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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / March 2008Many states require CDL license to operate RV
Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. Are you operating legally? Check it out here: http://changingears.com/rv-sec-state-rv-license.shtml CA, CT, DC, HI, IL, KS, MD, MI, NC, NV, NY, PA, SC, TX, UT, WI, WY all require some sort of CDL depending on the size or weight of your RV. Sounds to me that owning and operating an RV is just getting to be too expensive and too much trouble with a bureaucratic hassle. Maybe it's time to get rid of the RV and take up a more responsible hobby such as getting a membership at the local gym. Harry Harris  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris Good information until those snide comments there at the end, Harry. If you don't care for RV people then what are you doing wasting your time in the news groups for them? -- Gregory Hall >> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) >> to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Gregory Hall Lighten up, Dude. Harry Harris has got just as much right to post here as anybody. At least this time he isn't on a propane rant like he usually is. Besides, I agree with his parting shot. I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. I do a lot of training on the highways and byways in the U.S. and in Europe. If there bad drivers then RVers in the United States take the cake. They bully cyclists and they are totally ignorant of the laws that govern the use of the roads by bicycles and motor vehicles. Most think they own the roads and act like everybody has to get out of their way. They are rude and they are a hazard to life and limb not only for cyclists but for small cars and motorcycles. How is it that in many states any fat, half-blind and totally uncoordinated old fool can legally get behind the wheel of an RV the size of a Greyhound bus and tow a trailer behind it too and not be required to have anything but a regular license that you get to drive a car??? That makes about as much sense as letting some twit who drives a little outboard motorboat operate an ocean liner. The more RVers who decide to do the responsible thing from a safety and environmental standpoint and sell their dangerous pollution machine rigs and get a real life the better myself and my fellow pros will like it. Shad O'Shay >>> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) >>> to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Thank you for your support. People like Gregory Hall are idiots. They spout their garbage but then they try to tell other people to shut up. Such hypocrites. I'm glad you agree with me about the negative aspects of RVs and people who use them. Arrogant, selfish and rude people for the most part. Not all of them but a high percentage for sure are misfits. Probably can't get along with their neighbors at home so they have to sell their houses before they come back and find them burned to the ground..... I'd sum them up as modern day hoboes with enough money to buy their own trains but on rubber tires instead of steel wheels. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) >>>> to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Harry Harris By the way I forgot to thank you for your helpful information, if others would strive to be as helpful it would definitely improve this out of control news group <G> SignatureBILL P. Just Me & DOG Shad brings with him a good point. There might be enough gray hair around to force adult on-road bicyclists to be licensed and regulated. While they "have their right to the road", that right does not extend to the abuse that is becoming typical of their genre. A license and a dose of regulation could go a long way to helping Shad protect his compatriots. At a minimum, enforcing the existing laws against improper bicycle operation would help a great deal. We're here for you Shad. So is the AARP. Upset a bunch of them and see if you attain your goal. > Shad brings with him a good point. There might be enough gray hair > around to force adult on-road bicyclists to be licensed and regulated. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > We're here for you Shad. So is the AARP. Upset a bunch of them and > see if you attain your goal. And, bicyclists should be insured. How many times has a bicyclist been so tired from pumping all day to run into a parked vehicle and damage it? Scratch and dent only to pick themselves back up and continue wry of leaving a note. And how many bicyclists have been out peddling their a** around town and pull off to relieve themselves instead of using a public faculty? I say ban the bicyclists from the open road. They should be limited to inter city riding and commuting. Park riding only I say. Stay off the open highway. SignatureZyp > I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. Theres already enough arrogant cyclists such as yourself running around on roads built for motor vehicles. They are unsafe and should stick to bicycle paths and parkways. >> I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. > >Theres already enough arrogant cyclists such as yourself running around >on roads built for motor vehicles. They are unsafe and should stick to >bicycle paths and parkways. Back when I was a teenager, (which was probably before most off you were born) the city where I grew up had a requirement that ALL bicycles be licensed and that the bicyclists obey ALL rules of the road. They even had a special court to adjudge the offenses. Today I see so many arrogant yuppies that don't believe that they should have to