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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 2004

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Toasted Brakes?

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meld_b - 04 Sep 2004 14:03 GMT
My 1998 900S developed a smell last time I drove it and I traced it to
the back wheel that was VERY hot. Is this a common failure mode of the
brakes? Can anyone explain that. I was expecting a grinding or squealing
 when they failed.

Thanks,

-meld
Johannes H Andersen - 04 Sep 2004 14:15 GMT
> My 1998 900S developed a smell last time I drove it and I traced it to
> the back wheel that was VERY hot. Is this a common failure mode of the
> brakes? Can anyone explain that. I was expecting a grinding or squealing
>   when they failed.
>
> Thanks,

My previous car, a FIAT Croma once had sticking brakes. At first I thought the
car was sluggish and the engine needed servicing, but the lack of power varied.
One evening it was very slow, so I stopped the car to have a look. To my
surprise, the rear discs were glowing red in the early evening twilight.
Andrew Stephenson - 04 Sep 2004 17:43 GMT
> My previous car, a FIAT Croma once had sticking brakes. At
> first I thought the car was sluggish and the engine needed
> servicing, but the lack of power varied.  One evening it was
> very slow, so I stopped the car to have a look. To my surprise,
> the rear discs were glowing red in the early evening twilight.

A little OT but analogous...  Towards the end of a TV documentary
series (Channel 4?) about the development of IIRC the Boeing 777,
we were shown one of the approval tests, of the plane's brakes.

A 777 was loaded then driven as for normal takeoff.  At the point
where flight would have begun, they cut the engines and jammed on
the brakes.  To pass, the plane had to come to a halt unaided and
safely, then not catch fire for some quite long period, to allow
for when emergency support could not reach it before passengers
had disembarked.

The brakes were visibly a _bright_ yellow, even in daylight.
--
Andrew Stephenson
Everett M. Greene - 05 Sep 2004 17:38 GMT
> > My previous car, a FIAT Croma once had sticking brakes. At
> > first I thought the car was sluggish and the engine needed
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>
> The brakes were visibly a _bright_ yellow, even in daylight.

Transport category aircraft play in a league of their own.
They can't try another takeoff either until the brakes
cool enough to do the above again.

Does anyone know if there is any kind of performance standard
for automotive brakes?
Jonbouy - 05 Sep 2004 10:48 GMT
If your handbrake is over adjusted you'll have the handbrake shoes in
contact with the disc/drum which will overheat. This can also be caused by
driving with the handbrake still engaged by even one notch. If this
overheating is constant you need to loosen off the handbrake cable, strip
down the rear brakes and inspect for damage. Serious overheating will
cause metal to take on a blue tinge. Replace any suspect parts, rebuild
the brakes, change your brake fluid and set the handbrake to 5 clicks for
full lock.
Johannes H Andersen - 05 Sep 2004 12:27 GMT
> If your handbrake is over adjusted you'll have the handbrake shoes in
> contact with the disc/drum which will overheat. This can also be caused by
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> the brakes, change your brake fluid and set the handbrake to 5 clicks for
> full lock.

The handbrake wasn't really the problem with my previous car. You can usually
spot when the handbrake isn't released when rolling the car in neutral (manual
box), the car should continue for quite a while under its own momentum. The
sticking problem I had was very intermittent, hence it mimicked a temporary
reduction of engine power.
 
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