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Car Forum / Saab Cars / February 2005C900 Aero....... or is it?
Ok, I know I'm always asking questions, and rarely helping out, but give me time guys and one day I may have a tenth of Grunff's knowledge. Which will make me very knowledgeable indeed. As some of you will know, I own a 9000CSE with the Full Pressure Turbo. Whilst it's a hoot to drive, it's cost me a fortune, and frankly I miss my C900..... So I bought another one on ebay.......:-)))) Frankly I am just taking a punt on this one, it needs some work, esp. to locks and dashboard where thieving scum nicked the previous owners radio. I got it for a song, in my opinion. The car was advertised as a classic 900 Aero(1988), but I don't think it is. What makes a C900 an Aero? (UK spec) websites I've been to so far seem to mix up the T16 Turbo and the Aero, how can I tell? There is no mention on the V5 but I don't think they always state Aero anyway. Can someone either spell it out for me, or give me a link? I don't actually get the car until Thursday, and I only have the new keepers part of the V5, so cannot currently give out the VIN numbers. Many thanks.... (I'm not going to pull out of the deal, or ask for a reduction, it is a T16, and it does go like <SNIP> off a chrome shovel!) (Anyone want a 9000CSE FPT? Its on the saab owners club website) Cheers Al > What makes a C900 an Aero? (UK spec) websites I've been > to so far seem to mix up the T16 Turbo and the Aero, how can I tell? This is a 1992 900S 16v aero http://members.home.nl/saab900t/images2/91.jpg http://members.home.nl/saab900t/images2/94.jpg http://members.home.nl/saab900t/images2/97.jpg etc. aero 'skirts', LPT, no intercooler http://members.home.nl/saab900t/images2/92.jpg -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '87 900T8 http://go.to/saab96 Very interesting. All US SPGs, I believed, (1992 for sure) came with leather. I just walked away from a car that was sold as a European Aero, thinking that it was a souped up European delivery car. It had gray velour upholstery, and the badge on the back said 900 Turbo. I see these Aero pictures show gray velour upholstery, too, but the identification on the back is what I would expect - none (US SPGs only say "Saab" on the back). -Dima >> What makes a C900 an Aero? (UK spec) websites I've been >> to so far seem to mix up the T16 Turbo and the Aero, how can I tell? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > '87 900T8 > http://go.to/saab96 > Very interesting. All US SPGs, I believed, (1992 for sure) came with > leather. I just walked away from a car that was sold as a European Aero, > thinking that it was a souped up European delivery car. It had gray velour > upholstery, and the badge on the back said 900 Turbo. I see these Aero > pictures show gray velour upholstery, too, but the identification on the > back is what I would expect - none (US SPGs only say "Saab" on the back). I thought the difference between (UK) T16s and Aeros was that the latter all had intercoolers and body kits, while the former didn't (although some T16s definitely had intercoolers but no body kits).  SignatureGrunff >> Very interesting. All US SPGs, I believed, (1992 for sure) came with >> leather. I just walked away from a car that was sold as a European [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > all had intercoolers and body kits, while the former didn't (although > some T16s definitely had intercoolers but no body kits). Are we talking about factory cars or possibly modfied cars? My 1993 C900 turbo has the red box, lowered suspension, three spoke wheels just like the pictures, heated power leather front seats, leather interior, wood dash, CD player and a short shift kit. The short shift kit was an add on. How much more is not factory, I am not sure. > > Very interesting. All US SPGs, I believed, (1992 for sure) came with > > leather. I just walked away from a car that was sold as a European Aero, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I thought the difference between (UK) T16s and Aeros was that the latter > all had intercoolers and body kits, while the former didn't (although > some T16s definitely had intercoolers but no body kits). Oddly enough, the LPT with body kit (at 145 BHP but no intercooler) it listed on the V5 as an "Aero" where the T16S with bodykit (at 175 BHP with intercooler) is not!!! Maybe the later ones, say, 1992/1993 did, but the earlier "proper" Aeros did not. What makes an Aero is if it is the same spec as the Swedish Aero or US SPG ... essentially, the UK T16S with intercooler and bodykit. It might also have a red box APC, but still be the 175 BHP model rather than the 185 BHP model that the red box would suggest. For a great resource on APC boxes, see http://www.900aero.com/ If you've got a T16S (which will have "SAAB" on the LHS of the boot, then the round Griffin and "turbo S" or sometimes "900 turbo S" on the RHS with a "16 Valve" badge underneath), with intercooler and the Aero bodykit, just double check the APC box number to confirm the performance spec. Do not confuse the Aero with the 'Airflow', which is a slightly different bodykit released in 1987 and best exemplified as the UK 'Carlsson' model. Oh, there were T8 Aeros, too - 1989 run-out models for the Swedish market. The UK got the T8S - see my "Specials" site at http://www.pjgh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/saab/specials/ You'll have made a nice purchase, whatever! Paul [...] > You'll have made a nice purchase, whatever! Yes, don't worry about it Al. The car looks in fantastic condition. > [...] >> >> You'll have made a nice purchase, whatever! > > Yes, don't worry about it Al. The car looks in fantastic condition. Er...you haven't seen my car, (as far as I know!) but I also liked the photos in the thread above of a smashing Aero... You can see my purchase at.... http://www.byphotos.com/album/1195345?s=510894&e=alistairdore@yahoo.com From these pictures can anyone get any closer to the truth, Aero