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will I be forced into a mini tent camper with the gas prices of tomorrow ?
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wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2008 02:51 GMT I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future options might be for RVing several years down the road. Right now I have a 2003 6 cylinder toyota tundra with a 100k miles and a 1000 pound popup truck camper in the bed. The way gas prices are going, when that vehicle is done with, I'm thinking I might need something smaller as the tundra gets poor milealge ever since gas prices went way up.
Here is a very light weight tent camper, 520 pounds dry weight, it's like a 1/2 camper and a bit nicer than the typical motorcycle campers. The whole thing is off the ground: bed, as well as dinning area. The only thing that would be nice that it doesn't have is one of those propane furnaces with an air blower, those things can really heat a camper up in the winter, and I like to do some winter camping.
Anyway, I imagine this thing could be towed with a toyota corolla or something like that, a corolla can tow 1500 pounds and gets around 35 mpg.
the 5.0 unit on the left column:
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Any other ideas along these lines ?
IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2008 14:19 GMT On Mar 24, 8:51 pm, "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future > options might be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Any other ideas along these lines ? REPLY: It looks alright ; you have to go with what you can afford. Im sure alot of people are making drastic cutbacks with the economy the way it is. You could also keep what you have, but make some other cuts in your life to help offset - is this a possibility ?
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:32 GMT On Mar 25, 9:19 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 8:51 pm, "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > way it is. You could also keep what you have, but make some other > cuts in your life to help offset - is this a possibility ? maybe, but there seems to be alot of uncertainty in the world economy, which I think is also tied to the Iraq war.
It's really based alot on your tow vehicle or truck. If I buy a new Tundra someday, then I own that car for 10+ years. In that period, the volatility of gas prices is highly unknown and seems quite risky, connected to that, my entire retirement options could also be in question.
I see there are portable catalytic propane heaters such as olympus and others coming out.
Dan Listermann - 25 Mar 2008 14:19 GMT > I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future > options might be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Any other ideas along these lines ? Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in it.
Hal - 25 Mar 2008 15:47 GMT > "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Any other ideas along these lines ? > > Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in > it.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - LOL@that 1 As I peer into my crystal ball and the RV future is being revealed: It's a mini-hybrid towing an outhouse/tent combo Hal
Shad O'Shay - 25 Mar 2008 16:26 GMT > Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest > in it. Just like I thought. Most RVers are fat slobs and they spend the entire day stuffing their fat faces. Of course their main source of concern is a nearby toilet. How pathetic is that?
Shad O'Shay
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 25 Mar 2008 16:42 GMT >> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little >> interest in it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Shad O'Shay I'd have thought it ideal for DiLV who spouts crap all day every day.
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Shad O'Shay - 25 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT >>> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little >>> interest in it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I'd have thought it ideal for DiLV who spouts crap all day every day. Good one!!!!! But, let's be nicer to DiLV. Maybe he'd respond nicely to a kind gesture or two? If he's really a Christian he will that is.
Shad O'Shay
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 27 Mar 2008 03:18 GMT >>>> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little >>>> interest in it. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Good one!!!!! But, let's be nicer to DiLV. Maybe he'd respond nicely > to a kind gesture or two? If he's really a Christian he will that is. Many people have tried that; but he doesn't and he isn't.
Tony Wesley - 26 Mar 2008 04:33 GMT > "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:971054bf-793a-484e-ae71-0088022576c3@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >http://www.livinlite.com/cgi-bin/specsTC.pl > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Any other ideas along these lines ?
> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in > it. My pop-up is small -- not as small as the mini-tent camper.
But with 50+ year old kidneys, blood pressure meds, and a couple beers before turning in, well, I don't sleep straight through the night. My solution to the late-night dilemma is the "Luggable Loo."
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ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 22:56 GMT >> "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >See http://www.cabelas.com/vprod-1/0009518.shtml Being frugal, I use a laudry detergent jug, free at laundromat, with the spout cut out. Good seal and wide target!
