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9000CSET, death of a clutch

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Dan RatherNot - 22 Sep 2004 01:33 GMT
On the way home my clutch died. I shifted into 1st and the clutch pedal
didn't return. I had a 88 9000S that did the same. What a sinking feeling
(literally). D?j? vu all over again. Fortunately I was able to pull over and
park. Since I couldn't get it out of gear I had to stall the engine. I was
able to pull up the pedal with my hand and got enough pressure to crawl home
in 2nd. My mechanic told me to replace it last year but cheap me had to
squeeze every last mile out of it (165,106 to be exact). Last year it was
$800. USD; this year it's $1100. So much for economy. If your clutch has
over 125k mi. and it's grabbing a bit high it's time to think about a
preemptive strike. In the 9000 you get very little notice of impending
failure. And let me take this opportunity to recommend Roland, Swedish Saab,
904 Pacific St, Brooklyn. 718 622-3838. Scrupulously honest, very
knowledgeable and highly competent. Clearly not part of the Bush
administration.

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GWB hid behind his mamma's skirt and his daddy's clout while Kerry had the
guts to put his life on the line then had the guts to challenge American
butchery in Vietnam. Now big brave Dubya sends out his hired professional
character assassins to slander Kerry who agree or disagree with him, had the
guts to stand up for what he believed. Dubya would sh.t his pants if he ever
had to do his own fighting. The only conviction Dubya has is:
"what's good for Halliburton is good for Cheney and that's good enough for
me".

ma_twain - 22 Sep 2004 03:05 GMT
> On the way home my clutch died. I shifted into 1st and the clutch pedal
> didn't return. I had a 88 9000S that did the same. What a sinking feeling
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> knowledgeable and highly competent. Clearly not part of the Bush
> administration.

Let's keep this auto group free from political topics.  It has ruined
other groups. Thank you.
Zweef? - 22 Sep 2004 10:31 GMT
> Let's keep this auto group free from political topics.  It has ruined
> other groups. Thank you.

Please let's not get too paranoid about what was clearly meant humorous,
although you're quite right about that ruining part.
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Dave Hinz - 22 Sep 2004 15:17 GMT
>> Let's keep this auto group free from political topics.  It has ruined
>> other groups. Thank you.
>>
> Please let's not get too paranoid about what was clearly meant humorous,
> although you're quite right about that ruining part.

Humorous maybe, but it's always distracting at best.  It's also
disillusioning when you find out that someone who seems otherwise
rational has disturbingly different and unexplainable political views.
MH - 22 Sep 2004 18:43 GMT
> > Please let's not get too paranoid about what was clearly meant humorous,

> It's also disillusioning when you find out that someone
> who seems otherwise rational has disturbingly different
> and unexplainable political views.

I happen to agree with the 'humorous' OP.
That means I disagree with you (Dave).

sigh...

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Dave Hinz - 22 Sep 2004 19:48 GMT
>> > Please let's not get too paranoid about what was clearly meant humorous,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I happen to agree with the 'humorous' OP.
> That means I disagree with you (Dave).

I didn't say it wasn't funny...
Dan RatherNot - 22 Sep 2004 19:03 GMT
> >> Let's keep this auto group free from political topics.  It has ruined
> >> other groups. Thank you.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> disillusioning when you find out that someone who seems otherwise
> rational has disturbingly different and unexplainable political views.

Different from whom? The Fox "News" Party line? Unexplainable? OK, I'll
explain it to you. Bush squandered $150B chasing ghosts in Iraq, waging a
vendeta war and seeing to it that his cronies make a killing on the killing.
We were led into a murderous war by a pack of lies crafted by a pack of
liers. It was bungled from the start. Inadequate troops, a fantasy land view
of possible scenarios, a complete ignorance of the culture. Most shocking to
me - they didn't support the troops (waving the flag doesn't count). Family
members had to raise money for armoured vests and armour plating for the
HumVee death traps!  Once the global beacon of freedom, under Bush America
has become a belligerent, warmongering, incipient police state. Now do you
get it?

U.S. News/Comment
Is Bush Hitler?
By Commentary
Mar 16, 2004, 09:07

March 16, 2004-I realize I am a few months behind the curve of
comparing Bush to Hitler, but there is one aspect of the comparison
that I don't think has been plumbed to its proper depth. No, I am not
talking about the vicious attacks against dissent, the dubious means
used to seize power, or the callous disregard for civil rights. Those
have been given their due. Instead, now that Bush is describing
himself as a "war president," I think it is appropriate to size up
Bush as he compares to the Furher as commander in chief, because both
serve as good examples of what happens when you hand the world's best
military to a petulant egomaniac.

It is popular among anti-semites and faux intellectuals to describe
Hitler as a military genius. I take issue with that characterization
because while Hitler's Germany did achieve some initial military
success, in my estimation those successes are more accurately
attributed to German engineering, rather than the tactical brilliance
of its political and military leadership. When you have the best
pitchers and the best hitters in the league, winning the pennant
doesn't necessarily make the manager a genius.

Hitler's biggest blunder was, of course, invading Russia. Intoxicated,
perhaps, by the success of the German military machine against
technologically inferior foes in Poland and France, Hitler decided to
open up the eastern front. The war with England wasn't yet won, but
Hitler's hubris was sufficient that he went against the advice of his
generals. In a very similar manner, Bush ignored the advice of scores
of military and civilian planners to attack Iraq, when the war against
al Qaeda was not quite over.

