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will I be forced into a mini tent camper with the gas prices of     tomorrow ?

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wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2008 02:51 GMT
I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future
options might be
for RVing several years down the road. Right now I have a 2003 6
cylinder toyota tundra with a 100k miles and a 1000 pound popup truck
camper in the bed. The way gas prices are going, when that vehicle is
done with, I'm thinking I might need something smaller as the tundra
gets poor milealge ever since gas prices went way up.

Here is a very light weight tent camper, 520 pounds dry weight, it's
like a 1/2 camper and a bit nicer than the typical motorcycle campers.
The whole thing is off the ground: bed, as well as dinning area. The
only thing that would be nice that it doesn't have is one of those
propane furnaces with an air blower, those things can really heat a
camper up in the winter, and I like to do some winter camping.

Anyway, I imagine this thing could be towed with a toyota corolla or
something like that,
a corolla can tow 1500 pounds and gets around 35 mpg.

the 5.0 unit on the left column:

http://www.livinlite.com/cgi-bin/specsTC.pl

pictures:

http://www.livinlite.com/TC/cgi-bin/READgallery.pl?mydatabase=5ex

Any other ideas along these lines ?
IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2008 14:19 GMT
On Mar 24, 8:51 pm, "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future
> options might be
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>
>  Any other ideas along these lines ?

REPLY: It looks alright ;  you have to go with what you can afford. Im
sure alot of people are making drastic cutbacks with the economy the
way it is.  You could also keep what you have, but make some other
cuts in your life to help offset - is this a possibility ?
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:32 GMT
On Mar 25, 9:19 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 8:51 pm, "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> way it is.  You could also keep what you have, but make some other
> cuts in your life to help offset - is this a possibility ?

maybe, but there seems to be alot of uncertainty in the world economy,
which I think is also tied to the Iraq war.

It's really based alot on your tow vehicle or truck. If I buy a new
Tundra someday, then I own that car for 10+ years. In that period, the
volatility of gas prices is highly unknown and seems quite risky,
connected to that, my entire retirement options could also be in
question.

 I see there are portable catalytic propane heaters such as olympus
and others coming out.
Dan Listermann - 25 Mar 2008 14:19 GMT
> I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future
> options might be
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>
> Any other ideas along these lines ?

Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in
it.
Hal - 25 Mar 2008 15:47 GMT
> "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > Any other ideas along these lines ?
>
> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in
> it.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

LOL@that 1
As I peer into my crystal ball and the RV future is being revealed:
It's a mini-hybrid towing an outhouse/tent combo
Hal
Shad O'Shay - 25 Mar 2008 16:26 GMT
> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest
> in it.

Just like I thought. Most RVers are fat slobs and they spend the entire day
stuffing their fat faces. Of course their main source of concern is a nearby
toilet. How pathetic is that?

Shad O'Shay
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 25 Mar 2008 16:42 GMT
>> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little
>> interest in it.
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>
> Shad O'Shay

I'd have thought it ideal for DiLV who spouts crap all day every day.

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Shad O'Shay - 25 Mar 2008 16:52 GMT
>>> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little
>>> interest in it.
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>
> I'd have thought it ideal for DiLV who spouts crap all day every day.

Good one!!!!!  But, let's be nicer to DiLV. Maybe he'd respond nicely to a
kind gesture or two?  If he's really a Christian he will that is.

Shad O'Shay
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 27 Mar 2008 03:18 GMT
>>>> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little
>>>> interest in it.
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> Good one!!!!!  But, let's be nicer to DiLV. Maybe he'd respond nicely
> to a kind gesture or two?  If he's really a Christian he will that is.

Many people have tried that; but he doesn't and he isn't.
Tony Wesley - 26 Mar 2008 04:33 GMT
> "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:971054bf-793a-484e-ae71-0088022576c3@m34g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> >http://www.livinlite.com/cgi-bin/specsTC.pl
>
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>
> > Any other ideas along these lines ?

> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in
> it.

My pop-up is small -- not as small as the mini-tent camper.

But with 50+ year old kidneys, blood pressure meds, and a couple beers
before turning in, well, I don't sleep straight through the night.  My
solution to the late-night dilemma is the "Luggable Loo."

See http://www.cabelas.com/vprod-1/0009518.shtml
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 22:56 GMT
>> "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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>
>See http://www.cabelas.com/vprod-1/0009518.shtml

Being frugal, I use a laudry detergent jug, free at laundromat, with
the spout cut out.  Good seal and wide target!