obey ANY rules of the road nor should they have to pay for the privilege of using the roadways that were built for and paid for by motor vehicles. They don't even pay for the bicycle paths and parkways. George SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com And don't forget, the bicyclists never, I mean never stop at stop signs. And signals, forget it. They just turn when they feel like it. SignatureZyp >>>> I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > And don't forget, the bicyclists never, I mean never stop at stop signs. > And signals, forget it. They just turn when they feel like it. Have you taken a look lately at how many motor vehicles don't stop at stop signs? Pay attention for once and you'll see maybe one in ten stopping. The rest slow down and roll through the stop sign. As for signals I frequently give the middle finger salute to you ignorant bully RVers who think you own the road and try to honk or run me off my legal place there. But keep getting angry. From what I can see of how fat and out of shape most of you RVers are you're gonna have a fatal heart attack or stroke real soon anyway and good riddance to you all. Shad O'Shay >>> I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > They don't even pay for the bicycle paths and parkways. Since when have cyclists been exempt from paying taxes? Seems to me I pay plenty of taxes. I own a couple of automobiles and an RV so I pay fuel and registration taxes. I own a couple of homes so I pay property taxes. I pay income taxes on my mid six-figure income. And, yes, cyclists are required to obey traffic laws in most states. Bicycles are considered vehicles in most traffic statutes. Bicyclists can be ticketed for disobeying the law. That doesn't give you wannabe cops and frustrated fat old fart RVers with your ignorance of the law any credence at all, now does it? Shad O'Shay Mid six figure income and riding a bicycle. Hmmmmm.. what a dumass.. s >I pay income taxes on my mid six-figure income. > >> Shad O'Shay >> I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. > >Theres already enough arrogant cyclists such as yourself running around >on roads built for motor vehicles. They are unsafe and should stick to >bicycle paths and parkways. He's no cyclist, he's Harry Harris's sock-puppet and butt buddy. SignatureFrank Tabor Tempus Fugit >> I'm a professional cyclist and make my living racing cycles. > > Theres already enough arrogant cyclists such as yourself running around on > roads built for motor vehicles. They are unsafe and should stick to > bicycle paths and parkways. You are one ignorant fat sumbitch! Typical of most RVer morons. Bicycles are entitled by state law to operate on the roadway other than freeways and turnpikes. If you don't like it then that's just too bad. Shad O'Shay >>> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's >>> license) to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > will like it. > Shad O'Shay And how is it that any *fat, half-blind and to tired to totally coordinate there bicycle* are allowed to ride on a highway they DIDN'T pay for. I didn't see any bicycle road tax paid for the air in their tires. Professional bicycle riders should ride / practice on closed tracks and stay off of public roads. I don't see professional car racers practicing on open public roads. So why should a professional cyclist? The more cyclists who decide to do the responsible thing from a safety and environmental standpoint and sell their bicycles and get a real life to better themselves and the motoring public, me and my fellow RV'ers will like it.! SignatureZyp >Professional bicycle riders should ride / practice on closed tracks and stay >off of public roads. I don't see professional car racers practicing on open [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >better themselves and the motoring public, me and my fellow RV'ers will like >it.! I was behind a car a few weeks ago and he signaled a right turn at an upcoming intersection. His directionals were on for at least 10 seconds prior to entering. As he made the right turn, a bicyclist passed me on the right and plowed into his right side door. I couldn't see if he was hurt but he did fall to the blacktop. I left because I figgered he was ok and HIS insurance could cover the damage to the car. ham SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>Professional bicycle riders should ride / practice on closed tracks and >>stay [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ham So you freely admit leaving the scene of an accident where there were personal injuries, possibly severe? Typical RVer shirklaw. You don't even realize what you did is a crime. Shad O'Shay Wrong again. He wasn't involved. So no requirement to hang around. s > So you freely admit leaving the scene of an accident where there were > personal injuries, possibly severe? Typical RVer shirklaw. You don't even > realize what you did is a crime. > > Shad O'Shay > Wrong again. He wasn't involved. So no requirement to hang around. