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Car Forum / Saab Cars / August 2004

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Missing dump/bov valve? Or did it not have one originally?

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Mike P - 31 Jul 2004 16:51 GMT
My 1984  T16 doesn't appear to have any dump valve at all? Is this correct?
I thought I'd read somewhere that all 16 valve turbos
had them? My 1987 model did, but I've had all the pipes off and there is
nothing at all where the dump valve should be.
I presume it's easy enough to retro-fit one providing I get the rubber elbow
and a length of vac hose? Or does the older car have
some other mechanism that I'm not aware of already?

cheers
Mike
KeithG - 31 Jul 2004 17:45 GMT
in '84 T16s were new. It would not surprise me if it did not have a BOV.
You'll need the turbo inlet elbow, the BOV, the hose from the intake to
the BOV... You may or may not have a fitting on the throttle body for
the hose, though. Google on fitting a BOV to an 8V to see where they
pick this up. Otherwise, maybe pick up a later model throttle body.

Good luck,

KeithG

> My 1984  T16 doesn't appear to have any dump valve at all? Is this correct?
> I thought I'd read somewhere that all 16 valve turbos
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> cheers
> Mike
MeatballTurbo - 31 Jul 2004 19:37 GMT
> My 1984  T16 doesn't appear to have any dump valve at all? Is this correct?
> I thought I'd read somewhere that all 16 valve turbos
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> cheers
> Mike

Mine had had the hose that goes from the throttlebody to the dumpvalve
cut and capped off with a very large torx bolt. the Valve itself is
sandwiched between the boost pipe (from air meter to turbo) and the
thermostat housing. that had been left in on mine.

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Mike P - 31 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT
> > My 1984  T16 doesn't appear to have any dump valve at all? Is this correct?
> > I thought I'd read somewhere that all 16 valve turbos
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> sandwiched between the boost pipe (from air meter to turbo) and the
> thermostat housing. that had been left in on mine.

Thanks Carl. I replaced the DV on my the '87 car, so I know where it should
be, it just isn't there. I'm all nice and clean now so I'll have a root and
see if any pipes have been blocked/removed and if the outlet on the TB is
there..

Ta
Mike
Mike P - 31 Jul 2004 22:13 GMT
> > > My 1984  T16 doesn't appear to have any dump valve at all? Is this
> correct?
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> see if any pipes have been blocked/removed and if the outlet on the TB is
> there..

Had a quick look - there's defintely no valve, and no pipework or attachment
on the throttlebody either. Shame. Looks like
I'll have to get hold of a later one then and fit a standard bosch valve.

Mike
MeatballTurbo - 01 Aug 2004 19:55 GMT
> Had a quick look - there's defintely no valve, and no pipework or attachment
> on the throttlebody either. Shame. Looks like
> I'll have to get hold of a later one then and fit a standard bosch valve.

If the pipe is on at the throttle body (or capped like mine was) see
about getting the DV mounted stright to that. Get an Atmo one, make sure
it is double spring.

normally only 8v turbos came without valves, and they were Pre APC ones.
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Mike P - 01 Aug 2004 21:34 GMT
> > Had a quick look - there's defintely no valve, and no pipework or attachment
> > on the throttlebody either. Shame. Looks like
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> normally only 8v turbos came without valves, and they were Pre APC ones.

My 88 8V T didn't have one, and that was APC.. :-)
Mike
MeatballTurbo - 01 Aug 2004 22:36 GMT
> > > Had a quick look - there's defintely no valve, and no pipework or
> attachment
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> My 88 8V T didn't have one, and that was APC.. :-)
> Mike

Hmm, wonder if someone has fitted 8v parts to your 16v when they broke
something and bodged it back together, or when the original DV started
leaking?
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Mike P - 01 Aug 2004 22:43 GMT
> > > > Had a quick look - there's defintely no valve, and no pipework or
> > attachment
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> leaking?
> --

I've read on Saabcentral that the early ones didn't have DVs, and being an
A-reg 1983 this looks to be the case - there's no tell tale signs such
as a plugged vac hose outlet on the TB, no plugged inlet etc. It would seem
a lot of trouble to go and fit 8v parts instead of a new DV - manifold and
all wouldn't it? I've got a later model spare TB kicking about, and a DV
somewhere, so I'm just going to stick that one once it's got MOT on it.

On another point - are the old style APCs just as tweakable as the later
ones?

Mike
Henrik B. - 01 Aug 2004 23:24 GMT
> I've read on Saabcentral that the early ones didn't have DVs, and being an
> A-reg 1983 this looks to be the case - there's no tell tale signs such

If you have an '83 900, it's deffinately born as an 8-valve turbo. The
16-valve didn't come out 'till '84.

Cheers!
MeatballTurbo - 02 Aug 2004 15:39 GMT
> > I've read on Saabcentral that the early ones didn't have DVs, and being an
> > A-reg 1983 this looks to be the case - there's no tell tale signs such
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Cheers!

Yep, I thought my Sept 84 B plater was an early one
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MeatballTurbo - 02 Aug 2004 15:40 GMT
> I've read on Saabcentral that the early ones didn't have DVs, and being an
> A-reg 1983 this looks to be the case - there's no tell tale signs such
> as a plugged vac hose outlet on the TB, no plugged inlet etc. It would seem
> a lot of trouble to go and fit 8v parts instead of a new DV

Can you just confirm, is you rocker cover a narrow one with ribs, or a
wider one, with a central cover over the sparkplugs?
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Mike P - 02 Aug 2004 17:25 GMT
> > I've read on Saabcentral that the early ones didn't have DVs, and being an
> > A-reg 1983 this looks to be the case - there's no tell tale signs such
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> wider one, with a central cover over the sparkplugs?
> --

It's a big grey thing, that says 16 valve on it :-)  Having had a T8 and a
T16 in the past, I know the difference...

