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Car Forum / Saab Cars / June 2008Green Diamond Tires
Hello good folks of this NG, Having been a Saab driver for most of my adult life (a 99EMS, two 9000s, a 900, two 9-5s, a 9-3 - and our family vehicles now include a 9-5SE, and a 9-3SE convertible)... I have a dilemma. We discovered the Green Diamond Tire three years ago and have been running them on our Saabs year-round. I was impressed with the tires to the point of making a career change and taking on responsibility for distribution in Colorado, the west, and North American retail internet sales. I have benefited from this NG over the years in seeking technical advice and service tips and owe a debt of gratitude to the regulars that are always willing to lend their considerable expertise. In learning how to best acquaint this NG group with the Green Diamond Tire, I have attempted to post directly to those threads which were/are discussing tires... pros/cons. On more than one occasion when major tire brands were being debated, or Costco or Tirerack pricing was being seemingly promoted, i attempted to introduce consideration of the Green Diamond Tire yet I have never had a post clear an apparent filter (human or otherwise) to make it into the thread. Other than potentially Spamming, am i doing something else wrong? Perhaps the larger question may be: is anyone else on this NG aware of the Green Diamond Tire? Any constructive comments or discussion? Is there an appropriate way for me to promote this product to Saab enthusiasts without getting flamed? Rich Gostenik Green Diamond Tire - West Green Diamond Tire / E-Commerce 303.808.7280 (mobile) Rich@GreenDiamondTire.com Is there an appropriate way for me to promote this product to Saab enthusiasts without getting flamed? Rich Gostenik Green Diamond Tire - West Green Diamond Tire / E-Commerce 303.808.7280 (mobile) Rich@GreenDiamondTire.com Hey Rich - Never heard of those tires but here's the Good News! I work for an advertising agency (Link goes here) and your question about ways to promote your business is exactly what we do - all the time. We'd be more than happy to work out an ad campaign for you!! Or, you may prefer to use a more local agency or even place ads locally yourself.. And if you think you have something web surfers would be interested in, you could always set up a website or something... or print your message on thousands of helium balloons and let them loose....the possibilities are almost endless Have fun and good luck with your new venture >> Is there an appropriate way for me to promote this product to Saab >> enthusiasts without >> getting flamed? > > Hey Rich - Never heard of those tires but here's the Good News! > I work for an advertising agency (Link goes here) > And if you > think you have something web surfers would be interested in, you could > always set up a website or something... ...and I've got webspace and design experience. And a good friend who is the Nokian importer for the midwest, but hey, whoever is paying the bills, y'know? Dave Hinz I accept the light sarcasm with a grain of salt... you folks are a tough crowd and fair enough. There is a Green Diamond Tire website ("Link goes here") and it is easy enough to locate via browser. It is undergoing revision and will be republished to the web in a few days. Yes- the tires are a remolded, remanufactured product that is made in Sweden (or some of our treads come from Quebec) but is that bad? I submit not... as they are environmentally responsible while providing a level of traction that exceeds the original tire specs. My intent is not to overtly promote this product here as I do understand/agree that this NG is not the appropriate forum. Also, I am pleased that the original msg at least posted as I was concerned that it had been filtered. If you have not heard of, or experienced the Green Diamond Tire attributes, please do not dismiss them out-of-hand. I will now leave this NG to the original precepts and topics and ask only to be allowed to introduce my product when appropriate in response to other 'tire' related posts. Sincere regards to all. Is there an appropriate way for me to promote this product to Saab enthusiasts without getting flamed? Rich Gostenik Green Diamond Tire - West Green Diamond Tire / E-Commerce 303.808.7280 (mobile) Rich@GreenDiamondTire.com Hey Rich - Never heard of those tires but here's the Good News! I work for an advertising agency (Link goes here) and your question about ways to promote your business is exactly what we do - all the time. We'd be more than happy to work out an ad campaign for you!! Or, you may prefer to use a more local agency or even place ads locally yourself.. And if you think you have something web surfers would be interested in, you could always set up a website or something... or print your message on thousands of helium balloons and let them loose....the possibilities are almost endless Have fun and good luck with your new venture > Hello good folks of this NG, [...] > Is there an > appropriate way for me to promote this product to Saab enthusiasts without > getting flamed? No there isn't. Promotion = Spamming. Products can only be discussed here in a fair and unbiased way, warts and all. And you forgot to mention the most essential and important point about Green Diamond Tires; they're remoulds! This may not be important for many applications, and it seems like Green Diamond has an advanced remolding technology. But the first choice is really between standard