or not? Just interested, I was very impressed with the 3/4hr test drive and I know I won't be disappointed whatever when I take possession on Thursday. I have no idea whether it has an intercooler or not, I assume its possible to retrofit a good second-hand one? plus a red box apc...... Cheers Al > > [...] > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You can see my purchase at.... http://www.byphotos.com/album/1195345?s=510894&e=alistairdore@yahoo.com > From these pictures can anyone get any closer to the truth, Aero or not? > Just interested, I was very impressed with the 3/4hr test drive and I know I > won't be disappointed whatever when I take possession on Thursday. > > I have no idea whether it has an intercooler or not, I assume its possible > to retrofit a good second-hand one? plus a red box apc...... The intercooler looks like a radiator, about 9"x12" in size behind the LHS headlamp. If it doesn't have one, yes, you can get a second hand one ... http://www.parts-asap.co.uk/ will be able to source you one with all the required pipework. Here's a page showing how on an older 8 valve model: http://www.saabnet.com/sites/8vintercool/ ... also, the APC box can be "made up" to red box specification by adjusting a couple of screws with the assistance of a multimeter. Depending on the box part number, a couple of resistors and a capacitor might also need exchanging. Let is know what's under the bonnet when you get the car. There'll be a flood of advice once we know what's under there :) Paul Halliday 1989 900 T8 Special >> "Johannes H Andersen" > <johs@sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssizefitter.com> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Paul Halliday > 1989 900 T8 Special Yup, you guys and gals have never let me down yet! Can't wait until Thursday, thinking of taking a leave day on Friday just to play.... I'll be getting back to you on that APC adjustment and the presence or not of an intercooler, I know what it looks like as I have one on my current 9000, but I didn't look for one when I purchased. Cheers Al [...] > I'll be getting back to you on that APC adjustment and the presence or not > of an intercooler, I know what it looks like as I have one on my current > 9000, but I didn't look for one when I purchased. What does it look like on a 9000. Can you retrofit one? > What does it look like on a 9000. Can you retrofit one? The 9000 IC is *huge* - considerably bigger than a C900 /radiator/. I'm sure given enough time and patience you could probably squeeze one into a C900, but it would be a major job. SignatureGrunff > > What does it look like on a 9000. Can you retrofit one? > > The 9000 IC is *huge* - considerably bigger than a C900 /radiator/. I'm > sure given enough time and patience you could probably squeeze one into > a C900, but it would be a major job. How can I know if my 9000 CSE 2.0 LPT has intercooler or not? > How can I know if my 9000 CSE 2.0 LPT has intercooler or not? Open the bonnet and follow the plumbing between the turbo and the intake manifold. Should be obvious if there is an intercoler or not. If there are only pipes and no 'radiator', it has no IC. -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '87 900T8 http://go.to/saab96 > How can I know if my 9000 CSE 2.0 LPT has intercooler or not? Follow the tubes/hoses from the throttle body back to the turbo. If it goes like this [throttle body] <====================== [turbo] <=== [AMM] <=== [air filter] you do not have an intercooler. If it goes like this [throttle body] <=== [intercooler] <=== [turbo] <=== [AMM] <=== [air filter] you do have an intercooler. Depending on model year, you may, or may not, have the AMM, Air Mass Meter. SignatureG?ran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/saab/ on 06/02/2005 14:46: >>> What does it look like on a 9000. Can you retrofit one? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How can I know if my 9000 CSE 2.0 LPT has intercooler or not? I'm almost certain that the LPT does not have an intercooler. Follow the pipework from the turbo to the throttle to make sure. Grunff's right - the 9000 IC is huge; you'd know it's there! Paul 1989 900 Turbo S http://saab.go.dyndns.org/ >> What does it look like on a 9000. Can you retrofit one? > > The 9000 IC is *huge* - considerably bigger than a C900 /radiator/. I'm > sure given enough time and patience you could probably squeeze one into > a C900, but it would be a major job. Here's a walkthrough with a Volvo 740 IC (better flow rate than the 9000 IC): http://saabcentral.com/techhelp/c900/volvo_ic/default.htm The guy pictured got the car pictured up to 280 BHP ... And, erm, sold it for a Golf!!! AFAIK, the car is alive and well and still high powered. Paul 1989 900 Turbo S http://saab.go.dyndns.org/ > >> What does it look like on a 9000. Can you retrofit one? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The guy pictured got the car pictured up to 280 BHP ... And, erm, sold it > for a Golf!!! AFAIK, the car is alive and well and still high powered. I recognise that Pete Tandino. Signature"Sorry Sir, the meatballs are Orf" The poster formerly known as Skodapilot. http://www.bouncing-czechs.com Hej there ... splitter!!! JK I can't remember who the new owner is but each time he comments about the car on the forums, Pete always interjects ... misty eyed, no doubt :) >>[...] >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Al You will enjoy it - especially with the red box! I had fun with mine today. Sunny day, dry roads and light traffic! > > This is a 1992 900S 16v aero > > http://members.home.nl/saab900t/ > ... I just walked away from a car that was sold as a European Aero, > thinking that it was a souped up European delivery car. > It had gray velour upholstery, .... One of my Saab friends bought the pictured car here in NL, but originally it was delivered in Italy. -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '87 900T8 http://go.to/saab96 |
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