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320ft/lbs of torque?

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Dexter J - 16 Jul 2004 02:06 GMT
Salutations:

As some of the regulars will remember, I've got a spare and perfectly
functional steel block 1989 9000T engine in great shape with fresh turbo
ready for the stand in the basement. I am wondering if anyone here would
have any leads on high torque SAAB engine attempts in the 320ft/lbs torque
around the @3500 RPM range?

This goes to my other front wheel drive tart - the '77 GMC 260 motorhome -
which uses a surprising low HP but high torque stock 403 olds engine to
make 185hp@3600 RPM and 320ft/lbs torque @2200 RPM.

I am finally setting in to drawing and planning the overhaul on our hoopy
70's super van, think I can bring it's curb weight well into the 8,500
pound range and I can't help but wonder if 320ft/lbs of torque in the 3500
RPM range isn't *all that far* to go in the good old long block SAAB
engine.. I can give it a 3x6ft intercooler and radiator in any thickness
up to 6 inches each.

Links, thoughts, considerations?

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Doki - 17 Jul 2004 01:05 GMT
> Salutations:
>
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>
> Links, thoughts, considerations?

343ci is 5.5 litres. To get that much torque out of 2 litres or so you'd be
running silly amounts of boost IMO. But I know naff all about turbos so I'm
sure someone who knows what figures to use will come along in a minute and
correct me. FWIW, SAAB get 258 lbft out of their 2.3 engine nowadays.
Henrik B. - 17 Jul 2004 01:46 GMT
> 343ci is 5.5 litres. To get that much torque out of 2 litres or so you'd be
> running silly amounts of boost IMO. But I know naff all about turbos so I'm
> sure someone who knows what figures to use will come along in a minute and
> correct me. FWIW, SAAB get 258 lbft out of their 2.3 engine nowadays.

It's no problems to get that out of the 2.3-liter engine. I'm doing a mild
upgrade of my '93 9000 2.3. And I'll get 300 lbft.

Cheers!
Dexter J - 17 Jul 2004 02:59 GMT
Salutations:

>> 343ci is 5.5 litres. To get that much torque out of 2 litres or so you'd
> be
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>
> Cheers!

I was reading just that regarding the AERO wagon - which is why I can't
help but think that extra 70ft/pds isn't too tall an order if I intend to
pull apart my '89 2.0 liter motor and rebuild anyway..

I am going to have to do the engine and final drive on the motor home as
part of her re-hab and current fashion with my GMC 260 crowd is to go big
(and I mean BIG) block crate motors (like 590 cubic inch Caddie motors)
and re-gear the differential to 321 ratios for big time performance (big
block GM engines get into an good power band around 2800-3000 rpm).

Now - I'm not all that interested in huge performance gains in my motor
home as I intend to shed about 2,000 pounds in weight and frankly - I
cruise happily all day long at 70mph on a stock 403 (6.6 liter) engine
currently making 185hp@3600 RPM and 320ft/lbs torque with the extra weight
and stock 255 ratio. That's plenty fast for me given everything I love is
sitting around the back with juice and lego when we're on the road.

Where the saab motor gets very interesting is on two fronts. One - you
aren't all that interested in huge acceleration in a motor home, however
you are very interested in mileage.. My 403 makes 13 miles to the gallon
at 60mph cruising (although you can get into the 8 miles to the gallon
range fast booting around town). Two - as I am looking at re-gearing the
differential anyway (it's a TH425 front wheel drive out of the
elderado/toronado) - I can pretty much pick any cruising RPM I want up to
about 3800 rpm (after that the transmission starts to heat up more than is
desirable).

My investigations thus far have it that the 89 steel long block 2.0 liter
engine is fairly easy to stroke up to 2.3 and it seems to be a generally
stronger block than the later castings. Moreover - given I have an amazing
amount of frontal area to cool everything down - I should be able to deal
with the excessive heat running the turbo and engine in that RPM range
will generate - with the upside that I can shave another 1,100 pds of big
block cast iron off the coach weight AND get into the 20 miles to the
gallon range on it.

Getting it to mate to the TH425 looks pretty easy - it's not entirely
unlike the old 900 automatic tranny set-up (save that TH425 uses pretty
much the same internals as the TH400 used in the Rolls Royce through the
60's)..

Sooo - the question remains - anyone have any links on high torque builds
and custom engine management programming talent for the 2.0 16 valve block?

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- Bob - - 17 Jul 2004 12:47 GMT
>Sooo - the question remains - anyone have any links on high torque builds
>and custom engine management programming talent for the 2.0 16 valve block?

I really hesitate to say it, but out on Saabnet there are some guys
who do serious performance mods to their c900 engines. 300hp is fairly
common out there, as are discussions of all the related issues.  Check
the performance board.
Craig's C900 Workshop - 25 Jul 2004 20:58 GMT
>>Sooo - the question remains - anyone have any links on high torque builds
>>and custom engine management programming talent for the 2.0 16 valve block?

>I really hesitate to say it, but out on Saabnet there are some guys
>who do serious performance mods to their c900 engines. 300hp is fairly
>common out there, as are discussions of all the related issues.  Check
>the performance board.

Are you talking turbo 16V engines here? Surely this isn't possible with the
older 8V engines (which my C900's all have)... My cars don't have turbo's so
that's a negative in terms of performance increases but it's a plus in terms
of improved reliability as there is less to break. 8-)

Craig.

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Holden Caulfield - 29 Jul 2004 01:46 GMT
> >>Sooo - the question remains - anyone have any links on high torque builds
> >>and custom engine management programming talent for the 2.0 16 valve block?
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>
> Craig.

There are performance mods for the 8v: camshafts, intake & exhaust kits,
etc. Not sure about the 8v but for the early 16v engines there is an
aftermarket fuel pressure regulator which supposedly adds 30hp by itself.
 
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