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Shad O'Shay http://www.njtrafficlawcenter.com/leav_scene.htm Educate yourself. Since the braggart was blocking the signal of the car in front of him and the cyclist hit that car because he couldn't see the signal the braggart's car was legally "involved." It was an integral part of the accident even thought it wasn't the vehicle that hit or was hit by the bicycle. And, not only that, there is a social and legal responsibility in many states to do your best to render life saving aid to any injured person. You just don't walk or drive away to leave somebody to die. (unless you're a pompous a**hole RVer, that is!) Shad O'Shay >>>> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's >>>> license) to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > there bicycle* are allowed to ride on a highway they DIDN'T pay for. I > didn't see any bicycle road tax paid for the air in their tires. Since when has it been illegal for cyclists to own motor vehicles and pay taxes for building? Since I make probable five or ten times the income you make and since I own an RV and two automobiles and two homes I'd say I pay plenty of taxes. As a matter of fact since I pay more taxes than you using your lamo argument that means I have MORE right to ride my bike on the roadway than you have to drive your car or RV. > Professional bicycle riders should ride / practice on closed tracks and > stay off of public roads. I don't see professional car racers practicing > on open public roads. So why should a professional cyclist? Shows your ignorance yet again, dude! Professional race car drivers drive on the roads all the time. Most of them have several cars and many are some bad-assed muscle cars. And they certainly don't stay under the speed limit all the time. A cyclist professional or not has just as much legal right to ride on the roadways as you bully RVers have. So get used to it before you have a stroke. > The more cyclists who decide to do the responsible thing from a safety and > environmental standpoint and sell their bicycles and get a real life to > better themselves and the motoring public, me and my fellow RV'ers will > like it.! What, you'd don't like it when a responsible citizen rides his bike that doesn't burn one drop of petroleum and doesn't pollute one bit. But you think it's OK for fat, out of shape slobs with stomachs the size of a weather balloon to squeeze their disgusting obese and flabby bodies into a huge bus-sized RV that spews pollution and greenhouse gases ten to twenty times more than the average car? What a loser and a hypocrite! Shad O'Shay >>>>> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's >>>>> license) to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > a loser and a hypocrite! > Shad O'Shay Generally speaking, when someone starts to lose an argument, they resort to name calling and cussing. Nuff said. SignatureZyp >> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) >> to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Gregory Hall If anybody's a waste of time, YOU ARE! <PLONK> SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) >> to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Gregory Hall I'm here to suck dicks and get a.s f.cked as much as I can. I've gotten so good at sucking off the propane delivery man, I've decided to branch out and see if I can suck off all the RVers in America. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) >>> to legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Harry Harris Here Maybe this will feel good, PLUNK! - >> Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to >> legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >don't care for RV people then what are you doing wasting your time in the >news groups for them? Gregory, It is all false. NO state requires a CDL to operate an RV. Ignore Harry SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another form of license under certain (extreme) conditions. For example, in North Carolina, you have a regular operator's license unless you want to pull a trailer over 10,000 pounds or operate a vehicle over 26,000 pounds. Driving through North Carolina with any form of Ohio operator's license while driving such vehicles does not require anything additional. See http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/driver%5Fservices/drivershandbook/chapter1/typesLicense s.html#Classified%20License > It is all false. NO state requires a CDL to operate an RV. > Ignore Harry > Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another > form [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > operator's license while driving such vehicles does not require > anything additional. It's still not a CDL. CDL licenses are only for commercial drivers. Tom J been ther done that & still have CDL - not required for RV Hi Tom, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. As I related, a CDL isn't required. You seem to agree with that when you say a CDL is for commercial drivers. Harry's message goes farther. If you read it again, you'll see that he is saying that a normal operator's license may not suffice. In fact, in some states and under specific circumstances, a normal operator's license will not suffice. You must have more than a normal operator's license. Luckily, those conditions are rare. Steve >> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another >> form [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Tom J > been ther done that & still have CDL - not required for RV > Hi Tom, > > I'm not sure what you are trying to say. As I related, a CDL isn't > required. You seem to agree with that when you say a CDL is for > commercial drivers. This: ">> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, " In short it was the "sort of". Long version - It's not "sort of" any CDL. It may be restrictions on a drivers license, as many states have on different types of vehicles, but has nothing at all to do with a CDL. As a matter of record, the Federal Transportation Commission regulates CDL drivers license and all states have to comply with these regulations, and not all the regulations apply to every state the same. The CDL only applies to commercial vehicles, which in some cases can even be