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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 2004

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Paul BJ - 23 Sep 2004 21:42 GMT
I (foolishly) bought a 1992 9000 CS Carlsson the other week (foolishly 'cos
it looks like a I bought a bit of a dog....serves me right for being in too
much of a hurry and going car hunting with a massive hangover).

The car has a rear badge and an insert on the steering wheel that says
Carlsson however I am not sure that it is a Carlsson as it doesn't have
anything else that suggests that it is (the all-round air dam/body skirt,
the lower stiffer suspension); if anyone out there knows how to tell from a
VIN number (YS3CD65M3N1036906 ), I would be interested to know.

However more important stuff:
when I bought the car a section ofdrilled copper tube had been inserted into
one of the rubber tubes between the turbo and the valve by the radiator.
This I was told by someone on this group, that this was a nasty mod so I
have reversed it. The problem now is that there is a total lack of
performance. I am being out-accelerated by old men on bicycles. I have
checked the actuator rod; it is in place and appears to be reasonably
sensibly adjusted (about 10mm of screw thread showing). The turbo is
definately working as it was blowing off the scale when the "modification"
was in place. Any suggestions as to where to start looking for the
problem....someone has suggested the electronic throttle (it has traction
control) might be faulty....any comments on that.

I still have my old 1991 9000S 2.3 FPT which appears to have the same turbo
type (the Garrett). It has just about everything wrong with it except the
engine and gearbox both of which are just fine. It is going to the
scrap-yard anyway so I was wondering whether anyone can tell me if there are
are any significant differences between the 91 9000S 2.3 and the 92 CS 9000
2.3....can I just drop it in? (having transferred the electromnic throttle
over)

Could I do away with the elecronic throttle and use the throttle body from
the old one? (OK I would lose the traction control but I have never had it
before so I wouldn't miss it that much).

Neither the milometer nor the trip counter work....they actually record
about 1 mile per 100 miles driven any one know what this is likely to be?

TIA

Paul BJ
MeatballTurbo - 24 Sep 2004 14:17 GMT
>  I have
> checked the actuator rod; it is in place and appears to be reasonably
> sensibly adjusted (about 10mm of screw thread showing).

The actuator rod needs to stretch about 3mm when you attach it to the
wastegate on the turbo. that preloads it and stops it from being open
too early.

If you take it off (remove the clips and slip it off the turbo it should
move a little shorter as the diaphram pulls it back). Diaphrams do
weaken with time, so it may need adjusting. I was lucky on my 900, once
the locknut was open, it adjusted quite easily.

hold the rod and hold it against where it should slip onto the stud on
the turbo. It should be about 3mm too short until you gently pull it
toward (may take some force but a smooth pull not a sharp jerk) the stud
and it slips over. If it fits easily without pulling, the wastegate has
be altered, and needs the rod adjusting shorter.
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hippo - 26 Sep 2004 10:19 GMT
Does the speedo work though? Both my C900s did this and a speedo o/haul
fixed it. From memory there's a worm drive or a cog to the odo that dies
with old age. In the meantime your fuel figures will be crap but you'll
have really low mileage! Regards
Johannes H Andersen - 26 Sep 2004 12:51 GMT
> I (foolishly) bought a 1992 9000 CS Carlsson the other week (foolishly 'cos
> it looks like a I bought a bit of a dog....serves me right for being in too
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the lower stiffer suspension); if anyone out there knows how to tell from a
> VIN number (YS3CD65M3N1036906 ), I would be interested to know.

What is the max of the speedometer? On my 1993 9000 LPT, the speedometer only
goes up to 140 mph, I would imagine a Carlsson would be faster than that.
Johannes H Andersen - 26 Sep 2004 17:32 GMT
> I (foolishly) bought a 1992 9000 CS Carlsson the other week (foolishly 'cos
> it looks like a I bought a bit of a dog....serves me right for being in too
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the lower stiffer suspension); if anyone out there knows how to tell from a
> VIN number (YS3CD65M3N1036906 ), I would be interested to know.

The VIN decoder, if correct, suggests a 200 bhp B234 engine.

http://www.saab9000.com/information/vin.php?vin=YS3CD65M3N1036906

A 1992 Carlsson should have 220 bhp.

http://www.ashill.org/saab/brochures/
Paul Halliday - 26 Sep 2004 17:54 GMT
in article 4156EF52.6DA708D1@ezouvwnmzusxsizefitterzxursaxzoe.com, Johannes
H Andersen at johs@ezouvwnmzusxsizefitterzxursaxzoe.com wrote on 26/09/2004
17:32:

>> I (foolishly) bought a 1992 9000 CS Carlsson the other week (foolishly 'cos
>> it looks like a I bought a bit of a dog....serves me right for being in too
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> http://www.ashill.org/saab/brochures/

That said, the Carlsson was the red box edition APC IIRC. The "standard" APC
box can be tweated to the same specification as the red box.

Paul
 
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