. The BLM and Forest Service, for the most part, are relatively reasonable. They are the "user friendly" organisations. The Park Circus, on the other hand, would be just as happy if no one ever came to visit THEIR Park. Some of the niceties - planting acoustic and photo sensors along trails to check that the users are riding the "appropriate vehicles", etc.How about holding a public meeting in a location accessible only by air but the airfield can be used only with a Parky's permission or designating a ranking member of the Wilderness Society as a one day Park "volunteer" and using the Park's aircraft to fly him to said meeting. BTW the subject of the meeting? Designating all areas within the Park as Wilderness to prohibit use of orvs... So don't try to tell me that they are just doing their jobs. What a crock! So were Eichmann, Hess, Goebels, etc..... DaveD >So don't try to tell me >that they are just doing their jobs. What a crock! So were Eichmann, Hess, >Goebels, etc..... LOL. Nazis invoked in nonpolitical discussion. End of thread. GB in NC > I have a small pop up truck camper. I am thinking I would like to > investigate what is available for a very small, quiet generator. I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Any recommendations on something small, quiet, reliable ? I agree with several other posters. You can't beat the Honda 1000/1500/2000 gensets. I have an EU1000 that I carry in my truck bed camper and my fiver. It starts easily, runs quietly, provides enough power for most needs, and has given me no problems at all.... Dave D Thanks for the comments. When I first bought my pop up truck camper, a viking, I tried to hook up the converter to the battery. I followed the way the guys where I bought it had explained, but the fuse blew when I hooked it up, and I swear the conenction was as they said it should be. I bought the camper used, and for many years I did not worry about running the furnace. I used a black cat heater sometimes, and often didn't camp in the winter that much any way. A guy at an RV place told me electrical systems on campers are complicated. I'm not sure I really care about figuring out how to hook up a battery or not. Maybe I would just run the camper straight off a generator. I only care about doing that when the temp is well below freezing, and I only do it for brief periods while I am changing, cooking, or practicing the guitar in the camper. When I sleep at night I don't run any heat, I have a 0 degree sleeping bag, and I read in bed like that as well. When it's cold like that, there are not many people camping and they often are farther away so noise complaints would probably not be that common. When the outside temp is upper 30's and 40's, the black cat heater works fine to heat the place up and makes no sound. > Thanks for the comments. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > and 40's, the black cat heater works fine to heat the place up and > makes no sound. I hate to sound so repetitive But you do not have an adequate battery. It would be to your best intrest to have an RV maintenance shop take care of connecting your converter. Considering you intend on running a cold camp with just the heater running you should check to insure all other items are actually turned off. If you have a small camper that could have one of the three way refrigerators, it could be draining your DC power source unless you turn it off. I have no idea what a portable die hard battery is. But if you obtain a group 31 Trolling battery along with a 1000i Honda generator used for day time recharging the battery, by using a Smart charger, Victor or similar, NOT the converter. You will have all the power you will need for an eight hour night camping episode. SignaturePosted by HOPPIE, 30 Years Active Duty ,11 Campaigns Vietnam,100% DAV, Life Member; Am.Lgn,DAV,VFW,AFSA
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