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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / June 2008Woman cyclist killed by RV
http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt Yet another reason to hate RVers. Shad O'Shay > http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > > Yet another reason to hate RVers. She turned in front of the RV abruptly. Sad but sounds like an unsafe bicyclist. Thanks for telling us. > > http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > > > > Yet another reason to hate RVers. > > She turned in front of the RV abruptly. Sad but sounds like an unsafe > bicyclist. Thanks for telling us. Last time I was in Canada, I was "2nd" on the scene of a biker on the road. There was already an RCMP there, I assumed it had been a hit and run. Turned out the bike had made a illegal lane change (see above) in front the of the officer. He couldn't avoid the bike any more then the RV could have  Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv >> http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt >> >> Yet another reason to hate RVers. > >She turned in front of the RV abruptly. Sad but sounds like an unsafe >bicyclist. Thanks for telling us. I drive transit buses daily. Bicyclists are *always* doing dumb things. Mainly they break every vehicle code out there. They keep forgetting that they must obey all rules that pertain to cars. A month or so ago a bicyclist turned left from the bike lane unto my lane as I was approaching at about 35 MPH. I had to hit the service brake and missed him by inches. The result was that two bus passengers had to be sent to the hospital. The nice thing was that it happened across the street from a brand-new hospital. The bicyclist disappeared. (my supervisor at the scene whispered to me "you shoulda run over the little bastard") Eddie Another reason to beware of bicyclists who disregard rules of the road and consume alcohol.... > http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > > Yet another reason to hate RVers. > > Shad O'Shay Yet another reason not to have dumass bicycles on a highway. s > http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > > Yet another reason to hate RVers. > > Shad O'Shay >http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > >Yet another reason to hate RVers. > >Shad O'Shay or cyclists >> http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > or cyclists Maybe it was a propane powered bicycle, and HH was preventing possible future deaths... :) > http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > > Yet another reason to hate RVers. > > Shad O'Shay REPLY: 'Troopers say Sawtelle was pedaling an 18-speed Mongoose bicycle on the shoulder of the southbound lane of U.S. 1 at 5:55 p.m. April 18. She reportedly attempted to cross the southbound lane by making an abrupt left turn into the highway.' Shad, Should a Motorist be blamed if this cyclist made an abrupt turn without checking to see if it was safe to do so ? Should the Motorist be blamed if the cyclist made an illegal turn ? Arnt the rules of the road for everyone who travels on them ? Shad, please stop being hostile agaisnt RVers --- nearly all of them are the nicest caring people youd ever want to meet in the outdoors ; they may not be in as good as shape as you are being an avid cyclist..but, nearly all have hearts of Gold. On May 16, 3:36 pm, "Shad O'Shay" <beverlyhi...@steakhouse.org> wrote: >> http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt >> >> Yet another reason to hate RVers. >> >> Shad O'Shay >REPLY: 'Troopers say Sawtelle was pedaling an 18-speed Mongoose >bicycle on the shoulder of the southbound lane of U.S. 1 at 5:55 p.m. >April 18. She reportedly attempted to cross the southbound lane by >making an abrupt left turn into the highway.' That's what the troopers said? Did they see it? No they did not. They are speculating or believing the RVer whose obviously lying. >Shad, Should a Motorist be blamed if this cyclist made an abrupt turn >without checking to see if it was safe to do so ? Yes they should be blamed for the very same reason they'd be blamed for ramming the back of an automobile making the same left turn. Bicycles, by Florida statutes have as much right to use the traffic lane and turn left from the traffic lane as any other vehicle. A cyclist has no duty to "check to see if it's safe." It is always the duty of overtaking traffic to pass safely according to state statutes. > Should the Motorist >be blamed if >the cyclist made an illegal turn ? How do you know the cyclist made an illegal turn? What you've read is hearsay. >Arnt the rules of the road for >>everyone who travels on them ? Precisely! The traffic statutes in Florida state that a bicyclist has the right to use the shoulder and the right side of the traffic lane. Florida statutes say a motorists must pass a cyclist leaving a minimum of three feet between the cyclist and the vehicle. In other words, unless the cyclist swerves more than three feet and strikes the vehicle any collision is the fault of the vehicle. If the cyclist hits the side of the car by swerving more than three feet the cyclist is at fault. If the cyclist is struck from behind by the car or RV simply because the cyclist was making a left turn, it is the RVs fault. Just like it would be the RV's fault if it struck a car making a sudden left turn without signaling. Safe following distance must be maintained. Safe passing practices must be adhered to. An RV cannot legally pass a cyclist by crowding him off