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Emmy Dubbs - 16 Feb 2005 19:05 GMT
OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
coming/going.  What's the answer?

Matt
The Malt Hound - 16 Feb 2005 19:33 GMT
> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units
> have
> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
> coming/going.  What's the answer?

Replacement or you can try disassembly and repair.  Some have claimed
(temporary or limited) success.

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-Fred W
arkovsky - 17 Feb 2005 07:34 GMT
>>OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units
>>have
>>a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
>>coming/going.  What's the answer?
>
> Replacement or you can try disassembly and repair.  

I've tried repairing mine but I lost even more of the pixels.
The Malt Hound - 17 Feb 2005 16:48 GMT
>>>OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units
>>>have
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>
> I've tried repairing mine but I lost even more of the pixels.

I guess you are not any good at SID repair then.  Better buy a Honda.

-Fred W
ma_twain - 16 Feb 2005 23:45 GMT
> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
> coming/going.  What's the answer?
>
> Matt

We plugged in one those electronic air cleaners in a car. The SID
started to fade out.  We thought we were in for a replacement.  Then we
notice the problem started when the electronic device was plugged in.
Guess what happened when we unplugged the air cleaner?   If you have any
aftermarket electronic device plugged into a power outlet near the SID,
consider this a possibility before you replace the SID. I don't know if
a cell phone can cause problems with a SID, but my Nextel Motorola will
drive any speaker/telephone system crazy.
arkovsky - 17 Feb 2005 07:37 GMT
>> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
>> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> a cell phone can cause problems with a SID, but my Nextel Motorola will
> drive any speaker/telephone system crazy.

The problem is due to bad contact between the thin wire strip and the
conductive glass, something that is hard to fix.
arkovsky - 17 Feb 2005 07:33 GMT
> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
> coming/going.  What's the answer?
>
> Matt

Good job. All SID's are all junk. Saab prides itself on this. Saab
doesn't care even though the must know of this defect in ALL their cars.
 My next car will be Japanese.
Dave Hinz - 17 Feb 2005 15:12 GMT
>> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
>> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Good job. All SID's are all junk. Saab prides itself on this. Saab
> doesn't care even though the must know of this defect in ALL their cars.

Are you claiming that the current SIDs have the same problem, and that
the repair units aren't actually the new design?  Can you provide
evidence to, you know, back that up?

>   My next car will be Japanese.

Have fun with that.
Grunff - 17 Feb 2005 17:45 GMT
>>  My next car will be Japanese.
>
> Have fun with that.

We had an Accord for a while. That was a truly loathesome experience. It
was slow, underpowered (it was a 2 litre!!), no fun to drive, and even
less fun to work on. Parts prices made Saab parts look free (e.g. Thermo
fan switch - Saab 900/9000: £3.60. Accord: £56).

All in all, it was by far the worst car I've ever owned (and I've owned
a Vauxhall Viva and a Citroen GS!!). It never broke down on us though,
even when the fan switch went.

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Emmy Dubbs - 18 Feb 2005 16:25 GMT
OK - so $450-550 usd to buy then another couple hundred to have
"calibrated" by the dealer.  Guess we the SID readout as is and call
it "character".

Matt

>>>  My next car will be Japanese.
>>
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>a Vauxhall Viva and a Citroen GS!!). It never broke down on us though,
>even when the fan switch went.
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 22 Feb 2005 09:30 GMT
> We had an Accord for a while. That was a truly loathesome experience. It
> was slow, underpowered (it was a 2 litre!!), no fun to drive, and even
> less fun to work on. Parts prices made Saab parts look free (e.g. Thermo
> fan switch - Saab 900/9000: £3.60. Accord: £56).

I'm finding the same experience with the GT4.
Boost is limited in 1st and 2nd, and even when full boost is available
it is limited to 7PSI.

Surely with a 2 litre rally bred 4x4, they could have given it a little
more grunt to start with?

Somehow it makes 200BHP from less boost though.

Parts being pricey. Oh yeah, I know that. Thermostat from main dealer
£22.50. Replacement Toyota windscreen wipers, £50 including the special
screw fitting adaptor, Halford £18 with the adaptor, Bosch £23 with the
adaptor included. In the end it's worked out cheaper to by KYB (what
Toyota brand as their own) and TRD (Toyota Race Developments) branded
parts from performance Toyota  independants than normal Toyota branded
standard spec parts from a dealer.

For the ST205 (next model on), there is a weird figure of 8 drop links,
and "Superstrut" suspension. Parts to replace the figure of 8's on both
sides normally comes to £700+ and then you have to add VAT and labour.
Even from an independant, the Superstrut suspension tends to add about
£300-800 onto the price compared to my ST185, because the casings to
build struts are only available from Toyota, new.
Buying parts from a dealer
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Grunff - 22 Feb 2005 09:34 GMT
> Parts being pricey. Oh yeah, I know that. Thermostat from main dealer
> £22.50. Replacement Toyota windscreen wipers, £50 including the special
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> parts from performance Toyota  independants than normal Toyota branded
> standard spec parts from a dealer.

The things that hurt with Saabs is the Saab only parts. Generic parts
(like Bosch ignition/injection, various electronics etc.) are cheap, but
try buying a piece of interior plastic new - ouch.

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Grunff

Emmy Dubbs - 17 Feb 2005 16:01 GMT
>> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
>> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>doesn't care even though the must know of this defect in ALL their cars.
>  My next car will be Japanese.

Well, I've had the Japanese cars too and they are no better.  So far,
the SAAB is really cool.  Seems like a lot of rage going on
there...you might want to get that looked at.

Matt
Bill Jackson - 19 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT
It's a flawed design...

I finally got sick of mine and took it into work where we disassembled it.
At the heart of the issue is the flex coming from the main controller board
to the display unit.  The flex is "hot bar" soldered into place on the edge
of the board, but because of the very sharp turn, there is considerable
stress on the flex.

What happens is that the flex delaminates, with the pads that are soldered
to the main board coming off the flex.  In the end, the stress and probably
thermal expansion cause the very fine traces that come through the flex to
disconnect from the pads.  If all you have wrong is the pads delaminating
from the flex you can apply pressure (like in the fixes you find on the net)
and it'll hold them down.  But if you are unlucky to have had the traces
break from the pads, you're out of luck there is really nothing you can do.

A couple of guys at work and I took the thing apart and looked at the flex
under one of our microscopes used for fixing surface mount components.  It's
very clear what happened and why it went wrong.

Unfortunately, Saab wont' step up to the plate and fix this systemic
failure.  I had mine (99 9-5) replaced last year, it's about $400 for the
whole deal (remember, it has to be programmed with the TECH-II to make it
work properly so buying a used one may or may not work depending what car it
came from)  I wrote a letter to Saab about it, they told me that hte ony way
that they'd talk to me aobut it was if it was at a dealer getting repaired,
they and the dealer may choose to do something

read that, if you spend a lot at your dealer, get your car fixed there all
the time, bought the car there and maybe another one, the dealer may kick in
with Saab to make it right.  If you must moved in from out of town and
bought hte car used in the first place, forget it.

> OK, I've been doing internet research...looks like the SID units have
> a history of failure.  Mine, 1997 SE Turbo, convertible.  Pixels
> coming/going.  What's the answer?
>
> Matt
 
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