Pete
Tony Wesley - 27 Mar 2008 02:51 GMT On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >solution to the late-night dilemma is the "Luggable Loo." > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pete Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for the ladies.
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2008 18:41 GMT >On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for >the ladies. Depends on the lady, but that's why they make porta-potties! I just find it much easier to use and empty my "yellow tank" -- Easy to pour into outhouse, toilet or behind bush.
Pete
william boyd - 29 Mar 2008 00:54 GMT > On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for > the ladies. I'll tell you what it depends on how bad they have to go I guess or what they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman walk in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss.
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Tony Wesley - 29 Mar 2008 05:09 GMT > > Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for > > the ladies. > > I'll tell you what it depends on how bad they have to go I guess or what > they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman > walk in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss. I don't think I can talk my better half into that. Getting her into the pop-up instead of a hotel takes a little convincing. Giving a place to sit down when she takes a leak seems like a small concession.
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 29 Mar 2008 05:24 GMT >> On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman >walk in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss. Here's a technique:
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Pete
Ragnar Daneskjold - 07 Apr 2008 02:50 GMT > I'll tell you what it depends on how bad they have to go I guess or what > they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman walk > in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss. Half the time they would spray all over you and themselves.
Ragnar
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:32 GMT > "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in > it. porta potty is quite adequate
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 25 Mar 2008 16:49 GMT > I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future > options might be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Any other ideas along these lines ? Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas" (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky!
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Harry Harris - 25 Mar 2008 17:10 GMT > Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas" > (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky! <snipped spam komputer add>
I'm paying a little over three dollars a gallon for regular gasoline (ha ha) for my home-built 30-mpg minivan (Ford Aerostar, 4 liter, fuel-injected, German-built, aluminum block and head, V-6, lean-burn engine with custom-programmed ECM) camper. Solar panels charge the battery bank. I use gasoline to cook with using a Coleman Dual Fuel single-burner camp stove. Propane is simply too dangerous. Even if it were free I wouldn't use it. I'm not the type that plays Russian Roulette with my live and limb.
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2008 19:48 GMT On Mar 25, 11:10 am, "Harry Harris" <harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:
> > Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas" > > (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Quote : 'Propane is simply too dangerous. Even if it were free I wouldn't use it. I'm not the type that plays Russian Roulette with my live and limb. '
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What about eternity though ??? Is it 'safe' for you die in this life ?
Harry Harris - 25 Mar 2008 20:27 GMT > Quote : 'Propane is simply too dangerous. Even if it were free I > wouldn't use it. I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >What about eternity though ??? Is it 'safe' for you die in this > life ? Safer probably than expecting to go to some mythological place called heaven. Since it's gonna be inhabited by hypocrite fundies who don't seem to do themselves what they say other people should be doing according to their own teachings, to me it seems like it probably would be more like what you guys call hell.
Really, Dave. If Christians act in heaven like you act here think about it. How can a place like that be called heaven? Now, I don't really believe all that stuff they say about you that you're a homosexual and a child abuser etc. But, seems to me you are a source of divisiveness around here. I always thought Christians were the true peace bringers.
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IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 26 Mar 2008 01:16 GMT On Mar 25, 2:27 pm, "Harry Harris" <harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:
> <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com REPLY: How come your fervently hoping that there is no personal Creator or Heaven ? Are you under the misconception that no one has entered heaven and has returned to tell about it ? From what youve examined about the Universe and life...does it look like it was sort of haphazardly thrown together ? Lastly, if you dont care about such issues, why dont you care since they involve you ? Lastly, Christians arent called to sit in the corner reading the Bible and other popular stereotypes ; nor is it our duty to bring tolerance to the world . There isnt anything unchristian about asking challenging questions in the light of someones welfare.
rigger - 26 Mar 2008 02:41 GMT >> Really, Dave. If Christians act in heaven like you act here think about it. >> How can a place like that be called heaven? Now, I don't really believe all [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > other popular stereotypes ; nor is it our duty to bring tolerance to > the world . There isnt anything unchristian What any of this has to do with camping is beyond me. Why don't you two gentlemen take it off-list, huh?
