Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2005
2004 9-3 aero bad in snow
|
|
Thread rating:  |
Tex - 22 Feb 2005 15:56 GMT I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. This car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased that it couldn't even get me up a small, somewhat snowy incline, at low speed (as an AWD Volvo and an old Ford Escort zipped right past me up the hill). The AWD clearly has the advantage but the Escort???
I realize snow tires would help, but would they markedly improve snow weather performance? It's disastrous, as of right now in the snow.
- tex
The Malt Hound - 22 Feb 2005 16:13 GMT >I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. >This car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > snow weather performance? It's disastrous, as of right now in the > snow. It's like night an day. A 9-3 is actually a pretty good car to drive in the snow. But you absolutely *have* to get winter tires.
That goes for any car. I'll bet the escort had snows on?
-Fred W
Tex - 22 Feb 2005 16:44 GMT > It's like night an day. A 9-3 is actually a pretty good car to drive in > the snow. But you absolutely *have* to get winter tires. That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm guessing my choices for these specific rims will be fairly limited.
> That goes for any car. I'll bet the escort had snows on? I suspect so, but it drove by fairly quick...and that lettering on the tires was just way too small for me to read from afar ;-)
- tex
Dave Hinz - 22 Feb 2005 17:04 GMT >> It's like night an day. A 9-3 is actually a pretty good car to drive in >> the snow. But you absolutely *have* to get winter tires. > > That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm guessing my > choices for these specific rims will be fairly limited. Nokian snowtires are made in Finland - they know a lot about snow up there. I've been driving on them for years and wouldn't consider anything else now.
Viktor Haag - 23 Feb 2005 15:47 GMT >> It's like night an day. A 9-3 is actually a pretty good car >> to drive in the snow. But you absolutely *have* to get winter >> tires. Amen. Both the 9-3 and 9-5 drive INFINITELY better in the winter time with winter gear on the wheels. I even noticed a substantial difference when switching off my P6 OEM all seasons from my 9-5 this season.
>> That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm >> guessing my choices for these specific rims will be fairly [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > snow up there. I've been driving on them for years and > wouldn't consider anything else now. I have used Michelin Pilot Alpins on my Saabs for six years now, and have no complaints; they wear well, and grip well. They are, however, pretty expensive and that would've bothered me if they didn't seem to be so long-lived.
I've heard really good things about Nokian tires, but a lot of the models are studded, and thus not usable in the province where I live (Ontario) as far as I know (afaik, we're a "salt" province, not a "studs" province, pfeh); accordingly, finding a local Nokian dealer was not easy... there's only one place in the area that I know of that sells them, and I know nothing about them. Accordingly, I stuck with the place I knew, and the Michelins.
 Signature Viktor Haag : Senior Technical Writer : Research In Motion
Dave Hinz - 23 Feb 2005 16:28 GMT > I've heard really good things about Nokian tires, but a lot of > the models are studded, and thus not usable in the province where > I live (Ontario) as far as I know (afaik, we're a "salt" > province, not a "studs" province, pfeh); Nokian tires _can be_ studded, but don't ship from Finland that way. The wholesaler (or retailer) needs to stud them, if they're going to a place where they are allowed.
> accordingly, finding a > local Nokian dealer was not easy... there's only one place in the > area that I know of that sells them, and I know nothing about > them. I don't know if he ships to Canada, but Pat Greer at Greer Enterprises in Milwaukee (Wisconsin) could probably give you a local source if he can't send 'em to you. If nothing else, he'll give you a free lesson on tires without bullshitting you. switchboad.com has his number.
