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Car Forum / Saab Cars / August 2004

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Octane rating effect on engine wear?

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Brent Riggs - 03 Aug 2004 02:09 GMT
The user's manual says the 9-5 will run just fine with lower octane
fuel, but also says it was designed to run on higher octane.  My 2001 V6
seems to run well on the lower octane.  But I was wondering about engine
wear--does the octane level affect it?  The dealer just had to replace
the turbo unit under warranty with 40,000 miles.
Dave Hinz - 03 Aug 2004 03:08 GMT
> The user's manual says the 9-5 will run just fine with lower octane
> fuel, but also says it was designed to run on higher octane.  My 2001 V6
> seems to run well on the lower octane.  But I was wondering about engine
> wear--does the octane level affect it?  The dealer just had to replace
> the turbo unit under warranty with 40,000 miles.

Nope, I can't see any way that lower octane fuel would have any effect
on turbocharger wear, either more or less.  Lower octane fuel will
allow the engine management system to make less boost for the
engine, that's about the only thing ocane effects.

Dave Hinz
Paul Halliday - 03 Aug 2004 09:40 GMT
>> The user's manual says the 9-5 will run just fine with lower octane
>> fuel, but also says it was designed to run on higher octane.  My 2001 V6
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> allow the engine management system to make less boost for the
> engine, that's about the only thing ocane effects.

The V6 is turbocharged? You learn something new every day!

Going back to the old days, SAAB's APC allowed their turbocharged engines to
use octane fuel low as 91 RON. SAAB's more modern engine management systems
will do exactly the same. The benefit of using a higher octane fuel (say 97
or 98 RON) with turbocharged engines is that higher boost is more reliable
and less prone to "knocking". Given that SAAB have used knock sensing
systems since 1982, there's no risk to your engine or turbocharger.

Certainly for the older turbocharged cars, it is wise to allow the car to
settle for as generous amount of time as you can when the car comes to rest.
The turbo can still be spinning at very high RPMs when you shut the engine
off. Many people with older turbos make up some kind of routine when coming
to rest, like putting up the windows, removing stereo head units, adjusting
hair/tie/whatever for between 30 and 60 seconds before switching the engine
off.

What does your handbook recommend you do?

I looked at an old 900 turbo once that the owner had to replace the turbo
within 6 months of owning and was selling it with around 4 months on the
turbo. It sounded like a helicopter taking off. I quickly realised that he
lived on a slope and booted the car off the line before it was warmed up and
drove it hard, switching it off before it had come to rest. I was not
surprised the charger was showing signs of failure.

Have a think about how you drive it.

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Grunff - 03 Aug 2004 09:45 GMT
> I looked at an old 900 turbo once that the owner had to replace the turbo
> within 6 months of owning and was selling it with around 4 months on the
> turbo. It sounded like a helicopter taking off. I quickly realised that he
> lived on a slope and booted the car off the line before it was warmed up and
> drove it hard, switching it off before it had come to rest. I was not
> surprised the charger was showing signs of failure.

Hehe - how to kill a turbo in 3 easy steps...

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Brent Riggs - 04 Aug 2004 06:47 GMT
>>>The user's manual says the 9-5 will run just fine with lower octane
>>>fuel, but also says it was designed to run on higher octane.  My 2001 V6
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> 1989 900 Turbo S
> http://saab.go.dyndns.org/

Oh, I used to be a hotrodder, but that was when I was a young single guy
with a brand new 440 cubic inch 4 barrel Dodge Charger R/T.  Now I'm an
old guy who likes to drive slow and hold up traffic on the freeway.
Maybe I don't drive it fast enough, but I don't see the manual
recommending anything I don't do, which is why I thought maybe the fuel
octane had killed it.  Anyway, it sounds like I don't need to switch
fuels.  Thanks for the input.  Maybe I'll buy a stereo head unit so I
can take that off while the turbo settles down.
Johannes H Andersen - 04 Aug 2004 15:25 GMT
> The user's manual says the 9-5 will run just fine with lower octane
> fuel, but also says it was designed to run on higher octane.  My 2001 V6
> seems to run well on the lower octane.  But I was wondering about engine
> wear--does the octane level affect it?  

If you go to the extreme end of low octane as in some countries, then such
fuel does the engine no good at all. By stretching the implication of this,
one can probably deduce that higher octane is better, especially if you
drive hard such that the anti-knock control mechanism becomes very active.

I find Shell Optimax very good for the engine. I think it runs smoother.
 
> The dealer just had to replace the turbo unit under warranty with
> 40,000 miles.

This is a very low mileage anyway. Probably not related to fuel type.
 
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