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GBinNC - 26 Mar 2008 03:45 GMT >What any of this has to do with camping is beyond me. >Why don't you two gentlemen take it off-list, huh? Just a reminder: many of us on alt.rv have gotten to the point where we automatically filter those who persist in communicating with those folks. Keep it up and you may find yourself with very few people to talk to but them.
That doesn't matter to me, but it might to you.
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Tomes - 26 Mar 2008 19:52 GMT "rigger" ... <garbage snipped>
> What any of this has to do with camping is beyond me. > Why don't you two gentlemen take it off-list, huh? This is flotsam spilling over from the RORT ng.
** We do not need this here guys, keep it over there please, thanks. **
Harry Harris - 26 Mar 2008 20:46 GMT >REPLY: How come your fervently hoping that there is no personal >Creator or Heaven ? Are you under the misconception that no one has >entered heaven and has returned to tell about it ? Sorry, Dave, but you need to study the Bible with the intent to know what it teaches.
For example, the Bible teaches that nobody has yet been received into heaven. So it follows that nobody has entered heaven and returned to tell about it. The Bible teaches that when a person dies his soul goes into limbo (Sheol) where it waits unaware of the passing of time until the judgment day when all souls will be re-incarnated and judged as to whom will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Those picked to go to hell will immediately go to hell and remain there forever and ever. Those picked to go to Heaven will remain on Earth for a thousand years enjoying God's Kingdom on Earth after which the world will end and it's inhabitants will then go to Heaven.
Dave, I really think you are a false Christian. I'm not a Christian but I've studied your Bible until I'm more of an expert at it than most people who claim to be Christians. The Bible is touted as God's word. It's actually a wonderful book with some very worthwhile teachings. Wouldn't it behoove a good Christian to listen to God's word and understand it and not go around spouting nonsense such as people's having gone to heaven already and returned. That's just not supported by what it says in the Bible. I suggest you study the last book in the Bible.
And, Dave, no man has yet gone to Heaven and returned to tell about it. Even Jesus Christ has not yet done that. At the second coming Jesus will then be the very first man to have gone to Heaven and returned to Earth. Shame on you for trying to impersonate a Christian when you lack even the basic Christian beliefs.
> From what youve > examined about the Universe and life...does it look like it was sort > of haphazardly thrown together? Hell no! It seems to me that some sort of all powerful entity or God if you wish to call him that created the universe out of whatever process he put in place and commenced about 13.5 billion years ago in what is called the Big Bang. Seems to me you'd have to be a complete dolt to not see the perfection of the process that resulted in what we see all around us and that we can somewhat understand it.
> Lastly, if you dont care about such > issues, why dont you care since they involve you ? Lastly, > Christians arent called to sit in the corner reading the Bible and > other popular stereotypes ; nor is it our duty to bring tolerance to > the world . There isnt anything unchristian about asking challenging > questions in the light of someones welfare. You can't use lastly twice in a row. I care about understanding such issues. My understanding is based on a broader foundation than yours as I've studied many things and many religions and science and physics and chemistry and philosophy. My creator would not want me to stifle my understanding of the process I find myself involved in. That's one big problem with Christianity that I can see. Christian people are encouraged to just believe what they're told and not ask tough questions. I suppose that's just fine for people who lack curiosity but for curious and intelligent folks that will never do. It's got to be an organized religion thing that wishes to subjugate its followers and encourage them to become and stay brainwashed and compliant.
As for asking challenging questions in the hopes of saving somebody from damnation go ahead, knock yourself out but allow those who think your challenging questions are somewhat simplistic, dysfunctional and meddling to interface with the world in their own manner. What ever happened to the Christian concept of live and let live?