Dave Hinz
Shane Almeida - 23 Feb 2005 17:07 GMT > I don't know if he ships to Canada, but Pat Greer at Greer Enterprises > in Milwaukee (Wisconsin) could probably give you a local source if he > can't send 'em to you. If nothing else, he'll give you a free lesson > on tires without bullshitting you. switchboad.com has his number. He's got a website too, but the email address listed is wrong. http://www.dias.net/~greerent/
Gary Fritz - 22 Feb 2005 17:14 GMT > That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm > guessing my choices for these specific rims will be fairly > limited. Don't stick with those rims. They usually recommend taller/skinnier profile for snow tires, and anyway it's a lot simpler and cheaper to swap in your winter wheels than to put the snows on & off the rims every year.
Maybe try some 16" Gislaveds, or Nokian Hakkapelittas. Or check into the Green Diamond tires -- recycled rubber (eco-friendly, but not retreads), embedded carbide crystals give great traction on ice.
Dima - 22 Feb 2005 17:52 GMT I used Nokian NRW on my '97 900, which were marketed as aggressive all season/snow tires for performance vehicles. I was really happy with it. This model was discontinued, but there are good replacements. www.nokiantires.com is a good source of information. Gislaveds are good too, but definitely get different set of wheels. Really bad idea and bad for the tires to have them mounted/unmounted twice a year, and a set of steel wheels would be cheaper than prematurely replacing the expensive low-profile tires that go on the 9-5 Aeros.
I am actually interested to pursue this thread further, but I will re-start it under a different subject.
-Dima
>> That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm >> guessing my choices for these specific rims will be fairly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the Green Diamond tires -- recycled rubber (eco-friendly, but not > retreads), embedded carbide crystals give great traction on ice. dxyzc@nospam.com - 23 Feb 2005 00:50 GMT >>That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm >>guessing my choices for these specific rims will be fairly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the Green Diamond tires -- recycled rubber (eco-friendly, but not > retreads), embedded carbide crystals give great traction on ice. Definitely get 16" wheels whether steel or alloy. You SAAB dealer might cut you a good deal on 16" Winter Alloys and Winter Tires. Mine did (Borbet and Nokian Hak). Don't trash your 17" wheels in the winter!
D
Shane Almeida - 22 Feb 2005 18:02 GMT >> It's like night an day. A 9-3 is actually a pretty good car to drive in >> the snow. But you absolutely *have* to get winter tires. > > That's good to hear. Any particular recommendations? I'm guessing my > choices for these specific rims will be fairly limited. I had the same problem with my 9-3. The Pirelli PZero Rossos are, obviously, terrible in the snow. I shopped around for tires and ended up getting the winter tire package that my dealer had. The package is four 16x6.5" Arc wheels (10 spoke) and Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW3 tires (215/55-R16) mounted and balanced for $1050 (installation may be extra - I installed them myself).
I was looking at getting a set Nokians and keeping my 17x7" wheels, but the price of the tires (225/45-R17), mounting and balancing, and installation would have been around $800. You could get a set of cheap steel wheels and save some money, but I wanted something a little nicer. I figured for 200 bucks more I should just get the package, get a nice set of dedicated winter wheels, and save myself the hassle of having to remount the tires twice a year.
The Goodyears are decent tires. I can't compare them to anything else (besides the PZero Rossos) because they're the only tires I've used. They are mud and snow tires (M+S) and have the snowflake on the mountain symbol. I can get up my driveway, stop safely at intersections, and kick up nice rooster tails, so I'm happy with them.
Tex - 24 Feb 2005 04:11 GMT > I had the same problem with my 9-3. The Pirelli PZero Rossos are, > obviously, terrible in the snow. I shopped around for tires and ended up > getting the winter tire package that my dealer had. The package is four > 16x6.5" Arc wheels (10 spoke) and Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW3 tires > (215/55-R16) mounted and balanced for $1050 (installation may be extra - I > installed them myself). Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I contacted the dealer , and they offer a set of wheels...alloys + the goodyear ultra grips, you mentioned. My salesman said he could get me a price of $900 installed.
- tex
Shane Almeida - 24 Feb 2005 13:55 GMT > Thanks for everyone's suggestions. I contacted the dealer , and they offer > a set of wheels...alloys + the goodyear ultra grips, you mentioned. My > salesman said he could get me a price of $900 installed. That's a darn good deal considering Saab charges $222 each for those Arc wheels. You just got a nice set of snow tires for 12 bucks.