or remold tires. Only after that decision has been settled can you begin to think about different tire brands. > Hello good folks of this NG, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > taking on responsibility for distribution in Colorado, the west, and North > American retail internet sales. I got the MDV 205/15 for my 93 9000CSET, 165k mi. After about 10k mi no problems at all at all. Great price. A little loud at the beginning but ok now. I inflate to ~38lbs. to reduce the bounce a bit. www.greendiamondtire.com We purchased a set of Green Diamond tires for our Explorer last year. The first thing I noticed was that I lost 2 to 3 mpg (not a good thing at the current price of gas). The snow driving was excellent however after less than 10k miles one of the tires separated while driving 70mph on the interstate. While we were able to get stopped safely it did create quite a problem. Since GD has no real office or store front, and is handled by very few local tire dealers, it was impossible to get a single tire replaced. Being recaps I had no desire to replace the bad tire with another potentially bad GD tire. We ended up replacing all four with GoodYear tires and sending the 4 GD tires to the dump. Unfortunately the local rep said he would only refund the price of the single bad tire - pretty pour business practices. In another case a friend of mine hit something and damaged the sidewall of the GD tire. In this instance GD was unable to match the damaged tire and the customer was required to purchase an entire replacement set. While GD tires have excellent winter traction, these experiences indicate that the environmental impact of GD tires is anything BUT GREEN. Anybody can sell tires, but having virtually no customer service when there is a problem, along with the typical requirement of replacing all four tires when one goes bad, is certainly NOT Customer friendly or Eco-friendly by my standards. To me GD tires has a whole different meaning...G** D*** tires. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- REBUTTAL: Hello, All. Rich Gostenik here... owner of Green Diamond Tire - West and the person that personally sold and delivered the set of GDTs in question to this individual, BROADBAND. It is unfortunate that this person elected to post his 'experience' here as his account is quite misleading and largely inaccurate. I respond to this post only to offer the other side of this transaction for your consideration. 1) the loss of mileage was due to the mounting a set of tires that were a smaller diameter than his vehicle OEM requirement. As we did not have his OEM size in stock at the time, he elected (read... insisted) on the smaller diameter GDT... knowing full well that while there would be a torque/performance boost, that would come at the price of reduced mileage performance. His call... not mine. 2) the account of the tread seperation is a claim that I cannot and will not refute. GDTs carry a lifetime warranty against any/all defects whether original casing mfr or GDT-build. The damaged GDT was never shown to me yet would have been replaced at no cost and with no quibbling about cause/effect. Instead, the person penned a childish and profane email to the president of GDT-NA and did not even attempt to contact me... the local person that could have... and would have listened and remedied the situation. 3) the 'friend' to which this person refers is actually his brother... whom has driven on GDTs now for 3+ yrs. The stated sidewall blowout was caused by being forced into the median on a steep, icy, mountain descent in order to avoid a serious semi-truck / SUV accident. It is true that the sidewall blew out however it was due to striking a barrier inwhich the vehicle itself also suffered damage. His brother will attest that the GDTs possibly saved his life in this situation. 4) by purposely trashing the remaining GDTs, i did not have the opportunity to make any remedy for his inconvenience or expense... yet because of his childish and unyielding attitude, I elected to not 'suffer the fool' and chaulk this customer up to a lesson learned. In summary, I have never been inclined nor needed to offer a written rebuttal to a customer's experience with GDTs. Had he chosen to handle the situation in a mature and open manner, my level of customer service would have been considerably more generous. However, he chose to blindside the situation without the opportunity for review or remedy... instead making only audacious claims and attempting to denegrate the GDT product and company. I ask all those that may review this post and the original post to consider the source. You are encouraged to contact me at any time to discuss this situation... and of course, the GDT product. Kind regards, Rich Gostenik Owner / Green Diamond Tire - West 866.380.0009 (toll-free) 303.770.5295 (local) 303.808.7280 (mobile) >We purchased a set of Green Diamond tires for our Explorer last year. The >first thing I noticed was that I lost 2 to 3 mpg (not a good thing at the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >bad, is certainly NOT Customer friendly or Eco-friendly by my standards. >To me GD tires has a whole different meaning...G** D*** tires. Thanks to all who replied directly to me via email. I knew that there had to be other Saab owners out there that felt as I do. Your experiences with Green Diamond Tires and your encouraging words were... well, encouraging. Again, much appreciated. <snip> |
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