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 27 Mar 2008 03:15 GMT >> REPLY: How come your fervently hoping that there is no personal >> Creator or Heaven ? Are you under the misconception that no one has [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > for a thousand years enjoying God's Kingdom on Earth after which the > world will end and it's inhabitants will then go to Heaven. IIRC the above seems to have some Jehovah's Witness philosophy in it; but I'm not saying Harry is a JW as the overall theology presented is inconsistant with their teachings...Hang on; why are we discussing this here in alt.rv? Shouldn't this be done in alt.philosophy or soewhere similar?
> Dave, I really think you are a false Christian. You're not alone there then; even other Christians would agree with you.
> I'm not a Christian > but I've studied your Bible until I'm more of an expert at it than > most people who claim to be Christians. Likewise: It's quite ironic that we non-Christians know the Bible better than Christians; although having said that the interpretations of certain passages are manyfold. (Unlike DiLV's interpretation of the back passage.)
> The Bible is touted as God's > word. It's actually a wonderful book with some very worthwhile > teachings. The operative word there is *some* -Depending upon personal interpretation that is.
> Wouldn't it behoove a good Christian to listen to God's > word and understand it and not go around spouting nonsense such as > people's having gone to heaven already and returned. That's just not > supported by what it says in the Bible. I suggest you study the last > book in the Bible. I suggest he reads more than a few verses of the Bible and stops reading the crap that idiot fundys say about it.
> And, Dave, no man has yet gone to Heaven and returned to tell about > it. Even Jesus Christ has not yet done that. At the second coming > Jesus will then be the very first man to have gone to Heaven and > returned to Earth. Shame on you for trying to impersonate a Christian > when you lack even the basic Christian beliefs. I've never heard that interpretation before - Are you trying to start a new religion?
>> From what youve >> examined about the Universe and life...does it look like it was sort [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Harry Harris Nobody who tries to understand the Bible gets the same meaning from it because nobody can make head or tail of it in its entirity: But then again no nonsense makes total sense.
I get the feeling that by engaging in this discussion here we're just aiding DiLV's disruption of newsgroups with his incessant trolling; therefore I'll not be discusswing religion further in this group.
Harry Harris - 27 Mar 2008 19:04 GMT > I've never heard that interpretation before - Are you trying to start a > new religion? Maybe you need to read Revelation again yourself. Here are the Chapter and verse that confirm what I said. It happens in the End Times.
King James Bible, Revelation Chapter 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
And please read the following as it confirms the concepts above: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and I Corinthinas 15:51-53
The main point is that if souls were already in heaven why is it necessary to have a judgment day at all. It wouldn't make much sense to snatch souls out of heaven and throw some of them in hell. NO, it's pretty clear that when a person dies his soul waits until judgement day at which time its fate is decided. Somewhere in the Bible it says (I can't recall where I read it but I did read it) that when people die their souls pass out of their bodies and go to a place where they wait. They wait without being aware of the passing of time so that the time between death and final judgement seems instantaneous to the reincarnated person at judgement day.
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 28 Mar 2008 16:13 GMT >> I've never heard that interpretation before - Are you trying to >> start a new religion? [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Harry Harris I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did say I wouldn't discuss religion here in this group, so I'll stick to my word.
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Harry Harris - 28 Mar 2008 18:15 GMT > I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism > setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did say I > wouldn't discuss religion here in this group, so I'll stick to my word. Not! You see wrong, sweetheart! My point is this, if DiLV claims to be a Christian then he should know and understand what it says in the Bible. A thinking person can't take the Bible literally like the fundies do but one can glean lessons from it and understand what it says about the past and future. But you've got to recognize allegory for what it is - a good way to make a point that might be remembered but not as word for word fact. Fundies go too far. Rather than think, they just believe everything they are told. And they believe it literally. Not a wise thing to do at all.
Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been worth but a flip? Women rarely know their own mind so their word is like a leaf blowing in the wind. You just can't ever know where it's gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the concept of honor like men do. Women change their minds all the time to suit changing situations. Woman don't think it's dishonorable to do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by any concept of honor or word-giving. Giving one's word is nothing if it ain't backed up by honor.