FWIW I was wrong, car first registered on 31st may 1984, as a 16 valve
turbo. It definitely has no dump valve.

Anyway - I can't be arsed with it. I've just spent an afternoon realising my
mechanicing days are over. Anyone want it for spares? It's got a recon
gearbox and turbo on it, 2 new front tyres etc etc.. give me what I paid for
it and take it away (?70). It's in Marlow, Bucks..

Mike
MeatballTurbo - 03 Aug 2004 09:00 GMT
> Anyway - I can't be arsed with it. I've just spent an afternoon realising my
> mechanicing days are over. Anyone want it for spares? It's got a recon
> gearbox and turbo on it, 2 new front tyres etc etc.. give me what I paid for
> it and take it away (£70). It's in Marlow, Bucks..

OK, if it is a 2 door 16v turbo saloon, get it through an MOT and you
are looking at a few hundred back minimum, at least MOT it and decide
what it needs. Then work out whether it is worth the money.

A 2 door 8v turbo with some dodgy patches of aerokit plastics, and signs
of a breakin with a very short MOT and no tax was up for sale for £1100
near me recently.

See if you find a post on here regarding the Vin decoder.

8v's over lapped the 16v's so it is possible to have a 2 door facelifted
8v turbo without dump valve, and then transplant the 16v engine in if
the 8v blew up.
the vin decoder will tell you whether it was originally an 8 or 16v.
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Mike P - 03 Aug 2004 19:02 GMT
In article <2n7878Fo2731U1@uni-berlin.de>, stickit@up-uranus.com says...
> Anyway - I can't be arsed with it. I've just spent an afternoon realising my
> mechanicing days are over. Anyone want it for spares? It's got a recon
> gearbox and turbo on it, 2 new front tyres etc etc.. give me what I paid for
> it and take it away (?70). It's in Marlow, Bucks..

OK, if it is a 2 door 16v turbo saloon, get it through an MOT and you
are looking at a few hundred back minimum, at least MOT it and decide
what it needs. Then work out whether it is worth the money.

A 2 door 8v turbo with some dodgy patches of aerokit plastics, and signs
of a breakin with a very short MOT and no tax was up for sale for ?1100
near me recently.

See if you find a post on here regarding the Vin decoder.

Thanks for the advice Carl. The VIN decoder at
http://www.secret-secret.com/turbo/DIY/vin.html#86on shows it to be what it
says on the tin. It's a 1984, Trollhattan made, 5 speed 16 Valve Turbo
intercooler 4 (four) door saloon.

I took it for an MOT today. It didn't pass, but it was not too bad.
Handbrake inoperative on one side, low effort on the other. Foglight
not working and a bald rear tyre.   Can I really be arsed to fix the
handbrake myself (I'm certainley not paying for it) and CAN I actually do it
without ballsing it up? If so, I'd get a tyre on it and keep it.   It's a
nicer drive than the 900S, for sure, due to the good 'box and turbo

How difficult is the handbrake? I suspect it needs at least one new cable.
No action on one side, low on other.

Thanks again, always appreciated :-)

Mike
MeatballTurbo - 03 Aug 2004 21:57 GMT
>  Can I really be arsed to fix the
> handbrake myself (I'm certainley not paying for it) and CAN I actually do it
> without ballsing it up? If so, I'd get a tyre on it and keep it.   It's a
> nicer drive than the 900S, for sure, due to the good 'box and turbo

Again, go for the google archives.
I asked here for my last MOT, and the resident Mastertech broke it down.

Best advice is new pads first.
I had a set of Ferodos that I bought from Halfords, but they aren't that
great, and Pagids from Parts for Saabs or German and Swedish are much
cheaper, google the URLs.

if you go for Parts for Saabs, they have the special tool on the site to
wind the pistons back in, much easier than the circlip pliers I had to
use.

take off wheel, turn disk till the notch is between pads, pull the old
pads (R clip and tap out the u-bar and lift off the pad cover).

Fit the outside pad, and if the inside one goes straight in easily,
remove and wind out the piston a touch. the inside one should be a
fairly tight and be tapped in.

Do both sides, then pump the pedal about 6 times, then click on the
handbrake about 4, then another 6 pumps, and 4 more clicks till it
locks. Don't worry about the amount of clicks. That can't fail it, and
the handle actually goes almost vertical.

You might need to do it for a few times before it works, sometimes
repeating upto 5 or six times.

What I tend to do is then disconnect one side, and with the handbrake on
try to push the car. Then swap sides over. If you can move it, no way it
will pass. If it rock solid out of gear on one side of the handbrake, it
should pass no bother. Mine did. just make sure to reconnect both sides
before the retest.

Mine never lasts long, especially the passenger side (on mine), but it
will pass the test.

Check the earth for the fog light, saloons had a rear earth point issue
and there is a known fix.

If the front tyres are good depth, get them swapped to the rear, and get
a decent pair for the front.

I did both sides in a couple of hours including swapping and bleeding a
leaky caliper, and I'm not the most mechanically adept. First time I
swapped a caliper took me 4 hours. Just remember to take the top of the
fluid for when you push back in.
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