the road he is entitled to occupy. >Shad, please stop being hostile >agaisnt RVers --- nearly all of them are the nicest caring people youd >ever want to meet in the outdoors ; they may not be in as good as >shape as you are being an avid cyclist..but, nearly all have hearts >of Gold. I will NEVER stop being hostile towards RVers. They deserve hostility or worse. They are a rude, obnoxious bully, bunch of losers. They continue to kill innocent people. They drive around causing problems on the road and polluting the air ten times more than any responsible person would feel comfortable doing. Hearts of gold, my a.s! Hearts of cholesterol clogged arteries is more like it. The fat f.cks! They refuse to obey traffic laws. They refuse to even read the statutes. They refuse to acknowledge that cyclists have a legal right to operate on the shoulder and towards the right hand portion of a traffic lane. They refuse to acknowledge that cyclists making a left turn have the right to not be run over from behind because some jerk behind the wheel of a large RV drives said RV in a discourteous, irresponsible and criminally negligent manner. Shad O'Shay On May 19, 10:24 am, "Shad O'Shay" <beverlyhi...@steakhouse.org> wrote: > <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Shad O'Shay REPLY: Shad said : 'A cyclist has no duty to "check to see if it's safe." It is always the duty of overtaking traffic to pass safely according to state statutes. ' Shad, A cyclist travelling on the roads has to obey the road laws and use prudence and common sense when deciding what to do while on the roads ; if a cyclist makes a sudden stupid manuever without making sure it is safe to do so, then they shouldnt be on the roads . If a cyclist pulls out suddenly without any signalling or without looking first, and gets hit by a motorist...then it is the stupidity of the cyclist . If you as a Cyclist hit a kid of 10 that suddenly jumped out from behind a car that was parked without looking , you would call that Kid stupid . Shad, you are too hostile and have too much of an entitlement attitude to be on the roads with traffic ; please consider biking down deserted roads or take up BMX biking . Eventually with your attitude on the roads, youre going to end up paying the consequences. Regards. And, theres no need to use foul language regardless of how upset you are. In article <374cfe87-2d7a-400a-b9ce-f8d7d4619e00@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > ' > Shad, A cyclist travelling on the roads has to obey the road laws and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > consequences. Regards. And, theres no need to use foul language > regardless of how upset you are. Shad is a troll, ignore him and your life will improve Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv > Shad is a troll, ignore him and your life will improve As is Dave/Ilbeback They deserve each other Hal > In article > <374cfe87-2d7a-400a-b9ce-f8d7d4619...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - REPLY: My life cant get any better regardless of Shads MO . (END) > REPLY: My life cant get any better regardless of Shads MO . (END) I suppose you mean how you're saved because you have accepted Jesus Christ as your savoir? If you were to respond in the affirmative I'd have to then say, "Fine, that's a good thing!" But there is a contradiction you don't seem to see clearly if at all. That contradiction being that being saved has great meaning for the afterlife but little meaning for the here and now. The only real meaning it has for the here and now is that, being saved, you should devote your time and energy and have as your life's mission spreading the gospel and recruiting brethren - doing the Lord's work. From what I've read of your posts I'd conclude that you've given it the old college try, at least. But, have your efforts here and in other news groups resulted in any sinners being saved? If not, why are you still wasting your time with these spawn of Satan? Doesn't it say in the Bible that you should not cast your pearls to swine lest they turn on you and rend? I'm also a Christian but honestly there is NOTHING here (you and I excluded) but swine! What do you have to say about that? Shad O'Shay >> REPLY: My life cant get any better regardless of Shads MO . (END) > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Got myself a nice clean driving record, but it's not for lack of cyclists turning out in front of me on what seems like a constant basis. Whatever you have against RVers can be said even more about cyclists, is there anywhere that makes a cyclist take a test of any kind before getting behind the handlebars? You should be required to take all the same tests as a motorcyclist has to take before you can be on a public street, because I for one am tired of dodging all the idiots who cut across traffic without so much as signaling, look back over their shoulder and drift out in front of me, or my personal favorite riding no-hands along a narrow shoulder on a highway while sucking on a water bottle and wobbling all over the damned place. On May 26, 2:44 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <IlBeBa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In article > > <374cfe87-2d7a-400a-b9ce-f8d7d4619...