Pete
Tony Wesley - 27 Mar 2008 02:51 GMT
On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >solution to the late-night dilemma is the "Luggable Loo."
>
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>
> Pete

Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for
the ladies.
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2008 18:41 GMT
>On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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>Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for
>the ladies.

Depends on the lady, but that's why they make porta-potties!  I just
find it much easier to use and empty my "yellow tank" -- Easy to pour
into outhouse, toilet or behind bush.

Pete
william boyd - 29 Mar 2008 00:54 GMT
> On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for
> the ladies.

I'll tell you what it depends on how bad they have to go I guess or what
they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman
walk in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss.

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Tony Wesley - 29 Mar 2008 05:09 GMT
> > Pete, if I'm picturing this correctly, it wouldn't work very well for
> > the ladies.
>
> I'll tell you what it depends on how bad they have to go I guess or what
> they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman
> walk in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss.

I don't think I can talk my better half into that.  Getting her into
the pop-up instead of a hotel takes a little convincing.  Giving a
place to sit down when she takes a leak seems like a small concession.
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 29 Mar 2008 05:24 GMT
>> On Mar 26, 5:56 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
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>they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman
>walk in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss.

Here's a technique:

http://www.myvag.net/pee/standing/

and here's a gadget:

http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/Content/Standing/standing.html

Pete
Ragnar Daneskjold - 07 Apr 2008 02:50 GMT
> I'll tell you what it depends on how bad they have to go I guess or what
> they become accustom to. In Vietnam it wasn't unusual to have a woman walk
> in the latrine and stand there right next to you and take a piss.

Half the time they would spray all over you and themselves.

Ragnar
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:32 GMT
> "wbsurf...@yahoo.com" <wbsurf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> Call me spoiled, but if it does not have a toilet, I have little interest in
> it.

porta potty is quite adequate
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 25 Mar 2008 16:49 GMT
> I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future
> options might be
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>
> Any other ideas along these lines ?

Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas" (Petrol)
in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky!

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Harry Harris - 25 Mar 2008 17:10 GMT
> Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas"
> (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky!
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I'm paying a little over three dollars a gallon for regular gasoline (ha ha)
for my home-built 30-mpg minivan (Ford Aerostar, 4 liter, fuel-injected,
German-built, aluminum block and head, V-6, lean-burn engine with
custom-programmed ECM) camper. Solar panels charge the battery bank. I use
gasoline to cook with using a Coleman Dual Fuel single-burner camp stove.
Propane is simply too dangerous. Even if it were free I wouldn't use it. I'm
not the type that plays Russian Roulette with my live and limb.

Harry Harris

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IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2008 19:48 GMT
On Mar 25, 11:10 am, "Harry Harris"
<harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:

> > Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas"
> > (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky!
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Quote : 'Propane is simply too dangerous. Even if it were free I
wouldn't use it. I'm
not the type that plays Russian Roulette with my live and limb. '

Harry Harris

What about eternity though ???  Is it 'safe' for you die in this
life ?
Harry Harris - 25 Mar 2008 20:27 GMT
> Quote : 'Propane is simply too dangerous. Even if it were free I
> wouldn't use it. I'm
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>What about eternity though ???  Is it 'safe' for you die in this
> life ?

Safer probably than expecting to go to some mythological place called
heaven. Since it's gonna be inhabited by hypocrite fundies who don't seem to
do themselves what they say other people should be doing according to their
own teachings, to me it seems like it probably would be more like what you
guys call hell.

Really, Dave. If Christians act in heaven like you act here think about it.
How can a place like that be called heaven? Now, I don't really believe all
that stuff they say about you that you're a homosexual and a child abuser
etc. But, seems to me you are a source of divisiveness around here. I always
thought Christians were the true peace bringers.

Harry Harris

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IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 26 Mar 2008 01:16 GMT
On Mar 25, 2:27 pm, "Harry Harris"
<harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:
> <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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REPLY:  How come your fervently hoping that there is no personal
Creator or Heaven ?   Are you under the misconception that no one has
entered heaven and has returned to tell about it ?   From what youve
examined about the Universe and life...does it look like it was sort
of haphazardly thrown together ? Lastly,  if you dont care about such
issues,  why dont you care since they involve you ?  Lastly,
Christians arent called to sit in the corner reading the Bible and
other popular stereotypes ;  nor is it our duty to bring tolerance to
the world . There isnt anything unchristian about asking challenging
questions in the light of someones welfare.
rigger - 26 Mar 2008 02:41 GMT
>> Really, Dave. If Christians act in heaven like you act here think about it.
>> How can a place like that be called heaven? Now, I don't really believe all
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> other popular stereotypes ;  nor is it our duty to bring tolerance to
> the world . There isnt anything unchristian

What any of this has to do with camping is beyond me.
Why don't you two gentlemen take it off-list, huh?