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 28 Mar 2008 21:02 GMT >> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism >> setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they just believe everything they are told. And they believe it > literally. Not a wise thing to do at all. Point taken.
> Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been > worth but a flip? Whenever we don't use our perogative and change our mind beforehand: Your sexism is noted.
> Women rarely know their own mind so their word is > like a leaf blowing in the wind. You just can't ever know where it's > gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the > concept of honor like men do. It's like my friend's boyfriend; he's always honor and off her.
> Women change their minds all the time > to suit changing situations. Aka adaptability/evolution.
> Woman don't think it's dishonorable to > do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by > any concept of honor or word-giving. Intuition is much more effective than prejudgement.
> Giving one's word is nothing if > it ain't backed up by honor. Seeing as you like men so much perhaps you ought to follow through on your earlier offer to suck Dimwit's dick.
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Harry Harris - 29 Mar 2008 00:05 GMT >>> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism >>> setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Point taken. I'm glad you agree.
>> Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been >> worth but a flip? > > Whenever we don't use our perogative and change our mind beforehand: Your > sexism is noted. What some call sexism others call realism!
>> Women rarely know their own mind so their word is >> like a leaf blowing in the wind. You just can't ever know where it's >> gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the >> concept of honor like men do. > > It's like my friend's boyfriend; he's always honor and off her. Groan!
>> Women change their minds all the time >> to suit changing situations. > > Aka adaptability/evolution. What some call adaptability others might call fluff-headedness or being blonde. Or even being a boob! Speaking of boobs check out this funny little movie about that topic. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/ZENO_THE_BADD/Standalone%20choppers%20fie ld%20meet/?action=view¤t=99wordsforboobs.flv You might like it if you're really bi-sexual.
>> Woman don't think it's dishonorable to >> do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by >> any concept of honor or word-giving. > > Intuition is much more effective than prejudgement. Intuition is just so hit-or-miss. It's a waste.
>> Giving one's word is nothing if >> it ain't backed up by honor. > > Seeing as you like men so much perhaps you ought to follow through on your > earlier offer to suck Dimwit's dick. I never did any such thing. In case you didn't notice it there's some fool doing direct forgeries of my posts. Probably DiLV himself ;-) Whoever it is must be stupid because he doesn't even try to frog the e-mail addy - just forges it letter for letter which is a direct violation of his TOS agreement. I warned him once but since he continues to persist in his folly I've reported him to freetera and included a copy of his headers and asked that they ask him to stop with the forgeries. They'll know who it is because of the message ID code.
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 29 Mar 2008 03:09 GMT >>>> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of >>>> fundamentalism setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I'm glad you agree. I didn't say I agreed; I said "Point taken"; meaning I understand your opinion. I saw no benefit from taking that particular branch of the discussion any further.
>>> Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been >>> worth but a flip? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What some call sexism others call realism! DiLV calls lies and falsehoods "Good"; but that makes then no less negative than a sausage or weener stops being a sausage or weener when it's put between bread and called a hamburger. (American slant intentional though FNAR.)
>>> Women rarely know their own mind so their word is >>> like a leaf blowing in the wind. Furthermore I disagree that "women rarely know their own mind". On the contrary; women are more self-aware than men. The fact is that women use a much deeper reasoning process based upon feelings, intuition, and opinion; in addition to reason and logic: Because the process is much more complicated it takes much longer to reach a decision and that decision may appear in more than one format and/or solution, therefore intuition comes into play in deciding which solution will be used, based upon ultimate common sense. An intelligent woman will change her mind based upon further analysis, often borne from feelings, leading to a more reasonable conclusion combined with seeing things in a different light or from a different angle with further analysis. The fact that men are unable to think outside their own mental box that they have constructed from their limited world-view does not make women inferior; quite the opposite in fact.
>>>You just can't ever know where it's >>> gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the >>> concept of honor like men do. What is the point of sticking to an incorrect decision or one that could be executed better with more thought for the purpose of some pathetic machoness? That is just foolhardy stubbornness: Surely it is much more sensible to develop and recalculate?:
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>> It's like my friend's boyfriend; he's always honor and off her. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What some call adaptability others might call fluff-headedness or > being blonde. Or even being a boob! - Like fundamentalists call anything they don't understand "evil".
