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We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? We thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around September. > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we > not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? We > thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around September. Carlsbad Cavern's, Meteor Crater near Flagstaff, Mesa Verde, Death Valley, take a sidetrip into Utah's Bryce, Zion NP's, and Cedar Break's, but there's not a lot to see in GC, expect for that first "WOW" followed by the same reaction at any number of roadside stops. If you feel like a little walk, there's always the trail down to the river. I've found the geology and erosion of Utah worth spending more time checking out than the GC > > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > > anniversary gift to ourselves. �Probably three weeks or so. �What should we [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I've found the geology and erosion of Utah worth spending more time > checking out than the GC In NM you should turn south of I 10 at Deming and visit Pancho Villa State Park, visit the new museum, the go 3 miles south to Mexico, Palomas and have a good cheap meal at the Pink Store. You leave your vehicle at the US side and walk accross. Get a coupon at the state park for free Margarita's before you go. I was involved with the museum and restored a FWD truck for them, had a fabulous time there. Just north of Deming is City of Rocks State Park, also a must see. In Texas of I 10 at KIngsbury (1 mile north) is the Kingsbury Aerodrome where a fabulous colection of WW ! planes and vehicles is located and WW 1 planes are being MADE. I am restoring an other FWD truck for them in the winter time. You can ask the owner to stay there overnite and more than likely get permission. John > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we > not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? We > thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around September. It depends on your finances and how you are traveling. East through Eagles Nest, then Taos for shopping. Get up to Chama, ride the Cumbres and Toltec Scenic RR through the mountains into Colorado and back (one day trip). Go South to Albuquerque and west across Northern AZ. and Check with the Grand Canyon Park and find out where and if you can stay there. If you are young and adventurous you may want to plan going into the Canyon, sightsee, hike, or raft, etc. I just like looking over the edge and scaring the heck out of myself. If you come into AZ the east, you have the painted desert, petrified forest, and the big crater. Next is the Grand Canyon. Then south to Flagstaff. Flagstaff is a nice town to spend the night, From there go south and see Jerome, and/or Crown King. Skip Phoenix,Continue on to Casa Grand for a quick pass through, then Tucson. From Tucson head east to Benson, AZ, see the Kartchner Carverns, and Tombsone is about 20 miles South east of that, then drive to Bisbee which is something like Jerome. Head back North up through Globe, through the Salt River Canyon to Payson, where you'll be in the tall pines again. Go east to Eager and Springerville, then east from Springerville to Socorro NM seeing some interesting county, and NM towns like Pie City (couple of pie stores) and Magdelena (still like the 20's meets the 60's). Connect up to the interstate south of Albuquerque and head back north then east on the interstate. If you want, head south from Socorro and go to Roswell, NM. From there south and west into Texas. None of the Mexican-AZ border towns are worth going to. Aqua Prieta across from Douglas is dangerous. Nogales is a tourist trap and dirty. San Luis/Yuma is dangerous. The rest aren't worth a visit. If you venture to Yuma in the SW corner of AZ, go to the Yuma Territorial Prison, it's a treat and an eye opener for history buffs. Also at about the California border there is a Mexican town called Algadones (means cotton)which is small, relatively safe and you can get souvenirs of Mexico, prescription drugs reasonable, and walk the town in a couple hours. Lots of gringos around. In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a reservation. Carry waterless hand cleaner. > In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian > Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a > reservation. Carry waterless hand cleaner. You should rename yourself, "Captain KKK"!!! I bet you call African Americans the "N" word, too. Bigot! Racist! -- Gregory Hall > > In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian > > Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Gregory Hall Go to the North rim pf the grand Canyon. breathtaking. you will be fine going on reservations. yes you will run into the dirty restroom here or there. but its no more than any ware else in the country. i have had really good lunches in "Indian" stops. You know what its like. This guy went to the wrong place once now he does not trust any stops on the rez. it is alot cleaner than it was 20 years ago. its still not really