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GBinNC - 26 Mar 2008 03:45 GMT
>What any of this has to do with camping is beyond me.
>Why don't you two gentlemen take it off-list, huh?

Just a reminder: many of us on alt.rv have gotten to the point where we
automatically filter those who persist in communicating with those
folks. Keep it up and you may find yourself with very few people to talk
to but them.

That doesn't matter to me, but it might to you.

GB in NC
Tomes - 26 Mar 2008 19:52 GMT
"rigger" ...
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> What any of this has to do with camping is beyond me.
> Why don't you two gentlemen take it off-list, huh?

This is flotsam spilling over from the RORT ng.  

** We do not need this here guys, keep it over there please, thanks. **
Harry Harris - 26 Mar 2008 20:46 GMT
>REPLY:  How come your fervently hoping that there is no personal
>Creator or Heaven ?   Are you under the misconception that no one has
>entered heaven and has returned to tell about it ?

Sorry, Dave, but you need to study the Bible with the intent to know what it
teaches.

For example, the Bible teaches that nobody has yet been received into
heaven. So it follows that nobody has entered heaven and returned to tell
about it. The Bible teaches that when a person dies his soul goes into limbo
(Sheol) where it waits unaware of the passing of time until the judgment day
when all souls will be re-incarnated and judged as to whom will go to heaven
and who will go to hell. Those picked to go to hell will immediately go to
hell and remain there forever and ever. Those picked to go to Heaven will
remain on Earth for a thousand years enjoying God's Kingdom on Earth after
which the world will end and it's inhabitants will then go to Heaven.

Dave, I really think you are a false Christian. I'm not a Christian but I've
studied your Bible until I'm more of an expert at it than most people who
claim to be Christians. The Bible is touted as God's word. It's actually a
wonderful book with some very worthwhile teachings. Wouldn't it behoove a
good Christian to listen to God's word and understand it and not go around
spouting nonsense such as people's having gone to heaven already and
returned. That's just not supported by what it says in the Bible. I suggest
you study the last book in the Bible.

And, Dave, no man has yet gone to Heaven and returned to tell about it. Even
Jesus Christ has not yet done that. At the second coming Jesus will then be
the very first man to have gone to Heaven and returned to Earth. Shame on
you for trying to impersonate a Christian when you lack even the basic
Christian beliefs.

> From what youve
> examined about the Universe and life...does it look like it was sort
> of haphazardly thrown together?

Hell no! It seems to me that some sort of all powerful entity or God if you
wish to call him that created the universe out of whatever process he put in
place and commenced about 13.5 billion years ago in what is called the Big
Bang. Seems to me you'd have to be a complete dolt to not see the perfection
of the process that resulted in what we see all around us and that we can
somewhat understand it.

> Lastly,  if you dont care about such
> issues,  why dont you care since they involve you ?  Lastly,
> Christians arent called to sit in the corner reading the Bible and
> other popular stereotypes ;  nor is it our duty to bring tolerance to
> the world . There isnt anything unchristian about asking challenging
> questions in the light of someones welfare.

You can't use lastly twice in a row. I care about understanding such issues.
My understanding is based on a broader foundation than yours as I've studied
many things and many religions and science and physics and chemistry and
philosophy. My creator would not want me to stifle my understanding of the
process I find myself involved in. That's one big problem with Christianity
that I can see. Christian people are encouraged to just believe what they're
told and not ask tough questions. I suppose that's just fine for people who
lack curiosity but for curious and intelligent folks that will never do.
It's got to be an organized religion thing that wishes to subjugate its
followers and encourage them to become and stay brainwashed and compliant.

As for asking challenging questions in the hopes of saving somebody from
damnation go ahead, knock yourself out but allow those who think your
challenging questions are somewhat simplistic, dysfunctional and meddling to
interface with the world in their own manner. What ever happened to the
Christian concept of live and let live?

Harry Harris

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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 27 Mar 2008 03:15 GMT
>> REPLY:  How come your fervently hoping that there is no personal
>> Creator or Heaven ?   Are you under the misconception that no one has
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> for a thousand years enjoying God's Kingdom on Earth after which the
> world will end and it's inhabitants will then go to Heaven.

IIRC the above seems to have some Jehovah's Witness philosophy in it; but
I'm not saying Harry is a JW as the overall theology presented is
inconsistant with their teachings...Hang on; why are we discussing this here
in alt.rv? Shouldn't this be done in alt.philosophy or soewhere similar?