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>>> Woman don't think it's dishonorable to >>> do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Intuition is just so hit-or-miss. It's a waste. Utter drivel; it's not a guessing game. If you guess at random the best probability of being correct is 50%. Intuition is more like a gut feeling: Many men use it too; especially detectives, and it's frequently correct or very near the mark.
>>> Giving one's word is nothing if >>> it ain't backed up by honor. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with the forgeries. They'll know who it is because of the message ID > code. Point taken.
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wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:48 GMT On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, "Harry Harris" <harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:
> <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com propane accidents do not seem that common ...
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wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 10:23 GMT On Mar 25, 12:10 pm, "Harry Harris" <harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:
> > Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas" > > (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Life is full of hazards, and a risk averse culture seeks to impose all kinds of security means twards even the hazards of a police state to avoid risks and to be safe. If I want to get out of my stuffy condo into the woods on a good many occasions year round, and yet be able to heat my unit enough so I can read a book, strum a few notes on my guitar, even eat a hot meal, hit the slopes with my snowboard, or surf some waves, then I will be forced to take risks and I may even hurt myself. I will try to avoid dumb mistakes, but alas everyone is human. All I can do is to try to learn from my mistakes , not repeat them and try not to develop an inferiority complex for any of the dumb things I may have done which I can not change the past. I think it a greater risk to health and mind those that stay at home and eat junk food in front of the TV for hours who may complain that it's too cold to go outside.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 27 Mar 2008 03:25 GMT >> Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas" >> (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky! >> <snipped spam komputer add> Add? - As in adding spam to a computer?
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ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2008 20:49 GMT > I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future >options might be [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Any other ideas along these lines ? Interestingly, the smallest Livin' Lite is a rebirth of the Coleman Colorado, which I once pulled with a Saturn sedan (got 28 mpg end-to-end on a three-month, eight thousand mile trip) with the 85Hp engine (tow capacity 1,000 lbs).
This one is an improvement with the aluminum frame and flooring although not much lighter.
However, I am now looking at Teardrops (my Scamp 13' won't fit into my garage), primarily because the pop-ups become a set-up problem in wet weather.
Pete
Calif Bill - 26 Mar 2008 07:00 GMT >> I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future >>options might be [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Pete The popup slide in truck camper is much easier to set up in the rain than a trailer popup. They are going to import the small diesel engine pickups in to the US shortly. The European VW Jetta TDI gets 50+ mpg. Heck my 2004 Crewcab 2500hd 4x4 Duramax chevy with a 1400+ Palomino slidein popup (b-800) got 15 mpg for a 8200 mile drive to alaska 2 years ago.
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:42 GMT > <ratatouille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Crewcab 2500hd 4x4 Duramax chevy with a 1400+ Palomino slidein popup (b-800) > got 15 mpg for a 8200 mile drive to alaska 2 years ago. Most pop up slide in weight at least 1000 pounds. four wheel campers makes one that is 500 pounds, but it costs over $10,000, the model shown here doesn't come with a furnace which is extra: http://www.fourwh.com/falcon.htm
That would be a possibility, though it seems kind of expensive. I would hope the lift system is well put together. The viking truck campers that I have had, the roll pins on the lift system come lose. Right now I have a micky mouse system of tiny bungy cords that press up against the roll pins which have loosened so that they won't fall out.
I would like to see a sizable truck that got 30 mpg, though I am affraid even that wouldn't be enough in coming years ...