tourist season out here. So some things will not be open. if you decide to go like 7 or 8 hours north (Might only be like 5 or 6) Take 89 north into Utah up to Zion. beautifully. Then you can cut across over to the eastern side of Utah and go down to 4 corners. > > > In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian > > > Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > beautifully. Then you can cut across over to the eastern side of Utah > and go down to 4 corners. Sorry did not see you where going in September. End of the tourist season. Weather is good. Cooler at night. I think thats about when you will see alot of European RVers out. But I might be mistaken. That might be the beginning of summer. >>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > beautifully. Then you can cut across over to the eastern side of Utah > and go down to 4 corners. The only fairly clean place to eat on a reservation is maybe a casino, or a big franchise place like Cracker Barrel, or McDonalds, etc. I've been crossing reservations for years, and have learned not to use restrooms and not to eat there. And yes, it is cleaner than 20 years ago. >> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a >> reservation. Carry waterless hand cleaner. > >You should rename yourself, "Captain KKK"!!! I bet you call African >Americans the "N" word, too. Bigot! Racist! I have lived in AZ for 46 years. I agree with him except for his analysis of the border cities. To speak the truth about the general condition of the reservation toilet facilities isn't racist in the least. The are often less than clean and there is the continuing possibility of hanta virus. You are far too quick to yell racist based on his post. Perhaps it is you that wants to point out the negatives or did you just see the word conservative and take your liberal shots! Yours truly, Johnny Dollar!  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Yours truly, Johnny Dollar! I'm not trying to be negative. The guy said he wants to enjoy himself, so he gets the whole 9 yards. About the border towns. I worked the border. Not on the border, but ON the border. I lived 200 yards from the border. I have known Spanish speaking Hispanic and non Hispanics who have vacationed in Mexico for years. Until they were accosted by "police" and their wife raped, etc. One kid had a real cop bludgen his kid with a nightstick and steal his ATV. If you are hurt, you better carry your own morphine, and have people around who can get you to the US and get you across. I've seen muggings 10 feet inside Mexico at a border crossing almost daily. I saw a beautiful German woman dragged away by Mexicans. An American robbed and stabbed in the heart 10 feet before the turnstile to come into the US. I saw a Mexican police officer put a round through the windshield of a US car 10 feet before entering the US. Americans returned to the border with ribs sticking out, shot or other wise dying. All in daylight or under bright lights in front of dozens of people. Mexico is a corrupt,third world, source, country. Reasonably safe towns are Algadones, Mexicali if you stay away from the border colonias. Tecate is a decent town. The police have a good budget, are high visibility and literally beat the living sh.t out of anyone who harasses an American. Bums if any, carry bumps and scars and will back away bowing and apologizing for crossing your path. You can take a nap on a bench in the park, center of town, and you can tour Tecate brewery. Tijuana is OK, everyone speaks English and lots of stores and restaurants. The mayor, last I heard was Jorge Hank Rohn who is the capo tutti capo of the Baja. A regular Capone. He also owns Caliente off track betting, and Rancho Tecate where the US Customs District Director, and Federal Judicial Police used to meet the drug cartels to make deals. Today the Police Chief of a small Mexican border town came into a US port of entry seeking political asylum. Had to do with all the killings in his town, and his deputies leaving. >> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Gregory Hall If you are an Indian with a business let me tell you...Clean your restrooms daily, not monthly. Provide soap and towels. Clean your food counters. Wash your own hands frequently, and take a shower occasionally. If you work at a gas station, wipe off the door handles once in a while and the counter so that it isn't sticky. If you offer food, clean the microwave if yours works. Keep cold foods cold, warm foods warm. Wash the coffee pots occasionally. Mop the piss and sh.t from the floors. Clean the window so that people can see inside. Cleanliness shouldn't be only for the White man. >>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > window so that people can see inside. > Cleanliness shouldn't be only for the White man. You white men and women are the sloppy, uncouth, uncaring filth what came into my restroom and sh.ts and pisses all over the toilet seat, floor and walls. Why should I clean up your body waste? Was I the one with so little courtesy, manners and even less hygiene? No it was you uppity, my sh.t doesn't stink, no potty training