> Dave, I really think you are a false Christian.

You're not alone there then; even other Christians would agree with you.

> I'm not a Christian
> but I've studied your Bible until I'm more of an expert at it than
> most people who claim to be Christians.

Likewise: It's quite ironic that we non-Christians know the Bible better
than Christians; although having said that the interpretations of certain
passages are manyfold. (Unlike DiLV's interpretation of the back passage.)

> The Bible is touted as God's
> word. It's actually a wonderful book with some very worthwhile
> teachings.

The operative word there is *some* -Depending upon personal interpretation
that is.

> Wouldn't it behoove a good Christian to listen to God's
> word and understand it and not go around spouting nonsense such as
> people's having gone to heaven already and returned. That's just not
> supported by what it says in the Bible. I suggest you study the last
> book in the Bible.

I suggest he reads more than a few verses of the Bible and stops reading the
crap that idiot fundys say about it.

> And, Dave, no man has yet gone to Heaven and returned to tell about
> it. Even Jesus Christ has not yet done that. At the second coming
> Jesus will then be the very first man to have gone to Heaven and
> returned to Earth. Shame on you for trying to impersonate a Christian
> when you lack even the basic Christian beliefs.

I've never heard that interpretation before - Are you trying to start a new
religion?

>> From what youve
>> examined about the Universe and life...does it look like it was sort
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>
> Harry Harris

Nobody who tries to understand the Bible gets the same meaning from it
because nobody can make head or tail of it in its entirity: But then again
no nonsense makes total sense.

I get the feeling that by engaging in this discussion here we're just aiding
DiLV's disruption of newsgroups with his incessant trolling; therefore I'll
not be discusswing religion further in this group.
Harry Harris - 27 Mar 2008 19:04 GMT
> I've never heard that interpretation before - Are you trying to start a
> new religion?

Maybe you need to read Revelation again yourself. Here are the Chapter and
verse that confirm what I said. It happens in the End Times.

King James Bible, Revelation Chapter 20

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless
pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and
Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon
him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years
should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in
their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his
prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of
the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of
whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of
the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of
heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented
day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face
the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead
were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according
to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell
delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second
death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the
lake of fire.

And please read the following as it confirms the concepts above: 1
Thessalonians 4:13-18 and I Corinthinas 15:51-53

The main point is that if souls were already in heaven why is it necessary
to have a judgment day at all. It wouldn't make much sense to snatch souls
out of heaven and throw some of them in hell. NO, it's pretty clear that
when a person dies his soul waits until judgement day at which time its fate
is decided. Somewhere in the Bible it says (I can't recall where I read it
but I did read it) that when people die their souls pass out of their bodies
and go to a place where they wait. They wait without being aware of the
passing of time so that the time between death and final judgement seems
instantaneous to the reincarnated person at judgement day.

Harry Harris

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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 28 Mar 2008 16:13 GMT
>> I've never heard that interpretation before - Are you trying to
>> start a new religion?
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>
> Harry Harris

I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism setting
in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did say I wouldn't
discuss religion here in this group, so I'll stick to my word.

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Harry Harris - 28 Mar 2008 18:15 GMT
> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism
> setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did say I
> wouldn't discuss religion here in this group, so I'll stick to my word.

Not! You see wrong, sweetheart!  My point is this, if DiLV claims to be a
Christian then he should know and understand what it says in the Bible. A
thinking person can't take the Bible literally like the fundies do but one
can glean lessons from it and understand what it says about the past and
future. But you've got to recognize allegory for what it is - a good way to
make a point that might be remembered but not as word for word fact. Fundies
go too far. Rather than think, they just believe everything they are told.
And they believe it literally. Not a wise thing to do at all.

Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been worth but
a flip? Women rarely know their own mind so their word is like a leaf
blowing in the wind. You just can't ever know where it's gonna go. You can't
depend on it because women don't recognize the concept of honor like men do.
Women change their minds all the time to suit changing situations. Woman
don't think it's dishonorable to do so. Women are driven more by their
feelings and intuition than by any concept of honor or word-giving. Giving
one's word is nothing if it ain't backed up by honor.

Harry Harris

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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 28 Mar 2008 21:02 GMT
>> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism
>> setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did
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> they just believe everything they are told. And they believe it
> literally. Not a wise thing to do at all.

Point taken.

> Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been
> worth but a flip?

Whenever we don't use our perogative and change our mind beforehand: Your
sexism is noted.