Even if one believes the Bush administration's propaganda, and feels
that Iraq was a sufficient threat that it was only a matter of time
before Saddam needed to be removed from power by force, it doesn't
take a genius to see that the timing of the war was misguided. Last
week's serial bombings in Spain, coming nine hundred and eleven days
after the September 11 attacks, were almost certainly organized and
executed by al Qaeda, and stand as a testament to the terrorist
group's ongoing capability to inflict mass murder in western
democracies at a time and place of their choosing.

Unfortunately, this did not have to be the case. While mistakes were
made in the conduct of operations Afghanistan, (the use of surrogates
at Tora Bora springs to mind), the fact is that the United States and
coalition partners were mostly successful in putting al Qaeda on the
defensive. This balance began to change when the military and
intelligence resources devoted to Afghanistan were redirected towards
Iraq in the winter and spring of 2004. While the initial attack in
Iraq proceeded with stunning speed, in the aftermath, the United
States found itself bogged down as an occupying force at an enormous
cost in both men and materials. Al Qaeda was able to regroup and
retrench, and the results are now evident in the blood of Spanish
citizens.

In a similar manner, Hitler's initial attack on Russia proceeded with
stunning efficiency. After crossing the Russian border in June of
1941, the German war machine quickly gobbled up huge portions of
Russian real estate. But when winter set in, the Germans found
themselves mired in a quagmire. In the meantime, German resources had
been diverted away from England, which enabled the English to develop
radar systems that provided the early warning capability that was
crucial to countering German attacks, both in the air and by U boats
in the North Atlantic.

Incoming Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Zapatero has it exactly
right. Right wing reactionaries who dominate the media in the United
States called his election just after the attacks in Madrid an
"appeasement" of al Qaeda, because he has promised to remove Spanish
forces from Iraq during the campaign. However, Spanish forces have
served continuously in Afghanistan, and while some of the
aforementioned right wing reactionaries have inaccurately claimed that
Zapatero has plans to remove them, he has made no such statement.

Quite the contrary, in his first public address after the election,
Zapatero told his fellow Spaniards "My top priority is fighting all
forms of terrorism. My first initiative will be seeking the political
support to focus all our resources in this direction.'' In light of
the bloody attacks last week, I have every expectation that Zapatero
has no intention of appeasing al Qaeda, and will continue to use, if
not expand, the Spanish forces pursuing al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

I rather doubt that Baghdad will prove to be the United State's
Stalingrad. At the same time, it might prove to be Bush's. If at some
point between now and next fall's elections al Qaeda mounts an attack
in the United States as bloody as that in Madrid, one can hope that
the voting public will finally see that Bush's war in Iraq was a
misguided diversion towards an enemy with little ability to attack the
United States, and away from a dangerous foe with the demonstrated
capability to do exactly that.
Dave Hinz - 22 Sep 2004 19:57 GMT
>> Humorous maybe, but it's always distracting at best.  It's also
>> disillusioning when you find out that someone who seems otherwise
>> rational has disturbingly different and unexplainable political views.
>
> Different from whom? The Fox "News" Party line? Unexplainable? OK, I'll
> explain it to you. Bush

(snip)

I didn't say who I was disagreeing with, nor what my point of view is.
I was speaking in a general case - in a group of diverse people, there
will be diverse opinions on various matters.  I'm not saying "I disagree
with whoever said whatever" in a specific case, I'm agreeing that it's
something I'm also going to choose to avoid in this group.

> Is Bush Hitler?

Godwin invoked.  I'm done with this thread.
Zweef? - 22 Sep 2004 22:45 GMT
> OK, I'll explain it to you. Bush........

Dan, i'd rather not......
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ma_twain - 23 Sep 2004 01:57 GMT
This is about Saabs, not politics. Any bashing done in this group is
limited to GM :-)

>>>>Let's keep this auto group free from political topics.  It has ruined
>>>>other groups. Thank you.
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> United States, and away from a dangerous foe with the demonstrated
> capability to do exactly that.
tim - 23 Sep 2004 11:53 GMT
By your first statment "Let's keep this auto group free from political
topics.  It has ruined
other groups.", You started just what you were trying to advoid.
Dave Hinz - 23 Sep 2004 15:44 GMT
> By your first statment "Let's keep this auto group free from political
> topics.  It has ruined
> other groups.", You started just what you were trying to advoid.

I don't agree with your statement, and I agree with his.
ma_twain - 23 Sep 2004 23:27 GMT
>>By your first statment "Let's keep this auto group free from political
>>topics.  It has ruined
>>other groups.", You started just what you were trying to advoid.
>
> I don't agree with your statement, and I agree with his.

He just might be right.  If no one even responded in any form, it might
have died due to lack of interest.

However, I fear for this group with the way GM is killing the Saab
brand.  Or this group may survive as the "Classic Saab Group". We are
seeing the "Saaburus" and an SUV rebadged as a Saab.  Saab may exist in
name only soon.
MeatballTurbo - 27 Sep 2004 16:12 GMT
> However, I fear for this group with the way GM is killing the Saab
> brand.  Or this group may survive as the "Classic Saab Group". We are
> seeing the "Saaburus" and an SUV rebadged as a Saab.  Saab may exist in
> name only soon.

Have you noticed that of all the people that post here, even recent
arrivals, there at C900, NG900, 9K of all models, C9-3, 9-3 Cabrio and
SS, but I've yet to hear from a 9-2x owner post here.

Sure, a few regs have test driven them while their cars where in for
service etc, but noboby has actually bought one on here.

Wonder how many they have actually sold in the US?
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