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > Shad is a troll, ignore him and your life will improve > REPLY: My life cant get any better regardless of Shads MO I do apologize in advance for replying to such an obvious troll, (Mr Bauck) but I must say thus: If you were truly comfortable with your beliefs, you wouldn't be desperately trying to change everyone else's mind to justify your own fairy tail beliefs. Millie >I do apologize in advance for replying to such an obvious troll, (Mr >Bauck) but I must say thus: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Millie You don't understand. If you knew anything about Christianity you'd know that a Christian has the duty to spread the gospel. It's not a matter of being comfortable with beliefs. It's a matter of doing what the boss tells you to do. -- Eric Starnes >>I do apologize in advance for replying to such an obvious troll, (Mr >>Bauck) but I must say thus: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >-- >Eric Starnes That's not a concept unique to Christianity... That's how religious power grows, even if the religion is tree-hugging or carbon-reduction or vegetablearianism or.... Pete >>.. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Pete RV-ing??? <VBG> >>>.. >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >RV-ing??? <VBG> RVs are heresy and abominations to carbon-reductors! Pete >>>>.. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Pete > RVs are heresy and abominations to carbon-reductors! Absolutely! Unless they're small enough to tow with a Bicycle. <G> About this time of year the LLLs clog the roads of several states in their annual gettogethers of their Suicide Society. <VBG> > You don't understand. If you knew anything about Christianity you'd know > that a Christian has the duty to spread the gospel. To those seeking such. Your duty is NOT to shove it down peoples throats at all costs. >> You don't understand. If you knew anything about Christianity you'd know >> that a Christian has the duty to spread the gospel. > >To those seeking such. Your duty is NOT to shove it down peoples >throats at all costs. Umm, what do you think the Crusades were all about? Those Christian fanatics got the Muslims stirred up and they still haven't forgotten or forgiven. Pete. > Umm, what do you think the Crusades were all about? Those Christian > fanatics got the Muslims stirred up and they still haven't forgotten > or forgiven. The Crusades were strictly about Trade Routes and their control. Religion was the excuse given by the Priesthood for raising the funds, and troops, needed to wrest control of the Asian Trade away from those who had it. The Knights Templar - ostensibly formed to "protect" the Holy Places - were the inventors of Branch Banking. Their economic power became so great that a Pope had most of them killed in the hope of stealing their funds. <G> SignatureI used to be an anarchist but had to give it up: _far_ too many rules. >> Umm, what do you think the Crusades were all about? Those Christian >> fanatics got the Muslims stirred up and they still haven't forgotten [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >the inventors of Branch Banking. Their economic power became so great that >a Pope had most of them killed in the hope of stealing their funds. <G> Read "Extraordinary Human Events or The Madness of Crowds" by MacKay for some insight on human behavior and what tulips in the Netherlands in the 14th century have to do with 'Tickle Me Elmo'. Seriously! According to MacKay, the Crusades were in large part because the various civilian leaders, knights, dukes, etc., were starting to be a problem to the Pope and the church. He sent them off to deal with the Muslims on a win-win basis; if they took the territory (and trade routes) and slayed the infidels, the church was a winner OR if they were killed in the process, his local problems went away. He didn't look for the long-term unintended consequences. Pete >>> Umm, what do you think the Crusades were all about? Those Christian >>> fanatics got the Muslims stirred up and they still haven't forgotten [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Pete The Muslims controlled the Trade Routes and their leaders charged Europeans high prices for the spices and silks of Asia. The Europeans - especially the Popes - wanted the revenues and the power. Once a decision to wrest the revenues and power from the Muslims [mainly the Turks] was made, the rest was Rationalization and Propaganda. <G> Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait was, essentially, carried out for the same reason and, also, his attempted takeover of Iran and, there again, the Rationalization and Propaganda followed. <VBG> On another note, the reason that the French get along so well with the Muslims is that they share a basic mindset: Once upon a time each group was the pre-eminent World Power and, in their hearts, still think that they are in spite of Reality. This, along with their ingrained Anti-Semitism [the vast bulk of Muslims _are_ Semitic peoples who do their best to ignore that fact], provides them with a common set of beliefs. SignatureI used to be an anarchist but had to give it up: _far_ too many rules. >>> You don't understand. If you knew anything about Christianity you'd know >>> that a Christian has the duty to spread the gospel. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fanatics got the Muslims stirred up and they still haven't forgotten > or forgiven. Many religious fanatics of all faiths tend to shove their beliefs upon others all in the name of religion. The muslims did it before and after the crusades just like any other religions fanatics. The Ottoman Empire wasn't exactly nice! >> You don't understand. If you knew anything about Christianity you'd know >> that a Christian has the duty to spread the gospel. > > To those seeking such. Your duty is NOT to shove it down peoples throats > at all costs. I ain't never said nothing about shoving it down people's throats. Such a thing ain't possible anyhow on Usenet where, if you don't like somebody's post, you can ignore it or killfile it or all of them by some person. If you don't wanna be saved I couldn't care less. Those who don't wanna be saved are for the eternal hell fires and that's a good thing. Wouldn't want sinners and unbelievers spoiling heaven anyhow. Hell's the place that's prepared for you, dude! Hope you enjoy roasting forever. -- Eric Starnes On May 29, 10:52 am, "Eric Starnes" <eric_star...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> You don't understand. If you knew anything about Christianity you'd know > >> that a Christian has the duty to spread the gospel. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Eric Starnes F**kin' great! Another proselytizing religious wacko who thinks there's an afterlife Go roast some nuts, preferable your own Hal > I ain't never said nothing about shoving it down people's throats. > Such a thing ain't possible anyhow on Usenet where, if you don't like [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the place that's prepared for you, dude! Hope you enjoy roasting > forever. Now that you've said your piece, go back to alt.religious.fools and leave us alone. <dg> When you can _PROVE_ through archeological finding and/or official Roman/Judaic records that Jehoshua, son of Joseph ben David and his wife Mary, ever actually existed then you may have something to offer the world. That there is a widespread belief that the existing documents prove anything _other_ than the existance of a _belief_ that such an individual existed is just another example of the gullibility of the ignorant. The facts are that the Romans kept meticulous records but none have yet been found that substantiate the "gospels" of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. This, however, should not surprise anyone since they were written between 50 and 150 years _after_ the events that they claim to describe. <g> BWTH? This belief is a relatively recent thing: a belief that the Planet was shaped like a pancake has lasted many thousands of years longer than the one that _you_ profess. <G> BTW, you might want to do a bit of research on the beliefs concerning Mithras - who was a popular god during the early CE centuries among Legionaires - and compare them to those of The Gospels. <VBG> SignatureI used to be an anarchist but had to give it up: _far_ too many rules. Millie <mildredanntweedletwat@earthlink.net> wrote in news:cd69d595-c50f- 4e49-a3eb-411f6878a48a@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > If you were truly comfortable with your beliefs, you wouldn't be > desperately trying to change everyone else's mind to justify your own > fairy tail beliefs. That those who troll do so until they no longer get recognized is _not_ a matter of "belief" but of fact. Whether - or not - an announcement of their entry to a killfile is made is immaterial. Those who respond - even once - to a troll or even refer to a specific troll by the troll's name risk joining the troll in the bit-bucket. <dg> SignatureI used to be an anarchist but had to give it up: _far_ too many rules. > http://www.upperkeysreporter.com/articles/2008/05/16/news/news13.txt > > Yet another reason to hate RVers. > > Shad O'Shay This is truly sad. I have found that most bicyclist ignore all traffic rules and behave like they have a preordained right to the roadways. This situation is bad for the dead cyclist and for the driver of the RV who has to live with this. On another note, I think Harry Harris and Shad O'Shay are homosexual trolls who team up to SPAM this group. They behave like little queer boys. Oh Well, the world is full of them. >This is truly sad. I have found that most bicyclist ignore all traffic >rules and behave like they have a preordained right to the roadways. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Oh Well, the world is full of them. You are just now figuring this out? I think they are one in the same. A very lonely soul with little real life to live. Anonymity is his/their only fun. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Nobody on here really knows what happened to create the incident. We are reading what was printed somewhere. Most likely exagerated for effect. Either side could be correct. About a week ago, I was following a car that was following a farm tractor on a hilly road. Both of us was waiting for a safe place to pass. Altho there was a double yellow line (because an intersection was just ahead), the farmer held out his hand to turn left at the intersection. The driver ahead of me went to pass as the farmer started to turn. I hit my brakes in fear of a collision. Thankfully the farmer looked back as he turned and saw the car passing and aborted his turn. Altho the car slowed, it didn't stop and continued to pass. I could be wrong, but I am assuming the driver of the car didn't know what a left turn hand signal meant and thought the farmer was waving them by. It all ended well, but it scared me. I am sure if this were an accident, the report would have been much more graphic and would have reported it incorrectly. I would assume the driver of the car thought he was correct in his thoughts. Hank <~~~~~also thinks Christians are a pain in the a.s :-) |
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