Calif Bill - 27 Mar 2008 07:20 GMT >> <ratatouille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > I would like to see a sizable truck that got 30 mpg, though I am > affraid even that wouldn't be enough in coming years ... The lift system on the 4wheel is you push up the roof and flip up the end. Then push up the other end and do the same thing. My Son in Law has one for a Tacoma on his Tundra as it is the only size that will fit in his garage for storage. Nice rig, but he likes mine better. I have a full size door and also the extra room of one for a full size p/u. Both cost over $10k. The Palomino would be a lot lighter if they used the same construction as the 4wheel. They use an aluminum frame for the 4 wheel and the Palomino uses wood as do most other camper makers. If I drove at 70 mph or so, I would probably get 18 mpg with the camper. Coming back from Los Angeles on Monday, I mostly stayed under 80 and got 18.7 mpg. Darn good for a full size pickup. Had a wheel problem on my boat trailer a week ago, and came back from Sacramento 90 miles at the 55 mph towing speed limit and averaged almost 19 mpg, towing 4300# of boat and trailer. So the new diesel in the light trucks should really do well. GM is building a new 4.7l or near that size for the 1500 series trucks.
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:34 GMT On Mar 25, 3:49 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:51:00 -0700 (PDT), "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Pete You mean you get wet trying to set up ?
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 22:53 GMT >On Mar 25, 3:49 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Interestingly, the smallest Livin' Lite is a rebirth of the Coleman >> Colorado, which I once pulled with a Saturn sedan (got 28 mpg [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You mean you get wet trying to set up ? Exactly, although everything in the rig can get wet, besides just me. The Colorado came up from one end like a baby carriage and was easy enough to set up with a monster blue tarp draped over it, but the Livin' Lites set up differently (they have a video) and don't look to lend themselves to being draped. Also, if I bring home wet canvas, I have no place to set up and dry it -- Drawback of living in condo.
Pete
GBinNC - 27 Mar 2008 00:51 GMT >> You mean you get wet trying to set up ?
>Exactly, although everything in the rig can get wet, besides just me. >The Colorado came up from one end like a baby carriage and was easy >enough to set up with a monster blue tarp draped over it, but the >Livin' Lites set up differently (they have a video) and don't look to >lend themselves to being draped. Also, if I bring home wet canvas, I >have no place to set up and dry it -- Drawback of living in condo. Just curious -- why wouldn't you consider an Aliner type? Seems to me that would be the best of both worlds. Quick setup and no canvas to get wet.
I've never spent any time looking at trailers of any kind, but a friend of mine has an Aliner and it looks really easy to deal with.
GB in NC
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2008 18:36 GMT >>> You mean you get wet trying to set up ? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >GB in NC Airliner is good in theory, but they are expensive and I have read too much negative about quality and longevity (I'm very spoiled with my molded fiberglass rig).
Pete
GBinNC - 27 Mar 2008 19:56 GMT >>I've never spent any time looking at trailers of any kind, but a friend >>of mine has an Aliner and it looks really easy to deal with. >> >>GB in NC
>Airliner is good in theory, but they are expensive and I have read too >much negative about quality and longevity (I'm very spoiled with my >molded fiberglass rig). Okay. I bow to your greater research. But the concept seems appealing.
GB in NC
Tomes - 27 Mar 2008 02:40 GMT <ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> <wbsurfver@gmail.com> : >>ratatouille...@yahoo.com : [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > lend themselves to being draped. Also, if I bring home wet canvas, I > have no place to set up and dry it -- Drawback of living in condo. When I set up the popup in the rain the only thing that gets wet is me. On my Coachmen the canvas ends are attached to the bed end and no water gets in. I did need to learn how to do it in the old Coleman - I just needed to ensure that the canvass stayed over the bed ends. We also tried to face it away from the wind source so it did not blow into the doorway before the door was up (unfurling the awning helps here too). We usually wanted it to face away from the wind anyway to keep the awning from blowing over. Tomes
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2008 18:39 GMT ><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ... >> <wbsurfver@gmail.com> : [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >face away from the wind anyway to keep the awning from blowing over. >Tomes That's generally true for larger pop-ups, but the smaller ones set up differently. One starts by taking a soft cover off the whole rig and folding that away... Watch the video and you will see what I mean - The bedding is exposed to the weather.