The Malt Hound - 24 Feb 2005 14:11 GMT >> I had the same problem with my 9-3. The Pirelli PZero Rossos are, >> obviously, terrible in the snow. I shopped around for tires and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > mentioned. My salesman said he could get me a price of $900 > installed. That's a fine deal. I'd go for it in a minute. You could get a steel wheel package cheaper, but it's well worth the extra $$ for the alloys, as long as you don't go banging any curbs with them.
-Fred W
Onejob - 22 Feb 2005 19:22 GMT > I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. > This car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - tex Oh yes!! I took a trip to the French Alps to deliver a tape a few weeks ago. I hadn't intended to stay long!
Everyone else was zipping around and I couldn't even drive over a 3 inch ridge of ice/snow to start out the next morning! I had to walk into the nearest town, buy some chains and "re-adapt" them for the wheels, just so I could drive 3kms back down the mountain and below the snow line.
It was so embarrassing but at least it looked the dog's bollocks, gleaming laser red in the white snow as I swore and cursed getting the chains on!
I'll fly next time.
SP.
dxyzc@nospam.com - 23 Feb 2005 00:46 GMT > I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. This > car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased that it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - tex The Pirellis are high performance summer tires! Get some Nokian winter tires. With ESP and good snow tires the car is great in the snow.
D
SuoTimo - 23 Feb 2005 09:42 GMT > I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. This > car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased that it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - tex ___________________________
As previously mentioned the winter tires need to be less wider (=higher profile) than summer tires - I'd go to 15" rims and probably 60 or 65 / max 185...
In snow & ice conditions narrower has actually more friction and tire doesn't start to act as a pair of skies in slush.
You got already good suggestions for brand,,, they do constantly produce good winter tires in my neighbouring town...
Been driving on snow & ice every winter for 20 years,,,
-SuoTimo ____________________________
The Malt Hound - 23 Feb 2005 14:32 GMT > As previously mentioned the winter tires need to be less wider > (=higher profile) than > summer tires - I'd go to 15" rims and probably 60 or 65 / max 185... Being an Aero, I seem to recall that he may not be able to fit the brakes into a 15" rim. In any case, use the smallest rim diameter you can and get a narrowest tire patch (as advised) for best snow performance. If you want to compromise between best snow performance and not completely screweing up your dry road performance between snowstorms, go with something in between. The key is getting the winter tires on there...
-Fred W
Shane Almeida - 23 Feb 2005 21:39 GMT > Being an Aero, I seem to recall that he may not be able to fit the > brakes into a 15" rim. In any case, use the smallest rim diameter you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > snowstorms, go with something in between. The key is getting the > winter tires on there... According to the manual, acceptable winter tire sizes for the Aero are 215/55 R16 93 Q on 6.5x16" or 225/45 R17 94 Q M+S RF/XL on 17x7". In addition to those two, the Arc can also use 205/55 R16 91 Q on 16x6.5". In addition to those three, the Linear can also use 205/65 R15 94 Q on 15x6.5".
Fredrik Borch Lynghaug - 13 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT > > I realize snow tires would help, but would they markedly improve snow > > weather performance? It's disastrous, as of right now in the snow. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > In snow & ice conditions narrower has actually more friction and tire > doesn't start to act as a pair of skies in slush. I heavily support this. Narrower wheels and higher profile gets you better grip on snowy roads. Higher profile is no point alone, but is conected with the with of the tires, which makes the difference. Therefore wintertyres are much softer. The better gip on snow, the softer on asphalt. When I in the autumn put on the wintertyres (with narrower rims) I always make a braketest to get an idea of what the difference is. It's huge!