Caucasians. You must still think Native Americans are yours slaves because you insist we clean up after your filthily habits. Sorry but Native Americans don't clean up after filthy usurpers. If you don't enjoy a filthy mess then why do you make it so? -- Gregory Hall >>>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > -- > Gregory Hall If it were White people messing up your premises, all the restrooms in Arizona and Mew Mexico would look the same. It is more than coincidence that more Indians equals more filth. You're right by your way of thinking, why should you clean up White peoples messes when you won't even clean your own. How can people who receive generous government subsidies for food and housing still live in such squalor? >>>>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>>>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Arizona > and Mew Mexico would look the same. They DO all look the same. FILTHY with white mans body wastes. Especially piss all over everything. Can't you white men even piss right? At least your women squat when they piss. Maybe you should do the same since you can't get it right standing up. > It is more than coincidence that > more Indians > equals more filth. Ironic how the bringer of filth and disease to OUR country makes claims Native Americans equals filth. This is beyond pathetic to make such a stupid claim. > You're right by your way of thinking, why should you clean up White > peoples messes when you won't even clean your own. What we do with OUR OWN is OUR OWN business not yours. What YOU do to our own is OUR business. You whites are the original filth and disease bringers and that's historical fact. If you claim to be so clean why does disease follow you to rub out entire races of men who never developed immune to your filth and disease? > How can people who receive generous government subsidies for food and > housing still live in such squalor? There you go, now your griping about your welfare cases. You whites handle it. We Native Americans don't care about your poor and squalid squaws and brats. The more who die from your own disease the better the world. -- Gregory Hall Aigaiduka Puhagan >>>>>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>>>>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Gregory Hall > Aigaiduka Puhagan The Indians were nomadic because they would sh.t up a place so bad, they had to leave. >> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a >> reservation. Carry waterless hand cleaner. > >You should rename yourself, "Captain KKK"!!! I bet you call African >Americans the "N" word, too. Bigot! Racist! Wonder when low-IQ, intellecutally-impoverished Americans are going to eventually going to get over their guilt trip, and get on with life!! And as for dimmwitt Gregory's comments on the "N" word . . . like get a life!! Just because you have chosen to contaminate the word in response to your own primordial predudices; Anyone with even grade skool educashion, knows that the awesome forbidden "N" word: "nigger" is nothing more than the latin/greek way of saying "black"!! If "black" has now become some sort of swear-word; who do you figurer made it that way?? >>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian >>> Nations, and I would rather use the desert and a bush than a restroom on a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >If "black" has now become some sort of swear-word; who do you figurer >made it that way?? Stan, I venture a guess that I could say the work "beautiful" in such a way as to make it sound obscene. In fact, have you ever heard someone say "thanks" in a way that you knew he meant exactly the opposite? $$$$$$$$$$$ Yours truly, Johnny Dollar! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >"Captain Conservative Ph.d" <bampow@florence.it> wrote in message >> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You should rename yourself, "Captain KKK"!!! I bet you call African >Americans the "N" word, too. Bigot! Racist! While Captain Conservative Ph.d makes some valid points, he merely scratches the surface; and for the most part is being more than generous in his observations/evaluations. For us, travelling through New Mexico/Arizona Injun Kountry, left with an entirely new vision of SW Injuns. Instead of leaving us with a vision of an ecologically-sensitive vision of North America; we left convinced that we had just experienced the very lowest form of slovenly self-focused don't-give-a-damn-about anyone else or the environment. For anyone who has travelled through Injun Kountry, wherever they travel, they will always be travelling on a "highway of broken glass"!! Glass from broken whiskey bottles, broken wine bottles, and broken beer bottles. The sides of the highways sparkle in great grandeur with reflections of the essence of the the culture who created it!! A culture who choses to live and wallow amongst mountains of their own garbage. :-( > >"Captain Conservative Ph.d" <bampow@florence.it> wrote in message >>> In your trip across NM and Northern AZ, avoid eating in the Indian [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > created it!! A culture who choses to live and wallow amongst mountains > of their own garbage. :-( There you go again. You blame Native Americans for white mans filth and culture (that word alone is a sham). Who is it that brought the bottle with them to OUR COUNTRY. Who is it that brought spirit water in their bottles? Who is it that builds highways for that matter to pollute our air with your iron horses? Not Native Americans. If we do defile YOUR highways with broken bottles then I say it's a good thing to do. Get them off our land and yourself with them. So go ahead blame us for YOUR making a mess of things. Keep fooling yourselves. I suppose that's good. For if you ever dared accepting the truth you would be ashamed of how you destroy all that is good from Tam Apo. Coyote go home! You are the trickster who brings evil and discontent to the world. -- Gregory Hall Agaiduka Puhagan >There you go again. You blame Native Americans for white mans filth and >culture (that word alone is a sham). Who is it that brought the bottle with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Coyote go home! You are the trickster who brings evil and discontent to the >world. Ward Churchill's brother? $$$$$$$$$$$ Yours truly, Johnny Dollar! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Mar 23, 2:58 pm, "Captain Conservative Ph.d" <bam...@florence.it> wrote: > > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we > > not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? We > > thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around September. <snip> > Head back North up through Globe, through the Salt River Canyon to > Payson, where you'll be in the tall pines again. Go east to Eager and > Springerville, then east from Springerville to Socorro NM seeing some > interesting county, and NM towns like Pie City (couple of pie stores) > and Magdelena (still like the 20's meets the 60's). If you go to Magdalena, stop in to Evetts for a huge burger and curly fries. Talk about old timey, this is the place. If you are in the Magdalena/Socorro area, you should see the Very Large Array (VLA), which is the huge 27 dish radio telescope seen in the Jodi Foster movie "Contact". Tartarus > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we > not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? We > thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around September. I forgot to ask if you are boondocking, need nice campgrounds or are simply driving. What size rig? >> We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding >> anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I forgot to ask if you are boondocking, need nice campgrounds or are > simply driving. What size rig? We have a 30" C-class. We probably would want to avoid boondocking because of air conditioning but if the temperature is nice, that would be an option. >> I forgot to ask if you are boondocking, need nice campgrounds or are >> simply driving. What size rig? >We have a 30" C-class. We probably would want to avoid boondocking because >of air conditioning but if the temperature is nice, that would be an option. Shouldn't take much a/c to cool that small an RV, anyway <g>.... GB in NC >>> We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding >>> anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > We have a 30" C-class. We probably would want to avoid boondocking because > of air conditioning but if the temperature is nice, that would be an option. When you get to Flagstaff area, you probably won't need A/C at night. Check your elevations. Kartchner Caverns area, in Benson and on to Tombstone is 3500 feet, and you will be much higher in Eager and Springerville. September evenings are really nice in AZ. A Class C should be more enjoyable than most, because your overhang protects you from the sun while driving out here. Las Vegas is quite the showplace. South of LV is Laughlin, NV, and it is like Vegas was in the 60's early 70's. The trouble with both places is that they took the fun and chance out of playing the slots by using paper receipts for play. They can track every move you make, and how much you, are betting, winning and losing, by computer. Shows are expensive. California can be a vacation in itself, and you would need a new book. I just mentioned a couple of the border towns, but, you have San Diego which would need 5 days, then a trip up the coast highway, etc. etc. If you are in Flagstaff, head west for LV, then west to LA, south to San Diego, East from San Diego on I-8 skipping Phoenix. Check out Tecate,Mx- Campo, Alpine, Julian, overnight in Ocotillo,then in the morning,skip Mexicali and Calexico, go on to Algadones if you want to take a quick Mexican side trip. Then on to Yuma, a half hour east, for the territorial prison, Dateland for a date milkshake, through Gila Bend, on to Tucson. Crossing Tecate Pass from Julian area to Ocotillo on the interstate is high and windy, the pass has windbreaks on the highway. Try and do it in the day, and you can stop at an old stage stop scenic view, and also see the old stage routes etched in the mountain sides. If the winds are too high, the highway