> Women rarely know their own mind so their word is
> like a leaf blowing in the wind. You just can't ever know where it's
> gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the
> concept of honor like men do.

It's like my friend's boyfriend; he's always honor and off her.

> Women change their minds all the time
> to suit changing situations.

Aka adaptability/evolution.

> Woman don't think it's dishonorable to
> do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by
> any concept of honor or word-giving.

Intuition is much more effective than prejudgement.

> Giving one's word is nothing if
> it ain't backed up by honor.

Seeing as you like men so much perhaps you ought to follow through on your
earlier offer to suck Dimwit's dick.
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Harry Harris - 29 Mar 2008 00:05 GMT
>>> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of fundamentalism
>>> setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All the same I did
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>
> Point taken.

I'm glad you agree.

>> Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been
>> worth but a flip?
>
> Whenever we don't use our perogative and change our mind beforehand: Your
> sexism is noted.

What some call sexism others call realism!

>> Women rarely know their own mind so their word is
>> like a leaf blowing in the wind. You just can't ever know where it's
>> gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the
>> concept of honor like men do.
>
> It's like my friend's boyfriend; he's always honor and off her.

Groan!

>> Women change their minds all the time
>> to suit changing situations.
>
> Aka adaptability/evolution.

What some call adaptability others might call fluff-headedness or being
blonde. Or even being a boob! Speaking of boobs check out this funny little
movie about that topic.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/ZENO_THE_BADD/Standalone%20choppers%20fie
ld%20meet/?action=view&current=99wordsforboobs.flv

You might like it if you're really bi-sexual.

>> Woman don't think it's dishonorable to
>> do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by
>> any concept of honor or word-giving.
>
> Intuition is much more effective than prejudgement.

Intuition is just so hit-or-miss. It's a waste.

>> Giving one's word is nothing if
>> it ain't backed up by honor.
>
> Seeing as you like men so much perhaps you ought to follow through on your
> earlier offer to suck Dimwit's dick.

I never did any such thing. In case you didn't notice it there's some fool
doing direct forgeries of my posts. Probably DiLV himself ;-)  Whoever it is
must be stupid because he doesn't even try to frog the e-mail addy - just
forges it letter for letter which is a direct violation of his TOS
agreement. I warned him once but since he continues to persist in his folly
I've reported him to freetera and included a copy of his headers and asked
that they ask him to stop with the forgeries. They'll know who it is because
of the message ID code.

Harry Harris
(propane-free zone)

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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 29 Mar 2008 03:09 GMT
>>>> I see you're a Biblical literalist: There's danger of
>>>> fundamentalism setting in! (I'm not a Bible believer anyway.) All
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>
> I'm glad you agree.

I didn't say I agreed; I said "Point taken"; meaning I understand your
opinion. I saw no benefit from taking that particular branch of the
discussion any further.

>>> Stick to your word? C'mon dear! Since when has a woman's word been
>>> worth but a flip?
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>
> What some call sexism others call realism!

DiLV calls lies and falsehoods "Good"; but that makes then no less negative
than a sausage or weener stops being a sausage or weener when it's put
between bread and called a hamburger. (American slant intentional though
FNAR.)

>>> Women rarely know their own mind so their word is
>>> like a leaf blowing in the wind.

Furthermore I disagree that "women rarely know their own mind". On the
contrary; women are more self-aware than men. The fact is that women use a
much deeper reasoning process based upon feelings, intuition, and opinion;
in addition to reason and logic: Because the process is much more
complicated it takes much longer to reach a decision and that decision may
appear in more than one format and/or solution, therefore intuition comes
into play in deciding which solution will be used, based upon ultimate
common sense. An intelligent woman will change her mind based upon further
analysis, often borne from feelings, leading to a more reasonable conclusion
combined with seeing things in a different light or from a different angle
with further analysis. The fact that men are unable to think outside their
own mental box that they have constructed from their limited world-view does
not make women inferior; quite the opposite in fact.

>>>You just can't ever know where it's
>>> gonna go. You can't depend on it because women don't recognize the
>>> concept of honor like men do.

What is the point of sticking to an incorrect decision or one that could be
executed better with more thought for the purpose of some pathetic
machoness? That is just foolhardy stubbornness: Surely it is much more
sensible to develop and recalculate?:

What is this: ___________ ?
                 ___________
What is it :  \___________\ ?

(i hope the diagram comes out right after sending.)

Now you've seen it from 2 angles it's much clearer; and your original
decision that it was a line can be seen to be incorrect.

>> It's like my friend's boyfriend; he's always honor and off her.
>
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> What some call adaptability others might call fluff-headedness or
> being blonde. Or even being a boob!

