> REPLY: Hello Greg. Yes, that is my former email addy. Im afraid
> that you have a couple of misconceptions, willfully twist the
> scriptures to suit your own lifestyle agenda of entitlement , and do
> not undertand the character of our wonderful Creator God.
That is your opinion, Dave, and I suppose you're entitled to it but please
allow me to cite scripture to prove why most of your opinions do not agree
with scripture. Of course, the Bible is a complicated book and sometimes it
seems to be at odds with reality and even itself but it's main message is
supposed to be to teach us how to love and understand our Creator.
> It was
> mankinds sin in the Garden that caused God to introduce clothing for
> thier naked bodies which is still the same reason why clothing is used
> today;
It was, indeed Adam and Eve's sin of listening to Satan and disobeying Gods
order to not eat of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
But your Bible says the following: Genesis 3:21 "Unto Adam also and to his
wife did the Lord God make coats of skins and clothed them." It fails to say
anything about why God did so. And it fails to make any mention of your
claim that it was done to cover their sins and that people henceforth were
never to remove their clothing in public. That is just organized religion
misinterpretation, I'm afraid. A more sensible thing to think would be God
provided them clothing to ease their discomfit and shame since God was not
willing to take these away because the lesson he was teaching them is
disobeying God has consequences.
> further, it is encumbant upon your wife not to expose herself
> in public and that is reserved ONLY for you as her commitment to your
> marriage .
Yet another organized religion tenet. Cite the scripture in your Bible,
please, that supports your contention.
> Plus, it is YOUR responsibility as her husband to protect
> your wife from others seeing her sexual parts which are meant for only
> YOU to enjoy ; to do otherwise, is a perversion to the very sanctity
> of marriage thusly ordained by God himself which he expects both of
> you to prevent.
My gosh, Dave, but are you ever a prudish lout! Nowhere in your Bible does
it make any such claim as you have written above. But scripture does say the
following: Genesis3:16, "Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply
they sorrow and they conception; in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Seems to me when God says the husband shall rule over the wife it means just
that. If a man is comfortable with his wife being naked and being
photographed and indicates to her that he approves of that behavior then the
wife is just doing her wifely duty while the husband is just following Gods
edict.
> Lastly, it is NOT your responsibility 'to control'
> your wife as you allege ; it is your responsibility as a husband to
> treat your wife with respect, gentleness, honor, and to cherish her as
> Christ loved the Church.
Nice sentiments but, yet again, they are not from your Bible but from some
extra added rules and regulations organized sect religion has penned and is
attempting to enforce. How can you say it is not the husbands responsibility
to control his wife when your Bible clearly states the husband shall rule
over the wife. If ruling over isn't control then tell me, Dave, just what
is?
> By allowing everyone and anyone to see her
> in the form of sexual intimacy , you have negated your responsibilitys
> as a respectful/honoring/and caring Husband and have instead, proved
> yourself to be the type of person the New Testament describes as a
> Reprobate Mind given over to fleshly desires and the things of this
> world which are not of God.
Gee whiz, Dave, but you and other religious sect followers seem to be so
very uptight about nudity and sex. You've gotten so far over any sensible
line that you equate a young woman enjoying nature in a private setting and
not engaging in any sexual conduct whatsoever with the sex act. Can you say
"uptight prude?"
And then you compound your folly by saying my wife is a "thing of this world
which are not of God." Well, excuse me! How do you know my wife is not of
God. She was created by God, wasn't she? She is not committing any sin that
I know of. If she were then she would not be able to take a bath, for
example. Does God really want his children to go around filthy and to avoid
even getting close to streams and glades?
> Finally, God cannot be mocked by your
> feeble attempt at justifying rebellion nor can he be mocked by your
> deliberate twisting of his written word to mankind for correct and
> civil living.
May I suggest that it is YOU, sir, who are mocking God with your lame
attempts to act like God? Your hypocritical attempts to put yourself in the
place of God, to impose your false edicts and moral misconceptions upon
others?
You claim I mock God while I cite the scripture to buttress my claims and
you just make vague references to religious sect screeds that are not
Biblical. Remember that it says in your Bible that anybody who attempts to
add to or take away from the Bible will not be going to Heaven. Read
Revelation 22:17 please.
Your religions sect nonsense is doing just that - attempting to add to or
take away from the Bible.
> I trust you will have enough dignity and sincere sorrow
> to ask God for the forgiveness which you need to seek, then, to repent
> which means 'to turn from' your former/present ways that do not meet
> with the loving Creators mandates. Please express the same to your
> beloved wife. Thank you.
I need not ask for God's forgiveness because I obey his law as stated in the
Bible. I have no need to repent of the fact that I follow God's
commandments. It is you, sir, that needs to examine your misconceptions and
mend your ways and ask for understanding before you attempt to teach that
which you have so little understanding.
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Gregory Hall
IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2008 01:09 GMT
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REPLY: Sorry Greg, but, it is so fundamental that God is a personal
Creator who is infintely holy, moral, and unchangeable ... that even
unchurched people know these basic character traits of the Creator.
Your idea of how God is , is based on your self centered, liberal,
uncontrolled agenda for how you want to live your life. Your exegesis
of scripture is a travesty and is reconstituted to coincide with YOUR
agenda . God cannot be mocked and you really need to surrender your
life to God and his moral mandates which are for your own benefit as
well as those you love.
IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2008 01:19 GMT
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REPLY: Sorry....P.S. : Greg, Right now in your life based on your
above testimony...you are only a 'Said-Christian' ; someone who knows
a bit of christian-eze, may fill a pew in church from time to time,
may go thru a few sacramental steps , etc....but you arent Born Again
yet which Christ said you had to be in order to enter heaven. Christ
said you can tell real Followers by the fruit they produce , or, the
positive evidence from having had a real encounter with the living
Christ. The Bible explicitly says that there will be a distancing of
the worldly philosophies incl. immoral desires of the flesh one had
before, in addition to a real hunger for the things of God including
right living. Youre not there yet Greg, but you can be if you choose
to be. But its going to require you to give your entire life over to
Christ and a gradual but sure distancing of yourself from the lure of
what the world considers 'important' . I trust you and your wife
will choose this route making Christ your compass instead of the
dictates of your Will. Regards, and...End.
Lu Powell - 30 Apr 2008 02:13 GMT
On Apr 29, 4:07 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>REPLY: Sorry....P.S. : Greg, Right now in your life based on your
>above testimony...you are only a 'Said-Christian' ; someone who knows
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>will choose this route making Christ your compass instead of the
>dictates of your Will. Regards, and...End.
Well, I for one am glad that's over.......Geeeze.
Hal - 30 Apr 2008 04:45 GMT
On Apr 29, 6:13 pm, "Lu Powell" <zxy...@ohmypapa.net> wrote: Well, I
for one am glad that's over.......Geeeze
As is everyone else
FYI---->Dave is a well-known (and widely ignored/killfiled) bible
thumping webtv troll who loves telling the rest of the world how to
live from his Throne of Omnipotence
Hal
GBinNC - 30 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT
>FYI---->Dave is a well-known (and widely ignored/killfiled) bible
>thumping webtv troll who loves telling the rest of the world how to
>live from his Throne of Omnipotence
>Hal
And just FYI -- most people who reply to him (that would be you) also
get filtered by many of the rest of us.
GB in NC
GBinNC - 30 Apr 2008 04:58 GMT
>>FYI---->Dave is a well-known (and widely ignored/killfiled) bible
>>thumping webtv troll who loves telling the rest of the world how to
>>live from his Throne of Omnipotence
>>Hal
>And just FYI -- most people who reply to him (that would be you) also
>get filtered by many of the rest of us.
>
>GB in NC
Oops. You didn't reply to him. You replied to someone else. My bad.
Still....
GB in NC
Lu Powell - 30 Apr 2008 14:37 GMT
>>>FYI---->Dave is a well-known (and widely ignored/killfiled) bible
>>>thumping webtv troll who loves telling the rest of the world how to
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> GB in NC
Thanks for realizing I wasn't responding to the troll. I normally don't
respond at all to those type of threads, but that one was getting out of
control. I will killfile the Billy Graham want-to-be.
Lu in FL
Hal - 30 Apr 2008 15:51 GMT
> >>FYI---->Dave is a well-known (and widely ignored/killfiled) bible
> >>thumping webtv troll who loves telling the rest of the world how to
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> GB in NC
No problem.
Hal
Dr H@l0nf1r£$ - 30 Apr 2008 17:09 GMT
> > >>FYI---->Dave is a well-known (and widely ignored/killfiled) bible
> > >>thumping webtv troll who loves telling the rest of the world how to
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HA HA Dimwit Dave is afraid of his tiny weener. Hey Dave; what do you
shine your halo with these days?
IlBeBauck@gmail.com - 30 Apr 2008 17:09 GMT
> On Apr 29, 6:13 pm, "Lu Powell" <zxy...@ohmypapa.net> wrote: Well, I
> for one am glad that's over.......Geeeze
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> live from his Throne of Omnipotence
> Hal
REPLY: Now Hal...you know its not from little ol' me ; its from The
Creators Authoirity via the written instructions to all of mankind.
Even for folks whos name starts with 'H' and ends in 'L' :)
Dr H@l0nf1r£$ - 30 Apr 2008 17:12 GMT
On Apr 30, 5:09 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 6:13 pm, "Lu Powell" <zxy...@ohmypapa.net> wrote: Well, I
> > for one am glad that's over.......Geeeze
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> Creators Authoirity via the written instructions to all of mankind.
> Even for folks whos name starts with 'H' and ends in 'L' :)
Dimwit you're utterly mentally ill: Seek help!
Gregory Hall - 30 Apr 2008 19:37 GMT
> Dimwit you're utterly mentally ill: Seek help!
And, he's stupid and ignorant, too. I politely asked him some questions
about where in his Bible it supported his false claims and what did he come
back with? Generalized, sanctimonious, elitist, personal preaching based on
his erroneous and quite anal retentive notions. He never even attempted to
use his Bible to support his lame, control freak notions. I don't think he
even reads the Bible - just spouts what other members of his cult spout.
Why? Because nowhere in his Bible does it support his religious sect (I
should say "cult") prudish nonsense. More discord in this world can be
attributed to Dave and his ilk than just about any other single factor.
People who, through ignorance and brainwashing, have decided that their
religion is the only religion and it is their job to force their false
beliefs on others do irreparable harm to their own cause.
To me this seem to be the greatest lie ever told. Claiming to be a
"Christian" but abusing the Christ's teachings in their Bible which they
claim is the foundation of their religious beliefs. I guess they are just
totally incapable of understand the term, " to blaspheme!" They hope to
rely on the fact that they have read their Bible a little more than some
'heathen' but, lo and behold, some of us heathens are more capable of
reading and understanding their Bible than they are. Even if we don't
believe it, we know it. That makes them less qualified to argue their own
beliefs with any validity so they do what Dave does. They avoid a serious
discussion. They resort to preaching, name-calling and condemning everybody
else to their hell. It's utterly absurd.
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Gregory Hall
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Gregory Hall