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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / March 2008

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Onan BF series Gen giving me problems

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kombi - 23 Mar 2008 01:30 GMT
Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
Anyone else run into this? How did you fix it?
william boyd - 23 Mar 2008 02:09 GMT
> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
> Anyone else run into this? How did you fix it?

Cost of wires is small, but check the points, and plugs, both have the
same gap .025, but considering the effort to remove them and put them
back, I would buy new ones and insure the gap is correct. Points are not
all that expensive either, I would get a new set with the condenser and
insure they are gapped correctly. A good parts store can check the coil.

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william boyd - 23 Mar 2008 02:10 GMT
>> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
>> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
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> all that expensive either, I would get a new set with the condenser and
> insure they are gapped correctly. A good parts store can check the coil.

Here is some reference material.
http://www.perr.com/onan.html

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kombi - 23 Mar 2008 05:25 GMT
> >> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
> >> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
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> --
> BILL P.

Found the condenser. Where are the points?
Matt Colie - 23 Mar 2008 18:14 GMT
>>>> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
>>>> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
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>
> Found the condenser. Where are the points?

Clean the points, buy a new pair of spark plugs.  One plug can't fire.
They have to both fire Like old 2 cylinder motorcycles.

They are under the aluminum little cover right up on top.
Just behind the intake manifold.

Good Luck.
Matt
kombi - 23 Mar 2008 22:57 GMT
> >>>> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
> >>>> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
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> Good Luck.
> Matt

Cleaned re gaped the plugs. Cleaned re gaped the points. Minor
adjustment to the carb. Now it runs like a champ again. over an hour
under load and no problems. Thanks guys.
Alan Robinson - 23 Mar 2008 08:03 GMT
> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
> Anyone else run into this? How did you fix it?

Before you start changing things, why don't we try to figure out what the
problem is?

   Remove both spark plugs, ground the shell, and check for spark while
cranking. If you see good spark at both plugs, then the problem is probably
something else.

   If you see poor or intermittent spark at both plugs, then the
points/condenser are suspect - replace and retest. If this didn't give good
spark, use your voltmeter to verify that you have at least 11v at positive
coil terminal, and that the negative coil terminal (the one connected to the
points) swings from 11v to 0v and back to 11v as you are cranking.
(Depending on how quickly your meter responds, you may see an 'average'
figure of 5 - 7v). If these are ok and spark is still bad, then coil may be
bad.

   If you see good spark at one plug but poor or intermittent spark at the
other, swap the plugs and see if the poor spark moves with the plug or stays
with the cylinder. If the poor spark moves with the plug, then replace the
plugs. If the poor spark stays with the cylinder, then swap the spark plug
wires and see whether the poor spark moves with the wire or stays with the
cylinder. If the poor spark moves with the wire, replace the wire - if it
stays with the cylinder, then that tower of the coil may be bad.

   Just for reference, this genset fires both spark plugs once per
revolution at the same time - the cylinder on the conpression stroke and the
cylinder on the exhaust stroke - and if it's firing at all on either
cylinder normally will manage to start and run. If it's running on 1
cylinder it won't be very smooth, and won't handle load very well, but
should start and run. If one plug is badly fouled, it can short-circuit the
voltage buildup in the coil before the voltage gets high enough to jump the
gap on the unfouled plug.

   How frequently have you been using the genset - and how long has it been
since the last time you used it?

Alan
kombi - 23 Mar 2008 09:46 GMT
> > Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
> > coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
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>
> Alan

It was running. I usualy run it and the engine once a month. I know it
has not been running correctly for about 6 months. It was running on 1
cylinder. I replaced the plugs about a year ago. I also replaced the
wires. Thats when the problem really started to get bad. I think 1
plug is not firing. When it does run it back fires and the inside plug
is wet. Its an older rig and in good shape other than this. It handled
loads like a champ. ran extremely smooth. the only other problem that
came up today was it was putting out white smoke when it was running.
I have a spark tester. Ill try that. im hoping when it was running
lousy it did not hurt the coil. I checked the gap today. I think it
was at 30. Ill recheck and try again.
william boyd - 23 Mar 2008 13:32 GMT
>>> Was runnig fine. Now it wont start. I think the problem is the coil or
>>> coil wires. Looks like only 1 plug is firing. (1 Inside plug is wet)
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> lousy it did not hurt the coil. I checked the gap today. I think it
> was at 30. Ill recheck and try again.

The spark plug gap as well as the point gap should be .025. Doubt what
you found was the condenser, as it is co-located with the points under a
can cover up on top of the engine, kinda between the cylinders, could be
held down with a slip spring. What you found might have been on the coil
and is a noise suppressor.

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BILL P.


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