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Car Forum / Saab Cars / January 2005

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1995 Saab 9000 CDE - buy or not to buy

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scarter@spaar.com - 26 Jan 2005 15:07 GMT
Hi,

I am interested in buying a 95 9000 CDE I found, but a trusted mechanic
says that I should run from it...that the engine is garbage.  Yet, it
seems many people like this car.  It's got 100,000 miles on it, and is
only $3,750
Can somone tell me what they think?

Thanks so much!
scarter
Nasty Bob - 26 Jan 2005 20:08 GMT
I think you should buy it. 100,000 miles is nothing with a full service
history.

> Hi,
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> scarter
Oscar Johnson - 26 Jan 2005 21:51 GMT
If this is the V-6, yes, run from it, if it is the four cylinder it is a
very good engine, one of the Best Produced,  I have two 9000 CD Turbos.

Oscar  
ebee1 - 27 Jan 2005 11:44 GMT
I have a 1995 CDE with the V-6 that currently has over 160,000 miles
on it.  My only admonition would be that since this V-6 is an
interference engine, the regular changing of the timing belt is an
absolute must if you don't want major problems with a belt breakage.
If the rest of the car is in good shape, the price sound pretty good
to me.

>If this is the V-6, yes, run from it, if it is the four cylinder it is a
>very good engine, one of the Best Produced,  I have two 9000 CD Turbos.
>
>Oscar  
Pooh Bear - 27 Jan 2005 01:58 GMT
> Hi,
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> Thanks so much!
> scarter

No Saab engine should be garbage after a mere 100,000 mi ! This suggests a
professional inspection is in order.

Any Saab with dealer maintenance should have a near perfect engine at this
mileage.

My own 9000 has not had the benefit of full dealer maintenace for the last
couple of yrs but the engine is still sweet as a nut. First car I've ever
owned that burns *no* oil. Even with 160,000 mi on it.

Use of full synthetic lubricant plays a large part in this. Don't use
'regular' oil *ever* !

Graham
The Malt Hound - 27 Jan 2005 14:43 GMT
> Hi,
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> scarter

Did the mechainic actually look at the car before he came to that
conclusion?  Or was this his (misguided) opinion of SAAB 4 cylinder
engines?

The SAAB 4 cylinder turbo engine is one of the best designs in
automotive history.  It is among the most reliable and has incredible
longevity.  If your "trusted mechanic" thinks otherwise, he doesn't
know anything and it is he you should be running away from...

-Fred W
th - 27 Jan 2005 22:31 GMT
>>Hi,
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> longevity.  If your "trusted mechanic" thinks otherwise, he doesn't
> know anything and it is he you should be running away from...

This is probably true for the engines in the C900/9000/early 9-3 models
(B201/B202/B204/B234). I have had three of them with more than 200000
problem-free km each. However the new 4-cyl engines in the 9-5/late 9-3
(B205/B235) have problems with crankcase ventilation leading to early
oil wear out and corresponding early cam shaft chain wear out if you
don't change change oil frequently enough. They also have a problem with
excessive balance shaft chain wear out in combination with automatic
transmissions. The balance shaft chain problems were also noticeable on
the B234 although there I'm not sure about the relation with the
transmission. I think there was a version of the B204 engine with
balance shafts as well, but I've not heard anything about problems with
that version.

As the engines are not really designed for changing the chains the
repair is quite costly compared to service on engines with timing belts
that require regular changes.

Then you could always argue whether the DI cassette is part of the
engine or if it is considered as a part with limited life time?!?

Probably the B205/B235 can also become very reliable if Saab gets the
time and resources to fix the problems. However I doubt that this will
be case as the model life times are getting shorter and shorter. If you
read Saab plans the 9-5 will be replaced by a new model in 2007 or 2008
after just 10 years on the market. As a consumer I would like a reliable
car that runs at low cost without problems and not a car with a lot of
new and fancy functions that have not been proven in real life. 10 years
market time is too short for all design problems being discovered and
corrected. To a great extent the motor press journalists are to blame
here as they require new models every now and then and for instance
already now thinks that the 9-5 is an old and out-of-date model.

A very good example here is the Volvo 240 series, a very reliable car
that can last forever with low repair costs. It had long enough market
time to have the early model problems at the end of the production. Boring?

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salamisaabi - 29 Jan 2005 02:11 GMT
chances are its a six cylinder.  if its running good now make sure to
change oil regularly and MAKE SURE to change the timing belt if you are
unsure of its last replacement. the 4 cylinder enginges have a chain
and not a belt.
PAPAGENE4JACK - 30 Jan 2005 00:02 GMT
Dear Scarter, I purchasded a 1992 saab conv new in 93 as my dream car.  It
has been nothing but headaches.  Unless your have money coming out your
rear end or you are a back yard saab wannabe mechanic like some of the
gurus in this room ,listen to your mechanic and thank god he is honest.
The only reason
i keep the car is the top goes down and I have so much money invested in
it I cant get even near what I need just to break even.  best regards
papa
 
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