Pete
Tomes - 28 Mar 2008 01:22 GMT <ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> "Tomes": >><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ... [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > folding that away... Watch the video and you will see what I mean - > The bedding is exposed to the weather. Ah - did not know that, thanks! Tomes
Tomes - 28 Mar 2008 01:26 GMT <ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> "Tomes" : >><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ... [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > The bedding is exposed to the weather. > Pete What video? Musta missed it... Tomes
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 28 Mar 2008 02:50 GMT ><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ... >> "Tomes" : [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >What video? Musta missed it... >Tomes Go to
http://www.livinlite.com/
and click on 'Watch Movie' on left side. Just tried it and it didn't work for me but worked the other day.
The Colorado was also exposed, but less so because front sleeper slid out like a drawer and top was already over it except where you had to fasten down the edges and I was able to set up/break down under large tarp.
Pete
Tomes - 29 Mar 2008 12:55 GMT <ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> , "Tomes" : >><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ... [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > tarp. > Pete Yeah, the movie did not work for me either 'Page not found'. Bummer that. Check that! I figured out how to see it - you gotta use pull-down from the top menu choices, not the link in the text.
I had never heard of these critters. They look interesting for low tow ratings. Thanks for the link.
Seeing the video now and reading the text I see what you mean. Looks like a simple solution to the 'overdone' popups of today. Tomes
johnb - 03 Apr 2008 14:37 GMT but getting VERY wet ???
it DOES rain at times and looks like everything will be more then damp with any waterfalling??
the setup video is missing some things, - hooking the bed braces could be a chore, as well as a lot of snaps... OH - one other thing, what about solo camping???
I know - quit complaining, but did I say it looks nice??
but it does look nice
jb in WI
> <ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ... >> , "Tomes" : [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > a simple solution to the 'overdone' popups of today. > Tomes Mark Jones - 04 Apr 2008 18:50 GMT > but getting VERY wet ??? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > but it does look nice I set up my Fleetwood Niagara by myself and it has never been a problem. I am usually inside and resting for a bit in about 7 or 8 minutes with the electricity hooked up and the air conditioner on.
This one has a 14 foot box and is almost 27 feet long when open, so it is among some of the largest on the market.
none - 05 Apr 2008 01:45 GMT >> but getting VERY wet ??? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > This one has a 14 foot box and is almost 27 feet long when > open, so it is among some of the largest on the market. That sounds nice, but the Fleetwood Niagra is just a tiny bit large and heavy for a "mini-tent-camper" thread.
Mark Jones - 05 Apr 2008 23:25 GMT > That sounds nice, but the Fleetwood Niagra is just a tiny bit large > and heavy for a "mini-tent-camper" thread. They asked if something much smaller than my camper could be deployed by 1 person and I showed where something much bigger than their's could be opened by one person as a comparison, so this is in fact on topic for this thread.
none - 07 Apr 2008 02:11 GMT >> That sounds nice, but the Fleetwood Niagra is just a tiny bit large >> and heavy for a "mini-tent-camper" thread. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > much bigger than their's could be opened by one person > as a comparison, so this is in fact on topic for this thread. I can see the sense in that, but it's a somewhat humorous fact that a large Coleman is actually easier and faster to set up than the tiny Quicksilver. I've owned Coleman tent trailers and campers, and if my car could pull one I'd own one now. Fleetwood makes them these days, but I'm sure they're just as good. Now, if they'd only start making the "Country Squire Jr" Pickup-truck camper again... That was one fine little rig.
Tony Wesley - 07 Apr 2008 06:22 GMT > [...] I've owned Coleman tent trailers and campers, and if my car > could pull one I'd own one now. Fleetwood makes them these days, but I'm > sure they're just as good. Nobody makes them these days.
Fleetwood wasn't paying proper royalties to Colman, so Colman sues, and canceled Fleetwood's right to use the name. Colman arranged for Coachman(?) to make Colman campers. Fleetwood sues, claims the rights of the name cannot be reassigned due to the original agreement.
Colman ends up winning the money plus punitive damages but losing on the name.
So no one is making Colman campers any more.
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