On my Saab 99, 1983, I use 185/65 R15 tyres on 15" rims. -I know, it's a very different car to drive. Fredrik Norway
ma_twain - 27 Feb 2005 04:32 GMT > I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. This > car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased that it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - tex Snow tires make all the difference. I "amazed" the owner of a four wheel drive Jeep when I drove up his driveway one winter. I thought he was being nice by parking his Jeep on the road. It turns out he could not get up his driveway. I had dedicated snow tires on my Saab :-)
The real reason you use four snow tires is not so you can go - stopping and steering are far more important than being able to go. My 1986 900 with the 8 valve engine was the best snow car I ever had. It was underpowered and had a manual transmission, which made it perfect for the snow. It was perfectly controllable and lots of fun in the snow and ice :-) I miss that car :-(
Onejob - 06 Mar 2005 15:46 GMT > I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. > This car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - tex I had to smile yesterday! A local news report here in the UK was reporting how disruptive and terrible our "big freeze" was i.e. 6 inches of snow over 3 days. Lughable in itself BUT then it showed a queue of stationary traffic with a not so stationary car heading for the rear of the queue, sliding out of control. It narrowly misses.
No prizes for guessing what the car was. A 2004 9-3 Aero! The next morning, I left the Saab in the drive and took my Vectra instead!
SP.
Robert - 06 Mar 2005 16:10 GMT >>I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. >>This car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > SP. Hard to know whether to laugh or cry over the total incompetence of the people who think that wide summer tyres on 17 in. rims are something to use when the temperature is under +3C, let alone snow and ice. Unfortunately these kind of idiots don't just harm themselves. Many bad accidents, many deaths, until winter tyres became law here (Sweden).
But maybe British drivers are better snow-and-ice drivers on summer tyres, than their Swedish counterparts?
It is not the car which is at fault. The latest Saab 9-3 is an excellent winter car (as are so many other cars, including my 2WD Audi A4), on the condition that proper winter tyres (preferably narrow, high-profile ones) are fitted to all 4 wheels.
In many places, snowfall and freezing conditions are so infrequent that they don't merit buying a set of winter roadwheels. But then the car should be left in the driveway until the snow clears.
And for those who have AWD cars - just because you can accelerate better with AWD and traction control, doesn't mean that you can stop any better than a 2WD car.
<climbs off the soap box>
/Robert
Onejob - 08 Mar 2005 23:23 GMT BIG SNIP
That's a BLOODY great soap box you got there. And as for the term IDIOT, realistcally, I think you're a bit of a twat myself.
Look at it this way, if you're capable. In this part of the UK we will have no more than 4 days in the year which there is ice or snow on the road. 4 days in a whole year. Studs and chains are ILLEGAL. We are not allowed to use them. So the only option is another set of tyres... for 4 days.
My car is a UK spec and cost 29,000 GPB (around 60,000 USD) and came with summer tyres. I was not told that they were summer tyres. My other car has always run fine on one set of tyres. Why should I even question it? It's part of the car as supplied. Why the f.ck should I spend out another wad of money on fresh tryes for 4 days. Saab should put on all seasons to get through the "typically uneventful" British winter. The summer tyres should be put on cars sold in warmer climates.
So don't label everyone who ventures out on those 4 days as idiots. If we don't see snow, we don't think about it often. We don't have to plan how we drive in it or even pay much attention to what type of tyres we have. Simply speaking, the tyres I have ARE DANGEROUS in ice. We get ice here, therefore the car is DANGEROUS for around 4 days in the year. So:
a) The car should not be allowed to be sold as it is with those tyres as it is dangerous to drive in certain conditions that are not considered extreme OR
b) When the car is sold to a customer, he should be warned that "under no circumstances should you take your new 60,000 dollar car in the ice or snow because the tyres you have are sh.t.... sir".
dxyzc@nospam.com - 09 Mar 2005 01:37 GMT > BIG SNIP > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > no circumstances should you take your new 60,000 dollar car in the ice > or snow because the tyres you have are sh.t.... sir". If you don't know, then don't buy a performance car. Or leave the car at home on those days. If you bought a Corvette in Alaska would you expect it to come with snow tires? Or logic is lacking...