- Like fundamentalists call anything they don't understand "evil".

> Speaking of boobs check out this
> funny little movie about that topic.
> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v227/ZENO_THE_BADD/Standalone%20choppers%20fie
ld%20meet/?action=view&current=99wordsforboobs.flv

> You might like it if you're really bi-sexual.

ROFL I love it; that was awesome - And I suppose partly because I love the
original "99 Red Balloons" record; both the English and the German version.
(99 Luftballons)

>>> Woman don't think it's dishonorable to
>>> do so. Women are driven more by their feelings and intuition than by
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>
> Intuition is just so hit-or-miss. It's a waste.

Utter drivel; it's not a guessing game. If you guess at random the best
probability of being correct is 50%. Intuition is more like a gut feeling:
Many men use it too; especially detectives, and it's frequently correct or
very near the mark.

>>> Giving one's word is nothing if
>>> it ain't backed up by honor.
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> with the forgeries. They'll know who it is because of the message ID
> code.
Point taken.

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wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:48 GMT
On Mar 25, 3:27 pm, "Harry Harris"
<harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:
> <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

propane accidents do not seem that common ...

check out yogananda parmahansa, autobiography of a yogi, self
realization fellowship

one of the most inspiring spiritual leaders of the century whom talks
about christ, the bible, meditation.

http://www.yogananda-srf.org/special_ancmnts/ayanniversary/index.html

http://www.yogananda-srf.org/py-life/index.html
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 10:23 GMT
On Mar 25, 12:10 pm, "Harry Harris"
<harryhar...@thehilltopcafe.invalid> wrote:

> > Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas"
> > (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky!
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> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

Life is full of hazards, and a risk averse culture seeks to impose all
kinds of security means twards even the hazards of a police state to
avoid risks and to be safe. If I want to get out of my stuffy condo
into the woods on a good many occasions year round, and yet be able to
heat my unit enough so I can read a book, strum a few notes on my
guitar, even eat a hot meal, hit the slopes with my snowboard, or surf
some waves, then I will be forced to take risks and I may even hurt
myself. I will try to avoid dumb mistakes, but alas everyone is human.
All I can do is to try to learn from my mistakes , not repeat them and
try not to develop an inferiority complex for any of the dumb things I
may have done which I can not change the past. I think it a greater
risk to health and mind those that stay at home and eat junk food in
front of the TV for hours who may complain that it's too cold to go
outside.
Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ - 27 Mar 2008 03:25 GMT
>> Fit a propane-powered engine and spit in the face of Harris. "Gas"
>> (Petrol) in the UK is topping $10US/gallon so think yourself lucky!
>> <snipped spam komputer add>

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ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2008 20:49 GMT
> I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future
>options might be
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>
> Any other ideas along these lines ?

Interestingly, the smallest Livin' Lite is a rebirth of the Coleman
Colorado, which I once pulled with a Saturn sedan (got 28 mpg
end-to-end on a three-month,  eight thousand mile trip) with the 85Hp
engine (tow capacity 1,000 lbs).

This one is an improvement with the aluminum frame and flooring
although not much lighter.

However, I am now looking at Teardrops (my Scamp 13' won't fit into my
garage), primarily because the pop-ups become a set-up problem in wet
weather.

Pete
Calif Bill - 26 Mar 2008 07:00 GMT
>> I was doing some research because I was wondering what my future
>>options might be
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>
> Pete

The popup slide in truck camper is much easier to set up in the rain than a
trailer popup.  They are going to import the small diesel engine pickups in
to the US shortly.  The European VW Jetta TDI gets 50+ mpg.  Heck my 2004
Crewcab 2500hd 4x4 Duramax chevy with a 1400+ Palomino slidein popup (b-800)
got 15 mpg for a 8200 mile drive to alaska 2 years ago.
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:42 GMT
> <ratatouille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> Crewcab 2500hd 4x4 Duramax chevy with a 1400+ Palomino slidein popup (b-800)
> got 15 mpg for a 8200 mile drive to alaska 2 years ago.

Most pop up slide in weight at least 1000 pounds. four wheel campers
makes one that is 500 pounds, but it costs over $10,000, the model
shown here doesn't come with a furnace which is extra: http://www.fourwh.com/falcon.htm

That would be a possibility, though it seems kind of expensive. I
would hope the lift system is well put together. The viking truck
campers that I have had, the roll pins on the lift system come lose.
Right now I have a micky mouse system of tiny bungy cords
that press up against the roll pins which have loosened so that they
won't fall out.

