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Car Forum / Saab Cars / January 2005Saab owners: A question of Politics?
For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read and reply to this post. If it's not within the bounds of good taste for this forum, I'll take it somewhere else. I don't care what your answers are, just as long as it's not made into a bashfest. I may not be popular for this one, but I have a question. I'm a pretty staunch republican, and I love SAAB's. Unfortunately, a lot of my conservative brethren tend to think of me as a turncoat due to the fact that I choose to drive a swedish car. (IE - Talk radio's Neal Boortz, or Glenn Beck). So.. now I'm curious. How does the political views of the average SAAB owner lean? Right or Left? Feel free to weigh in. I'm looking for one of the following answers, and nothing more: On a scale of 1-100 (1 being most liberal, 100 being most conservative) = (Me, I'm an 75-80) Or one of these descriptions Extremely Liberal Liberal Somewhat Liberal (Lean toward the left) Middle of the road Somewhat Conservative (Lean toward the right) Conservative <--- Me Extremely Conservative > For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read and > reply to this post. If it's not within the bounds of good taste for this > forum, I'll take it somewhere else. I don't care what your answers are, > just as long as it's not made into a bashfest. This is one of the few, precious places in the world that remains largely apolitical, and if I had my way, it would stay so. And so while I would otherwise be happy to respond to your query, I will refrain. John > This is one of the few, precious places in the world that remains largely > apolitical, and if I had my way, it would stay so. And so while I would > otherwise be happy to respond to your query, I will refrain. I'm with John. It's always disillusioning to find that someone who you feel is otherwise intelligent and rational has vastly different political views than you do - especially when they seem to fly in the face of anything resembling logic. Not gonna do it; wouldn't be prudent...at this juncture... > > This is one of the few, precious places in the world that remains largely > > apolitical, and if I had my way, it would stay so. And so while I would [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the face of anything resembling logic. Not gonna do it; wouldn't > be prudent...at this juncture... Agreed. It also reminds me of those 'scientific' surveys that will try to attach significance to the choice of car colour. There is often little to choose from, depending on availability and model MY changes. Especially if you're buying second hand. The cars that I've owned have been beige, blue, black, yellow, light blue, red and green. Where is the pattern in this? > I'm with John. It's always disillusioning to find that someone who > you feel is otherwise intelligent and rational has vastly different > political views than you do - Yes, either that or they decide to buy a BWM (or whatever it was) Also, it seems a purely USA centered issue. -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '87 900T8 http://go.to/saab96 >>I'm with John. It's always disillusioning to find that someone who >>you feel is otherwise intelligent and rational has vastly different >>political views than you do - > > Yes, either that or they decide to buy a BWM (or whatever it was) Is that directed at anyone in particular? ;-)  SignatureGrunff >>>I'm with John. It's always disillusioning to find that someone who >>>you feel is otherwise intelligent and rational has vastly different [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is that directed at anyone in particular? ;-) Pretty sure it was, yes. > Pretty sure it was, yes. I see. Does everyone else feel the same? SignatureGrunff >I see. Does everyone else feel the same? Nah... BWM is probably one of those little known Welsh manufacturers & so couldn't have anything to do with your recent darkside flirtation. Cheers >I see. Does everyone else feel the same? Nah... BWM is probably one of those little known Welsh manufacturers & so couldn't have anything to do with your recent darkside flirtation. Cheers > For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read and > reply to this post. If it's not within the bounds of good taste for this [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Or one of these descriptions I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative, I guess I'd have to give myself about a 20 on the list though I definitly distance myself from affiliating with any particular political party due to the childish bicking and nasty mudslinging on both sides. Most of the conservatives I know drive domestic cars, but then quite a few parts of my Volvo are made by AC Delco, Volvo is now owned by Ford, Saab is now GM, my previous vehicle was a Ford but quite a few pieces of it was Japanese, and every car I've owned including the Saab has been bought from an american, I paid (and continue to pay) taxes to the american government, I buy fuel here in america, insurance, many of the consumables, etc. Perhaps you could bring up a few of those points when people give you flak. Good call, and great talking points. I love my saabs, however... I dunno that I'd go so far as to get it direct from sweden! And you're right about the taxes, gas, etc. Thanks for weighing in. I appreciate the responses that are well thought out and written in plain english. =) >> For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read > and [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > of > those points when people give you flak. Tough question... Especially since it makes no sense to comapre the two items -- considering most contemporary self-anoitned republicans confuse their platform with conservatism. 