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Car Forum / Saab Cars / July 2004Strange thing...
...While sauntering down the boulevard in one of the more fashionable districts around town, I espied a 2004 Chevy Malibu whose owner had outfitted it with Saab badges and a Saab grille! He even went to the trouble to put the ignition switch between the seats! Moreover, he even had the audacity to put a "9-3" label on the boot. Some people are without scruples.... > ...While sauntering down the boulevard in one of the more fashionable > districts around town, I espied a 2004 Chevy Malibu whose owner had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Some people are without scruples.... Ha ha. Nice troll. Platform engineering allows a company to do the non-customer-noticed stuff once and do it well, and spend their money on things that the customer cares about to differentiate products. Do you really care if the struts on your Mercedes are the same as on a Dodge minivan? Or do you care about things like the navigation system and leather seats? So why do you care that the same platform is used on the Malibu as on the 9-3 (among others)? Do you really care if the struts on your > Mercedes are the same as on a Dodge minivan? Yes, but not so much as I would care if I had a C Class and people mistook it for a Neon. > So why do you care that the same platform is used on the Malibu as on the > 9-3 (among others)? Because I got embarassed when I point out an '04 to my friend (who knows nothing about Saabs) and he says, "What's that? A Malibu Classic?" Saab stopped making cars in '02. The name has since been kept alive by Opel, Chevy, and Subaru. > Yes, but not so much as I would care if I had a C Class and people > mistook it for a Neon. Does it really matter if someone else thinks you have a Neon? > Because I got embarassed when I point out an '04 to my friend (who knows > nothing about Saabs) and he says, "What's that? A Malibu Classic?" Why is that even remotely embarassing to you? I > Does it really matter if someone else thinks you have a Neon? Yeah. They are for single moms and computer geeks like you. > > Because I got embarassed when I point out an '04 to my friend (who knows > > nothing about Saabs) and he says, "What's that? A Malibu Classic?" > > Why is that even remotely embarassing to you? Because Chevrolet=White Trash. (someone else wrote, but H.C. neglected to include their name,) >> Does it really matter if someone else thinks you have a Neon? > > Yeah. They are for single moms and computer geeks like you. Overgeneralize much? >> Why is that even remotely embarassing to you? > > Because Chevrolet=White Trash. Riiiight. Um. Some of us buy these cars because we enjoy them for what they are, and are able to do that without badmouthing others and their vehicles. Apprently your motivations differ. > (someone else wrote, but H.C. neglected to include their name,) > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Overgeneralize much? No, just a keen observer. > > >> Why is that even remotely embarassing to you? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what they are, and are able to do that without badmouthing others and > their vehicles. Apprently your motivations differ. Some of us eat McDonald's... doesn't make the food any better. I woudln't be badmouthing Chevy were they not manufacturing Saabs. I can't wait to see this new Mexican-built "Saab" SUV. Quit trying to defend the indefensible. GM sucks. >> Overgeneralize much? > > No, just a keen observer. I've never seen someone confuse "keen observation" with "making incorrect blanket statements" before. >> >> Why is that even remotely embarassing to you? >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> what they are, and are able to do that without badmouthing others and >> their vehicles. Apprently your motivations differ. > Some of us eat McDonald's... doesn't make the food any better. Relevance being what? > I woudln't be badmouthing Chevy were they not manufacturing Saabs. They're not. Shared components do not equal "manufacturing". > I can't wait to see this new Mexican-built "Saab" SUV. Quit trying to > defend the indefensible. Apparently you have confused me saying "Wow, this guy is really acting like a prick", with me defending GM for some perceived fault you feel they have. > GM sucks. OK, so why don't you go buy a different brand of car then? Maybe something German? > >> Overgeneralize much? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I've known a lot of Neon owners, and they all fall into one of the mentioned categories. > >> >> Why is that even remotely embarassing to you? > >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Relevance being what? If I have to explain it you wouldn't understand. Shared components do not equal "manufacturing". The components aren't manufactured? > > I can't wait to see this new Mexican-built "Saab" SUV. Quit trying to > > defend the indefensible. > > GM sucks. > > OK, so why don't you go buy a different brand of car then? Maybe something > German? No thanks. I'm looking for a '91 SPG. BMWs are OK, but far too common, much like Chevrolets. >> I've never seen someone confuse "keen observation" with "making >> incorrect blanket statements" before. > > I've known a lot of Neon owners, and they all fall into one of the > mentioned categories. That's nice. >> Shared components do not equal "manufacturing". > > The components aren't manufactured? Saab has been using parts manufactured by others forever, "Holden". Bosch, Electrolux, GM, Ford, etc etc etc. Doesn't mean Bosch, or Electrolux, or GM, or Ford, manufactured the Saab _cars_, it means they made some _parts_. A car, you see, is built of _parts_, by the manufacturer. It's really very simple. So, what's your goal in participating here, exactly, "Holden"? > Saab has been using parts manufactured by others forever, "Holden". > Bosch, Electrolux, GM, Ford, etc etc etc. Doesn't mean Bosch, or > Electrolux, or GM, or Ford, manufactured the Saab _cars_, it means > they made some _parts_. A car, you see, is built of _parts_, by > the manufacturer. It's really very simple. Don't forget the Mitsubishi turbos. > So, what's your goal in participating here, exactly, "Holden"? To lament the fact that Saab no longer makes cars. It's more than shared parts. The thing *looks* like a Malibu. And there's no available hatchback; thus no stuffing sofas, bookcases, file cabinets, refrigerators, etc. in the back. Most unpractical for a descendent of a car (NG900) that epitomized practicality. The "Saabaru" is an insult to true fans of Swedish engineering. And the 9-5, in addition to bearing more than a slight resemblance to an Opel, looks nowhere near so stylish as the late-model 9k. In short, I just don't like phonies, and the new "Saab" models are, in the words of Del tha Funkee Homosapien, "FAKE AS F--K!" Dave, don't tell me you were actually such a sucker as to *buy* one of those overpriced Malibus? *hooohooohaaaaahhaaaaaawaaaahhooooooheeeheeee* >> Saab has been using parts manufactured by others forever, "Holden". >> Bosch, Electrolux, GM, Ford, etc etc etc. Doesn't mean Bosch, or >> Electrolux, or GM, or Ford, manufactured the Saab _cars_, it means >> they made some _parts_. > > Don't forget the Mitsubishi turbos. See? You _do_ get it. >> So, what's your goal in participating here, exactly, "Holden"? > > To lament the fact that Saab no longer makes cars. Oh, so you're a one-trick pony then, just here to rant about what you feel is true and a problem. > It's more than shared parts. The thing *looks* like a Malibu. And > there's no available hatchback; thus no stuffing sofas, bookcases, file > cabinets, refrigerators, etc. in the back. Maybe you haven't noticed, but Saab _always_ redesigns cars 1/2 at a time. 93 -> 96, back end. 96 to 96-5, front end. There will be a hatch. > Most unpractical for a > descendent of a car (NG900) that epitomized practicality. I'bve never seen "c900" misspelled that way, but OK > The "Saabaru" is an insult to true fans of Swedish engineering. And the > 9-5, in addition to bearing more than a slight resemblance to an Opel, > looks nowhere near so stylish as the late-model 9k. In your opinion. And you know what they say about those. > In short, I just don't like phonies, and the new "Saab" models are, in > the words of Del tha Funkee Homosapien, "FAKE AS F--K!" Well then, I guess we won't be blessed with your presence here much longer. What a shame. > Dave, don't tell me you were actually such a sucker as to *buy* one of > those overpriced Malibus? Nope, but I'm going to look at a 99 Turbo next week. > *hooohooohaaaaahhaaaaaawaaaahhooooooheeeheeee* My, what a complete waste of time you are. <plonk> > Platform engineering allows a company to do the non-customer-noticed stuff > once and do it well, and spend their money on things that the customer cares > about to differentiate products. Do you really care if the struts on your > Mercedes are the same as on a Dodge minivan? Yes, I do in fact... Or do you care about things > like the navigation system and leather seats? No, not really, I can find my way around on my own and leather seats are more work to maintain than they're worth (I have two cars with them right now) > So why do you care that the same platform is used on the Malibu as on the > 9-3 (among others)? Because it'd be cheaper to just go by a Malibu, if I buy a Saab (or other unique marque) I expect it to be unique and have some individual personality, that's what I'm paying the premium for. > ...While sauntering down the boulevard in one of the more fashionable > districts around town, I espied a 2004 Chevy Malibu whose owner had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Some people are without scruples.... A few years ago just a few days after Daimler acquired Chrysler. I saw a beat up Dodge Caravan fitted with a large MB emblem on the rear gate on my way to work. The emblem must have been taken from a Mercedes ML-320 SUV. Either his family or his friends must have convinced him to take it down later for that was the only time I saw it. |
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