I would like to see a sizable truck that got 30 mpg, though I am
affraid even that wouldn't be enough in coming years ...
Calif Bill - 27 Mar 2008 07:20 GMT
>> <ratatouille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
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> I would like to see a sizable truck that got 30 mpg, though I am
> affraid even that wouldn't be enough in coming years ...

The lift system on the 4wheel is you push up the roof and flip up the end.
Then push up the other end and do the same thing.  My Son in Law has one for
a Tacoma on his Tundra as it is the only size that will fit in his garage
for storage.  Nice rig, but he likes mine better.  I have a full size door
and also the extra room of one for a full size p/u.  Both cost over $10k.
The Palomino would be a lot lighter if they used the same construction as
the 4wheel.  They use an aluminum frame for the 4 wheel and the Palomino
uses wood as do most other camper makers.  If I drove at 70 mph or so, I
would probably get 18 mpg with the camper.  Coming back from Los Angeles on
Monday, I mostly stayed under 80 and got 18.7 mpg.  Darn good for a full
size pickup.  Had a wheel problem on my boat trailer a week ago, and came
back from Sacramento 90 miles at the 55 mph towing speed limit and averaged
almost 19 mpg, towing 4300# of boat and trailer.  So the new diesel in the
light trucks should really do well.  GM is building a new 4.7l or near that
size for the 1500 series trucks.
wbsurfver@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 09:34 GMT
On Mar 25, 3:49 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:51:00 -0700 (PDT), "wbsurf...@yahoo.com"
>
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>
> Pete

You mean you get wet trying to set up ?
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 26 Mar 2008 22:53 GMT
>On Mar 25, 3:49 pm, ratatouille...@yahoo.com wrote:

>> Interestingly, the smallest Livin' Lite is a rebirth of the Coleman
>> Colorado, which I once pulled with a Saturn sedan (got 28 mpg
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>
> You mean you get wet trying to set up ?

Exactly, although everything in the rig can get wet, besides just me.
The Colorado came up from one end like a baby carriage and was easy
enough to set up with a monster blue tarp draped over it, but the
Livin' Lites set up differently (they have a video) and don't look to
lend themselves to being draped.  Also, if I bring home wet canvas, I
have no place to set up and dry it -- Drawback of living in condo.

Pete
GBinNC - 27 Mar 2008 00:51 GMT
>> You mean you get wet trying to set up ?

>Exactly, although everything in the rig can get wet, besides just me.
>The Colorado came up from one end like a baby carriage and was easy
>enough to set up with a monster blue tarp draped over it, but the
>Livin' Lites set up differently (they have a video) and don't look to
>lend themselves to being draped.  Also, if I bring home wet canvas, I
>have no place to set up and dry it -- Drawback of living in condo.

Just curious -- why wouldn't you consider an Aliner type? Seems to me
that would be the best of both worlds. Quick setup and no canvas to get
wet.

I've never spent any time looking at trailers of any kind, but a friend
of mine has an Aliner and it looks really easy to deal with.

GB in NC
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2008 18:36 GMT
>>> You mean you get wet trying to set up ?
>
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>
>GB in NC

Airliner is good in theory, but they are expensive and I have read too
much negative about quality and longevity (I'm very spoiled with my
molded fiberglass rig).

Pete
GBinNC - 27 Mar 2008 19:56 GMT
>>I've never spent any time looking at trailers of any kind, but a friend
>>of mine has an Aliner and it looks really easy to deal with.
>>
>>GB in NC

>Airliner is good in theory, but they are expensive and I have read too
>much negative about quality and longevity (I'm very spoiled with my
>molded fiberglass rig).

Okay. I bow to your greater research. But the concept seems appealing.

GB in NC
Tomes - 27 Mar 2008 02:40 GMT
<ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> <wbsurfver@gmail.com> :
>>ratatouille...@yahoo.com :
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> lend themselves to being draped.  Also, if I bring home wet canvas, I
> have no place to set up and dry it -- Drawback of living in condo.

When I set up the popup in the rain the only thing that gets wet is me.  On
my Coachmen the canvas ends are attached to the bed end and no water gets
in.  I did need to learn how to do it in the old Coleman -  I just needed to
ensure that the canvass stayed over the bed ends.  We also tried to face it
away from the wind source so it did not blow into the doorway before the
door was up (unfurling the awning helps here too).  We usually wanted it to
face away from the wind anyway to keep the awning from blowing over.
Tomes
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 27 Mar 2008 18:39 GMT
><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
>> <wbsurfver@gmail.com> :
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>face away from the wind anyway to keep the awning from blowing over.
>Tomes

That's generally true for larger pop-ups, but the smaller ones set up
differently.  One starts by taking a soft cover off the whole rig and
folding that away...  Watch the video and you will see what I mean -
The bedding is exposed to the weather.