an automobile. That doesn't imply that a CDL is "sort of" a regular drivers license. Tom J >> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another >> form [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Tom J >been ther done that & still have CDL - not required for RV That's not exactly true. Californians, who live in the center of the universe, refer to their driver's licenses as CDL. Pete >>> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another >>> form [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Pete That's because those Californians are not too smart. They need to read section 12804.9. of the CA vehicle code. (If they can read at all.) George SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another >>>> form [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >George SHEESH!! Take that shiny piece of twisted metal with a barbed point on it out of your mouth. Give back the sinker and the line, too. How else would _you_ abbreviate a <C>alifornia <D>river's <L>icense ?? >That's not exactly true. Californians, who live in the center of the >universe, refer to their driver's licenses as CDL. > >Pete I can call a pig a parrot but that doesn't give it feathers. A CDL in the motor vehicle world is a well defined concept. According to Google, a CDL in Calif. is California Digital Library. ham SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another form > of license under certain (extreme) conditions. For example, in North > Carolina, you have a regular operator's license unless you want to pull > a trailer over 10,000 pounds or operate a vehicle over 26,000 pounds. > Driving through North Carolina with any form of Ohio operator's license > while driving such vehicles does not require anything additional. Same is true in Ontario (not a state but many RVers drive here :) Any trailer over 4500kg (approx 10,000lbs) requires a Class A license. There is no distinction between commercial or private in the law. I've talked to a couple of Department of Transport officers about this. They say you "probably won't even get looked at if it's an RV you're hauling". Big horse trailer would get pulled over. Cheers, Joe >> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another form >> of license under certain (extreme) conditions. For example, in North [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >this. They say you "probably won't even get looked at if it's an RV >you're hauling". Big horse trailer would get pulled over. How a couple DOT officers might address this issue, is hardly significant. 1. If you are hauled over for hauling a trailer exceeding the weight specifications of your driver's licence, then from the very oustet, they are not going to allow you to drive away with a rig you are not licenced to tow! You will have to hire an appropriately licenced driver to conduct your now-disabled RV from a place of danger to a place of safety. 2. If you are involved in an accident while driving a vehicle or combination thereof; for which you are not "AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO DRIVE"; then you can reasonably expect to receive a resounding finger, even if the #3 contract has been abandoned. On Mar 24, 2:55 pm, stan.bi...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> Sort of. While a CDL isn't required, some states require another form > >> of license under certain (extreme) conditions. For example, in North [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What the DOT officers said is probably representative of DOT policy - i.e. leave RVers alone. "receive a resounding finger, even if the #3 contract has been abandoned" Please translate into english. Cheers, Joe >> 2. If you are involved in an accident while driving a vehicle or >> combination thereof; for which you are not "AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cheers, Joe Haaar! Joe, I can't translate it either! <giggle> This past week, I've been enjoined along with my co-pilot, in enjoying the worst case of the flu we've encountered in at least the past couple of decades. So . . . what I meant to say: >> 2. If you are involved in an accident while driving a vehicle or >> combination thereof; for which you are not "AUTHORIZED BY LAW TO >> DRIVE"; then you can reasonably expect to receive a resounding middle-finger >> from your insurer if you should happen to sustain any kind of otherwise >> insurable loss!! The Standard Statutory Ontario Automobile Policy is very clear: If you do not possess a valid Driver's Licence for the class of vehicle you are operating, then you are not insured! Your insurance is null and void. :-( > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris After reviewing the section "Understanding RV Weights" I tend to agree, confusing to say the least. To add to that hassle my state classes a standard load vehicle at 8,000# but my vehicle is rated at 9,000# GVWR. When they issue a tag it is for 8,000#, so I suppose I should always have it weighed and carry a scale receipt so I can prove I am not over weight. But then it is my contention that it is the LEO's responsibility to weigh me if he is going to determine I am over weight, and my GVWR has nothing to do with being overweight for the tag issued. I don't know how correct I am. SignatureBILL P. Just Me & DOG In Ohio, truckers get in trouble when they register their trucks under their empty weight. No scale needed there. Freight is just icing. Typically they register at 7,500 to stay under 10,000 pounds. In Ohio these are like camera red light tickets. They are civil and sport HUGE demands. The state files a lawsuit against the trucker who either defends or not. Not