Dave Hinz - 09 Mar 2005 15:21 GMT > BIG SNIP > > That's a BLOODY great soap box you got there. And as for the term > IDIOT, realistcally, I think you're a bit of a twat myself. Who are you talking to? You didn't include any context or attributes. Generally when you're throwing insults around, it's a good idea to specify who you're insulting, and for what.
Dexter J - 09 Mar 2005 16:06 GMT Salutations:
>> BIG SNIP >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Generally when you're throwing insults around, it's a good idea to > specify who you're insulting, and for what. I'm afraid I must concur - I don't think I've ever called anyone an 'idiot' in this group and felt I passed along some good tips regarding foul weather driving that apply to anyone stuck with summer duty rubber in a pinch.
As to sales and engineering warnings regarding driving conditions - unless GM substantially changed the owners manual - SAAB used go on at length about what to expect and do about ice and snow conditions. Not that I'm ever likely to buy a 9^3/^5 myself - but I would be very interested to know if the manual has changed in that regard.
Personally - and again I'm not trying to tick you off or anything here - I put the winters on in the fall and leave them on well into the late spring because one of the other things a good winter tire will do for you (I've had luck with Kumho - although I'm trying DSP's this year) is substantially lower the risks of hydroplaning in heavy rain or skating on mud and/or leaves that get washed onto the road at both ends of the season here.
Anyway - sorry you feel group jumped you on this one. Happy motoring none the less.
--
Radio Free Dexterdyne Top Tune o'be-do-da-day Thomas Dolby - Hyperactive http://www.dexterdyne.org/888/084.RAM
all tunes - no cookies no subscription no weather no ads no news no phone in no sign up required - all the Time
Dexter J's fab SAAB 900 for sale: http://www.dexterdyne.org/310.HTM
John Hudson - 09 Mar 2005 17:56 GMT Having parted with ?29,000 you have my deepest sympathy.
> BIG SNIP > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > no circumstances should you take your new 60,000 dollar car in the ice > or snow because the tyres you have are sh.t.... sir". Robert - 09 Mar 2005 21:12 GMT > BIG SNIP > > That's a BLOODY great soap box you got there. And as for the term > IDIOT, realistcally, I think you're a bit of a twat myself. You're entitled to your opinion.
> Look at it this way, if you're capable. In this part of the UK we will > have no more than 4 days in the year which there is ice or snow on the > road. 4 days in a whole year. Studs and chains are ILLEGAL. We are not > allowed to use them. So the only option is another set of tyres... for > 4 days. Yes, I'm quite capable of seeing the situation that way. My having that view is why you called me a twat in the first place.
> My car is a UK spec and cost 29,000 GPB (around 60,000 USD) and came > with summer tyres. I was not told that they were summer tyres. My other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > seasons to get through the "typically uneventful" British winter. The > summer tyres should be put on cars sold in warmer climates. You should really make a decision about whom you're criticising here. Do you want to criticise me for finding fault with drivers who drive on summer tyres in snowy conditions, or do you prefer to criticise the UK dealers because they don't take the trouble to remind you that your summer tyres are summer tyres, not designed for freezing, snowy, or icy conditions?
> So don't label everyone who ventures out on those 4 days as idiots. If we're talking about conditions where there's a great risk of crashing due to loss of grip, then yes, anyone not leaving their car parked during those days is a danger to other road users and is thus an idiot.
> If > we don't see snow, we don't think about it often. We don't have to plan [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > no circumstances should you take your new 60,000 dollar car in the ice > or snow because the tyres you have are sh.t.... sir". You seem to be more preoccupied with the fact that the car costs almost 30000 quid, that its price tag should make it more immune to bad weather conditions.
That's a superb car you have there. Put on 195 or 205 tyres on 16in steel rims and it will be wonderful on snow and ice. Even with studless winter tyres it will be very obedient and forgiving, as long as you don't push the envelope too much.