Pete
Tomes - 28 Mar 2008 01:22 GMT
<ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> "Tomes":
>><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
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> folding that away...  Watch the video and you will see what I mean -
> The bedding is exposed to the weather.

Ah - did not know that, thanks!
Tomes
Tomes - 28 Mar 2008 01:26 GMT
<ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> "Tomes" :
>><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
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> The bedding is exposed to the weather.
> Pete

What video?  Musta missed it...
Tomes
ratatouillerat@yahoo.com - 28 Mar 2008 02:50 GMT
><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
>> "Tomes" :
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>What video?  Musta missed it...
>Tomes

Go to

http://www.livinlite.com/

and click on 'Watch Movie' on left side.  Just tried it and it didn't
work for me but worked the other day.

The Colorado was also exposed, but less so because front sleeper slid
out like a drawer and top was already over it except where you had to
fasten down the edges and I was able to set up/break down under large
tarp.

Pete
Tomes - 29 Mar 2008 12:55 GMT
<ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
> , "Tomes" :
>><ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
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> tarp.
> Pete

Yeah, the movie did not work for me either 'Page not found'.  Bummer that.
Check that!  I figured out how to see it - you gotta use pull-down from the
top menu choices, not the link in the text.

I had never heard of these critters.  They look interesting for low tow
ratings.  Thanks for the link.

Seeing the video now and reading the text I see what you mean.  Looks like a
simple solution to the 'overdone' popups of today.
Tomes
johnb - 03 Apr 2008 14:37 GMT
but getting VERY wet ???

it DOES rain at times and looks like everything will be more then damp with
any waterfalling??

the setup video is missing some things, - hooking the bed braces could be a
chore, as well as a lot of snaps... OH - one other thing, what about solo
camping???

I know - quit complaining, but did I say it looks nice??

but it does look nice

jb in WI
> <ratatouillerat@yahoo.com> ...
>> , "Tomes" :
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> a simple solution to the 'overdone' popups of today.
> Tomes
Mark Jones - 04 Apr 2008 18:50 GMT
> but getting VERY wet ???
>
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>
> but it does look nice

I set up my Fleetwood Niagara by myself and it has never
been a problem. I am usually inside and resting for a bit
in about 7 or 8 minutes with the electricity hooked up
and the air conditioner on.

This one has a 14 foot box and is almost 27 feet long when
open, so it is among some of the largest on the market.
none - 05 Apr 2008 01:45 GMT
>> but getting VERY wet ???
>>
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> This one has a 14 foot box and is almost 27 feet long when
> open, so it is among some of the largest on the market.

That sounds nice, but the Fleetwood Niagra is just a tiny bit large and
heavy for a "mini-tent-camper" thread.
Mark Jones - 05 Apr 2008 23:25 GMT
> That sounds nice, but the Fleetwood Niagra is just a tiny bit large
> and heavy for a "mini-tent-camper" thread.

They asked if something much smaller than my camper could
be deployed by 1 person and I showed where something
much bigger than their's could be opened by one person
as a comparison, so this is in fact on topic for this thread.
none - 07 Apr 2008 02:11 GMT
>> That sounds nice, but the Fleetwood Niagra is just a tiny bit large
>> and heavy for a "mini-tent-camper" thread.
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> much bigger than their's could be opened by one person
> as a comparison, so this is in fact on topic for this thread.

I can see the sense in that, but it's a somewhat humorous fact that a
large Coleman is actually easier and faster to set up than the tiny
Quicksilver. I've owned Coleman tent trailers and campers, and if my car
could pull one I'd own one now. Fleetwood makes them these days, but I'm
sure they're just as good.
Now, if they'd only start making the "Country Squire Jr" Pickup-truck
camper again...
That was one fine little rig.
Tony Wesley - 07 Apr 2008 06:22 GMT
> [...] I've owned Coleman tent trailers and campers, and if my car
> could pull one I'd own one now. Fleetwood makes them these days, but I'm
> sure they're just as good.

Nobody makes them these days.

Fleetwood wasn't paying proper royalties to Colman, so Colman sues,
and canceled Fleetwood's right to use the name.  Colman arranged for
Coachman(?) to make Colman campers.  Fleetwood sues, claims the rights
of the name cannot be reassigned due to the original agreement.

Colman ends up winning the money plus punitive damages but losing on
the name.

So no one is making Colman campers any more.
 
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