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meld_b - 04 Sep 2004 14:11 GMT

This is actually sortof a Subaru question, but on my SAAB's for years
I've been reusing the copper washer when I do oil changes. I think that
SAAB recommends a new one every time right?

On the Subaru it's a crushable washer that starts at 0.080-0.083 and
ends up 0.058-0.061. Can anyone tell me of other options used for this
function and if they've moved the copper idea from SAAB elsewhere?

Thanks,
-meld

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Bob - 05 Sep 2004 14:04 GMT

>This is actually sortof a Subaru question, but on my SAAB's for years
>I've been reusing the copper washer when I do oil changes. I think that
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>ends up 0.058-0.061. Can anyone tell me of other options used for this
>function and if they've moved the copper idea from SAAB elsewhere?

I'm not sure what the question is, but you can buy the Saab washers
for about .74 cents each from the dealer. But, they never look
worn and it does seem like a waste to toss it.

I have some Nissans that use a crush washer and I changed them for
years without changing the washers. I kept looking at the plug
thinking "I should look into getting a new flat washer for that".
It wasn't until I bought them at the dealer that I realized they
were the crush variety. They never leaked even when reused many
times.

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Goran Larsson - 05 Sep 2004 14:27 GMT

> I'm not sure what the question is, but you can buy the Saab washers
> for about .74 cents each from the dealer. But, they never look
> worn and it does seem like a waste to toss it.

The copper washers can be reused if they are heated in a gas flame
until red hot and then quickly cooled in cold water. This process
makes the copper soft again. Reuse of the coppper washer as is not
recommended as the hard copper washer will not seal as well as a
soft copper washer.

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Bob - 07 Sep 2004 13:19 GMT

>> I'm not sure what the question is, but you can buy the Saab washers
>> for about .74 cents each from the dealer. But, they never look
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>recommended as the hard copper washer will not seal as well as a
>soft copper washer.

SO you're saying that the copper gets hardened through the heating
and cooling cycles of the engine running? I've always wondered about
these things... I thought we changed them due to scratching during
tightening. But, I was just guessing.

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Andrew Stephenson - 07 Sep 2004 15:06 GMT

> SO you're saying that the copper gets hardened through the
> heating and cooling cycles of the engine running? I've always
> wondered about these things... I thought we changed them due to
> scratching during tightening. But, I was just guessing.

Just in case this doesn't get said... Vibration and generalised
"working" (ie, mechanical flexing) of the copper will harden it.
Some of this will come from temperature cycling; but don't forget
how much vibration happens during everyday operation.

Work-hardening, I was once told, is why chains used for carrying
loads should be annealed (put through a softening heat treatment)
at intervals, to stop them getting too brittle.
--
Andrew Stephenson

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Bob - 08 Sep 2004 13:53 GMT

>> SO you're saying that the copper gets hardened through the
>> heating and cooling cycles of the engine running? I've always
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>loads should be annealed (put through a softening heat treatment)
>at intervals, to stop them getting too brittle.

Interesting. I knew you could harden copper this way but I never
thought of general vibration as being enough to do the job. Makes
sense through.

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