patrol will stop all high side vehicles before the pass and you are stuck for a while. I prefer not to get stuck in the rest stop at night, although there is lots of company. Once the winds die down, you go. This doesn't happen a whole lot, but you can tell by the winds when it is likely. The sand dunes just before Yuma are a neat site. On the weekends it is dune buggy paradise. > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we > not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? We > thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around September. REPLY: Dan, In southern NM and AZ, there are Government Observatories that are open to the public. They have Star Partys and some offer overnight stays in their dorm type accomdations. They allow you to look thru very high powered Telescopes at the handiwork of our wonderful Creator . I know it will be a wonderful blessing to you and your family. Regards. On Mar 24, 5:01 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should we [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > wonderful Creator . I know it will be a wonderful blessing to you and > your family. Regards. Can we end this. If you want to discuss race in the world. START A NEW THREAD!! As an native American "Indian". I have been all over the Southwest. lived in suburbia California. I traveled with my family all over Ut, NM, AZ, NV, Co, You name it. Yes there have been a few places that I would not want to stop at. BUT I have also driven threw the South. And there where places out there I would not want to stop at. This whole thing has just gone crazy. just like any other place in the world. There will be clean and there will be disgusting. Go to China. Then you will be happy for that restroom on the road. but lets stop this crap. You guys hijacked there thread > On Mar 24, 5:01 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Then you will be happy for that restroom on the road. but lets stop > this crap. You guys hijacked there thread I've been to China, so I know what I'm talking about. What is the best approach to this sort of trip regarding time budgeting? We have set out a goal of a number of sights about 2 or 3 hours apart. Is it best to get close to the attraction at night, camp and see it in the morning before moving on? Or would it be better to drive there the next day taking in the view in the afternoon? Remember that it could still be very hot this time of year. Also regarding heat, A lot of National parks do not have electrical hookups. We wanted to camp at Death Valley but the few electrical slots around there seem to be first come first serve. Any experience out there? > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should > we not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? > We thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around > September. > What is the best approach to this sort of trip regarding time budgeting? We > have set out a goal of a number of sights about 2 or 3 hours apart. Is it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around >> September. We try to drive maybe a couple of hundred miles or less, then stay in that area for a couple of days to investigate whats nearby. We tow a Saturn to do that. Death valley starts to get nice around Thanksgiving. Keep this in mind. It is not the place to go in the summer. One day should be enough for the Grand Canyon unless you want to go down into it. There are a number of spots on the rim to look out over the canyon and the lodge. I remember 40 years ago walking along the side of the lodge at night on the canyon side. There was life, light and noise on the lodge side. There was NOTHING on the canyon side. A real strange feeling. BTW I haven't had a chance to go back. John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee >> What is the best approach to this sort of trip regarding time budgeting? >> We have set out a goal of a number of sights about 2 or 3 hours apart. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > the lodge side. There was NOTHING on the canyon side. A real strange > feeling. BTW I haven't had a chance to go back. Thanks for the advice. Since we celebrated out 25th at Hell, Grand Cayman Island, we want to do the same at Death Valley on September. We are thinking of staying in Las Vegas and renting a car to drive there to avoid the heat of the night without air conditioning. >>> What is the best approach to this sort of trip regarding time budgeting? >>> We have set out a goal of a number of sights about 2 or 3 hours apart. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > thinking of staying in Las Vegas and renting a car to drive there to avoid > the heat of the night without air conditioning. Read this one from Death Valley in September: www.nps.gov/deva/Morning.pdf John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee >>>> What is the best approach to this sort of trip regarding time >>>> budgeting? We have set out a goal of a number of sights about 2 or 3 [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Read this one from Death Valley in September: www.nps.gov/deva/Morning.pdf Not pretty . . . > John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee >> Read this one from Death Valley in September: www.nps.gov/deva/Morning.pdf > > Not pretty . . . I was in Death Valley in the first part of March. The valley floor was literally (in the true meaning of that word) covered with wildflowers, as were the roadsides of the several highways I used for ingress and egress. At the right time of year, it can be a spectacular place. In summer, and with the right conditions, one can see Northern Lights. I've been thinking about your itinerary. I've been in that area so often that I find it hard to choose. Nevertheless (and I don't know whence you come), the North Rim of the Grand Canyon is higher, cooler, and less crowded by far than the South Rim. It has the added advantage of being nearer Utah (for the purposes of driving). Bryce is always crowded. Zion has a much more pleasing feel about it because, other than for guests at the lodge and service vehicles, there are no autos allowed. There is a superb, propane-powered bus system that eliminates all need for an auto in the park. The park is therefore also bicycle-friendly. Monument Valley is a much less crowded place where you can even take your car into the "park" and see fabulous rock towers and formations up close and almost personal. To do that at Bryce, you have to hike quite a bit (unless you don't really want to see anything that can't be seen off the road). Arches National Monument is another place that is both less crowded and quite magical. There is a drive northwest of Moab that takes you right by ancient Native American pictographs. Chaco Canyon, especially the south drive, is a good place to find ,ocal crafts, and again there are tours into the heart of the canyon. These are a few of my fa-vo-rit things--- Ken H > Chaco Canyon, especially the south drive, is a good place to find {,ocal} well hell, I (obviously) meant "local" > crafts, and again there are tours into the heart of the canyon. > > These are a few of my fa-vo-rit things--- Sorry. FavoritE. Late night spelling is not as good as mid-day spelling. Or Tori Spelling. > Ken H > We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding > anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should > we not miss in NM and AZ? How long should we stay at the Grand Canyon? > We thought that we would touch CA and NV as well since they were close. > Anything besides Las Vegas to se there? This would happen around > September. Typically avoid Indian Reservations. A lot of drunken nightime drivers, whisky bottles line the roads, unsanitary bathrooms, lousy food. You have a tough time suing and collecting because they don't follow US law. Ragnar >> We are planning to head toward the Grand Canyon as a 30th wedding >> anniversary gift to ourselves. Probably three weeks or so. What should [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Ragnar Here we go again. Another pale-face racist bigot thief! Go away and stay off of OUR land if you don't like what you see here. Your ugly roads scar the once beautiful face of Tam Seboglia. Tam Apo sheds a tear when he looks down on the blight. -- Gregory Hall > Here we go again. Another pale-face racist bigot thief! Go away and stay off > of OUR land if you don't like what you see here. Here we go again playing the racist card for your own faults rather than blaming ones self. Sorry, but much of the restaurants, bathrooms etc. are disgusting and it has nothing to do with race. >Typically avoid Indian Reservations. A lot of drunken nightime drivers, >whisky bottles line the roads, unsanitary bathrooms, lousy food. I disagree with your premise that we should avoid injun reservashuns! Until you've seen them first hand, you would never believe what a totally disgusting trashy culture they represent. Driving along any highway in injun country, tells you a whole lot about a disgusting "culture" that regards the entire world as little more than a mere gargage dump! While driving along the roads in injun country, the glitter you see lining the roads from one end to the other, is not diamonds! It's just an endless trail of broken whiskey bottles!! :-( And forget about the "drunken nightime drivers". They start at noon! From our experience in injun country, the cops have all the major highways furnished with roadside breathalizer checkpoints by 3 pm on any given afternoon!! Stan Newmarket, ON >>Typically avoid Indian Reservations. A lot of drunken nightime drivers, >>whisky bottles line the roads, unsanitary bathrooms, lousy food. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Stan >Newmarket, ON I have lived in arizona for many years and the worst I have seen so far is the San Carlos res from Globe to Geronimo. Looks much like Somalia with booze. I have seen people sleeping/living? in Hot water heater boxes. Considering the huge amounts of $$ they get from casinos and the feds, you wonder. As to DUIs...the local cops could care less and just send them on their way should they wreck your car. They might arrest you though. --- $$$$$$$$$$$ Yours truly, Johnny Dollar! |
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