so much to defend so the trucker normally pays the demand and the suit is dropped. It is the cost of doing business when you operate illegally. Steve www.wolfswords.com under the motorhome link > To add to that hassle my state classes a standard load vehicle at 8,000# > but my vehicle is rated at 9,000# GVWR. When they issue a tag it is for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > going to determine I am over weight, and my GVWR has nothing to do with > being overweight for the tag issued. I don't know how correct I am. > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris Bullshit is still bullshit, no matter how you try to mislead people. Lon You seem to have missed the first five points entirely. a.. CDL is administered by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) a.. FMCSA defines minimum requirements that all states must meet when issuing CDL's a.. States are free to define more stringent CDL rules a.. FMCSA regulations only address commercial motor vehicles (CMV) a.. RV's used strictly for recreational and other non-commercial functions do not meet the FMCSA definition of a CMV s > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris > You seem to have missed the first five points entirely. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > issuing CDL's > a.. States are free to define more stringent CDL rules Refer back to rule three above, and grab your a.s with both hands. <G> > a.. FMCSA regulations only address commercial motor vehicles (CMV) > a.. RV's used strictly for recreational and other non-commercial functions [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Harry Harris Harry, Are you operating an RV commercially? Unless you pop the 26,000 pound limit or are operating commercially, there isn't much to be said about RVing for personal use. > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris >Harry, > >Are you operating an RV commercially? > >Unless you pop the 26,000 pound limit or are operating commercially, >there isn't much to be said about RVing for personal use. <snipped for brevity> Steve: You are correct, at least in New Jersey. What makes the difference here is "for hire", i.e. commercial use with commercial tags. - Sandy On Mar 21, 3:00�pm, "Harry Harris" <harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote: > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. > CA, CT, DC, HI, IL, KS, MD, MI, NC, NV, NY, PA, SC, TX, UT, WI, WY all > require some sort of CDL depending on the size or weight of your RV. > Harry Harris You are wrong as far as "all states require some sort of CDL" to operate an RV. As a matter of fact, MOST ( meaning more than half) do not require a CDL to operate an RV. Hank <~~~ Has had a class A CDL for years > You are wrong as far as "all states require some sort of CDL" to > operate an RV. Would you go for NONE!!!! Tom J >You are wrong as far as "all states require some sort of CDL" to >operate an RV. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Hank <~~~ Has had a class A CDL for years I have heard that a couple states require a special license for RV drivers under special circumstances. These include over 40' in length, weight over some very large number, and diesel w/ jake brake. I know of no state that requires a special license if your home state doesn't. The Interstate DL Compact (what ever it is called now) controls in all but, IIRC, 2 states and they comply with DL requirements. I may be wrong but I would have to see specific state statutes to agree, not rumors. ham SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>You are wrong as far as "all states require some sort of CDL" to >>operate an RV. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ham In Texas, the appropriate statute is at <http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/TN/content/htm/tn.007.00.000521.00.htm #521.081.00> This states that SUBCHAPTER D. CLASSIFICATION OF DRIVER'S LICENSES § 521.081. CLASS A LICENSE. A Class A driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate: (1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more; or (2) a combination of vehicles that has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, if the gross vehicle weight rating of any vehicle or vehicles in tow is more than 10,000 pounds. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. § 521.082. CLASS B LICENSE. (a) A Class B driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate: (1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating that is more than 26,000 pounds; (2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or more towing: (A) a vehicle, other than a farm trailer, with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 10,000 pounds; or (B) a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds; and (3) a bus with a seating capacity of 24 passengers or more. (b) For the purposes of Subsection (a)(3), seating capacity is computed in accordance with Section 502.162, except that the operator's seat is included in the computation. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. § 521.083. CLASS C LICENSE. A Class C driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate: (1) a vehicle or combination of vehicles not described by Section 521.081 or 521.082; and (2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 26,001 pounds towing a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. § 521.084. CLASS M LICENSE. A Class M driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate a motorcycle or moped. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. § 521.085. TYPE OF VEHICLE AUTHORIZED. Unless prohibited by Chapter 522, the license holder may operate any vehicle of the type for which that class of license is issued and any lesser type of vehicle other than a motorcycle or moped. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. >>>You are wrong as far as "all states require some sort of CDL" to >>>operate an RV. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >Safety but no answer from them also. I am trying to get something in >writing stating a Class C is Good . Dmax >>>>You are wrong as far as "all states require some sort of CDL" to >>>>operate an RV. [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >of LESS is what is the problem. Looks as if I am ok as long as I am under >26001lbs. Dmax Dmax >>According to Ram3 hyperlink I am good with a class C because it leaves >>out the statement on the class C of a trailer must weigh no more than >>than 10000 lbs which is stated in one of the Tex DL hand books and the >>10000 lbs of LESS is what is the problem. Looks as if I am ok as long >>as I am under 26001lbs. The key is the phrase "(1) a vehicle or combination of vehicles not described by Section 521.081 or 521.082". <G> >>>According to Ram3 hyperlink I am good with a class C because it leaves >>>out the statement on the class C of a trailer must weigh no more than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The key is the phrase "(1) a vehicle or combination of vehicles not > described by Section 521.081 or 521.082". <G> Here is the score so far. I have asked 5 different DPS officials and got class C 4 times and class ACDL one time. I know the one answer is wrong so I figure a class C is good. " a vehicle or combination of vehicles not described by Section 521.081 or 521.082". both start with weights over 26001 lbs. I am under it and still waiting for State Farm to get an answer in writing from Austin. Also I installed an aux tank with a hose and pump. There is a lot of DOT regs if it connected straight to the fuel system. Plus it costs a lot more and I could not DIY. total of 72 gal. should get me thru one long day. Dmax >>>>According to Ram3 hyperlink I am good with a class C because it >>>>leaves out the statement on the class C of a trailer must weigh no [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Since the total of your GVWRs is less than 26,001 your Class C should be adequate. When towing with my truck, I usually use about 60 gallons a day since I've found that it takes me about 30 gallons to get to the next Flying-J. <G> The Transfer Flow company has a setup ($$$$) that connects the auxiliary tank to the truck's fuel filler pipe and has a fuel gauge monitor/controller that continually adds fuel to the OEM tank from the auxiliary. >>>>>According to Ram3 hyperlink I am good with a class C because it >>>>>leaves out the statement on the class C of a trailer must weigh no [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > monitor/controller that continually adds fuel to the OEM tank from the > auxiliary. The transfer flow was more than twice as much $$$$$. Now I can fill up Tractors or Fords that run out. Dmax >Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to >legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Harry Harris Stupid is as stupid does...... SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to > legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris Except you are wrong - it is not a commercial license. It is a non-commercial license with essentially the same test as a commercial license. It does not qualify you to drive a commercial vehicle. Bruce >Many states now require you to have a CDL (commercial driver's license) to >legally operate an RV on that state's highways. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Harry Harris Besides not understanding the C in CDL, this post relies on a single website rife with errors. The site says "While most states do not require a CDL for driving large RV's, some do require special non-commercial licenses structured after the federal classification." They probably meant "While NO state requires a CDL for driving large RVs," which is the reality. In the table below that statement, all states have N for CDL except Wisconsin, and the note indicates that the CDL requirement only exists for RVs larger than any non-custom one made, makiing it a non-issue. I don't know how many of the state lists contains errors, but certainly the state I'm licensed in (California) is not correct. It says "Above 26,000 lb GVWR requires non-commercial Class A." That is not true. California does not have a weigth limit beyond which a non-commercial Class A is required. California does have a length limit - over 40 feet requires the special licensing. --- Don Bradner donb (not don) at arcatapet.com '90 Wanderlodge PT40 "Blue Thunder" towing '07 Jeep Liberty > Besides not understanding the C in CDL, this post relies on a single > website rife with errors. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > non-commercial Class A is required. California does have a length > limit - over 40 feet requires the special licensing. I think this site has a little more reliable info. http://www.fmca.com/fmc2006/janmag/regulations/rvregulations_06.pdf -Bob >. Maybe it's time >to get rid of the RV and take up a more responsible hobby such as getting a >membership at the local gym. > >Harry Harris f.ck You Hairy, and the horse you ride outta here! PLONK! - Pegleg U.S. Navy Retired Support Our Troops, Question The Policy! All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope. Sir Winston Churchill > PLONK! Thank God!! Now why don't the rest of you do the same thing!! Tom J PLEASE
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