90% of these people have no idea what real conservatism is... 21st century conservatism is "do what I say and not what I do"... People in red states would rather elect a criminal who is pro-life rather than put anyone else in office. But then again the left doesn't offer any alternatives either! If anyone is going to declare themselves a republican, it should be mandatory to read the Federalist Papers and anything written by Thomas Jefferson (who if was alive today would probably be ostracized by the political establishment). At any rate, I've heard the foreign car sthick all my life. I was born in Detroit and raised in SE Michigan. Always took crap like the orginal poster for driving a "foregin" car. Over the last two decades there's been such a blurring of the line of what is a foregin car and what is domestic, that's it's become almost impossible to tell and anyone who says otherwise is talking out of their a$$. BTW, I'm a vet, I have a graduate degree, and I'm on my 4th Saab.. and probably a 60 on your scale. How many of the folks giving you grief about your Saab have served their country, volunteered time for charitable organizations, or held public office? Unitl they do, they should probably shut the f**k up and worry about things more significant that what car you drive. Peace Out >Good call, and great talking points. I love my saabs, however... I dunno >that I'd go so far as to get it direct from sweden! And you're right about [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> of >> those points when people give you flak. > 90% of these people have no idea what real conservatism is... 21st > century conservatism is "do what I say and not what I do"... People in > red states would rather elect a criminal who is pro-life rather than > put anyone else in office. But then again the left doesn't offer any > alternatives either! Definately out of place in a group about cars. Dave Hinz Point well taken. I shouldn't have posted this here. Just morbid curiosity on my part, and unfortunately, I feel that curiosity may well kill the cat on this post. >> 90% of these people have no idea what real conservatism is... 21st >> century conservatism is "do what I say and not what I do"... People in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dave Hinz > > For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read > and [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Volvo is now owned by Ford, Saab is now GM, my previous vehicle was a Ford > but quite a few pieces of it was Japanese, Reminds me of the story about the municipal government that had a "Buy American" policy considering bids for a small tractor. They didn't know whether to accept the bid of the American brand made in Asia or the Asian brand made in America. > and every car I've owned > including the Saab has been bought from an american, I paid (and continue to > pay) taxes to the american government, I buy fuel here in america, > insurance, many of the consumables, etc. Perhaps you could bring up a few of > those points when people give you flak. > For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read and > reply to this post. If it's not within the bounds of good taste for this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that I choose to drive a swedish car. (IE - Talk radio's Neal Boortz, or > Glenn Beck). The only country in which that Saab ownership could be viewed negatively for being 'unpatriotic' is clearly the dumb USA ! Home of the world's dumbest ever 'world leader'. Sorry - just had to get that off my chest ! > So.. now I'm curious. How does the political views of the average SAAB > owner lean? Right or Left? Intielligent, well-heeled professional ( of either persusasion ) when buying new for sure - lol. > Feel free to weigh in. I'm looking for one of the following answers, and > nothing more: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Conservative <--- Me > Extremely Conservative You left out socialist. There's lots of them in Europe ( home of the car you drive ). Sweden has a long established social democratic tradition. A concept entirely absent in the USA. European concepts of 'liberal' are likely to be widely at odds with the US view too. In Europe, liberal may also mean 'libertarian' to no small degree whilst conservative often means rather the opposite. Having said that, US conservatives may presents themselves as libertarian whilst in truth pursuing another agenda. Hence my input would be irrelevant. Your question is too narrowly focused. Graham > The only country in which that Saab ownership could be viewed negatively for > being 'unpatriotic' is clearly the dumb USA ! Home of the world's dumbest ever > 'world leader'. > Sorry - just had to get that off my chest ! We don't badmouth _your_ leader with a limited set of facts, perhaps you could consider returning the favor? Come on... >> The only country in which that Saab ownership could be viewed negatively >> for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We don't badmouth _your_ leader with a limited set of facts, perhaps you > could consider returning the favor? This is only an issue with Republicans because those on the left wing tend to be Pro Choice. > For reasons of pure curiosity, and political study, I ask that you read > and reply to this post. If it's not within the bounds of good taste for [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Conservative <--- Me > Extremely Conservative WHY ARE YOU ALL FEEDING THE TROLL?
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