Of course it's probably a bad investment to buy winter roadwheels for only half a week of snow every year - unless you're so dependent on the car for those few days. I think I understand the dilemma. No fun to watch a Ford Escort whiz by either ;-) In Sweden, there can be such bad conditions that some drivers with AWD and studded tyres will still elect to garage the car for safety reasons. No shame in that.
But don't put all-season tyres on the car. They really take the joy out of summer driving (I haven't tried but I've heard from others).
/Robert
Dexter J - 07 Mar 2005 02:51 GMT Salutations:
>> I recently purchased a 2004 9-3 Aero...with the 17" wheels/pirellis. >> This car, as is, stinks in the snow. This morning, I was embarrased [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > SP. Being from Nova Scotia - a relatively small outcropping of north Atlantic rock on the Laurentian Abyss on an isthmus to the east of Canada just below the Arctic Circle - please let me chip in (off?) some perhaps helpful advise here. The port of Halifax, my home town, being where most of that World War Two convoy footage of ice covered merchantmen bravely heading out to an uncertain future was filmed.
Basically - there are four great tricks to successfully winter driving. Correct tires and pressure - lower gears - weight distribution - throttle control.
Proper winter tires at the lower end of the recommended pressure range, teamed with weight distribution towards the drive wheels (in this case - to the front), will allow you to use lower gears and throttle control to maintain forward momentum by combining the previous elements to create osculating traction.
So - while it is still legal and encouraged here to annually fit tire studs - I have found most of my SAAB's over the years have been perfectly satisfied with just a mid-grade set of winter shoes - which I retire the second spring.
All Seasons are a suckers game and well worth avoiding in my books.
I keep the trunk/boot extra empty and tidy and make sure the rear springs and shocks are in good fettle in the fall. I also tend to keep it 3/4 fuelled rather than topped up - as a full tank tends to put a bit more weight in the rear than is desirable in later generation SAAB's.
Now - I happen to have the 5 speed '93 Aero with TCS which, while much maligned - does actually really work when working.
The system actually put me in exactly the opposite situation to yours on Toyo's during a surprise early season blizzard last November where I sailed on up a steep ice covered hill - right on by a Mercedes 4-matic, a jetta and a Subaru - all spinning and nudging along on the shoulder trying to get to the gravel (which is a good place to find traction next time you are caught on your summers without a TCS fettled machine BTW).
A slow, steady application of power - sort of in reverse of ABS, which is to say as sort of pumping your throttle ever so gently as you would have once pumped your non-ABS brakes on an earlier car - will do a *much* better job of keeping you moving than anything else. While you might find pavement by heavy spinning - you will only find it for a moment and you are very literally sending a potentially fatal shock-wave back through your differential and transmission every time you momentarily catch pavement.
If you have been caught out unprepared in a snap - get your trusty tire gauge out and carefully adjust the air pressure in your front tires to the very lower end of the acceptable pressure range. This will achieve two important things:
You will heat up your tires slightly more on what dry patches you are crossing - which is very important when you hit the slippery bits.
It will allow your tires to more readily release snow and ice from the tread as they flex more in rotation. Which will keep you moving over the slippery bits.
Remember to top them back up if you aren't replacing them with winters in the immediate future and for the love of god - keep the speeds down until you can do one or the other. De-rimming is ugly any time of the year.
Finally - buy a 5 pound bag of kitty litter and drop in with the spare. It's a lifesaver when needed, doesn't weigh as much as sand for the volume and doesn't rust out your floor pan when it gets wet like rock salt. In a real pinch - you can also try splashing down your tires and the immediate surface in front of them with liquid bleach. But be careful - it will rot off whatever you are wearing before you get home if you splash yourself.
I guess that's it - the rest should be self-evident if you've lived long enough to get the loan to buy the SAAB.
Cheers and better motoring brothers.
--
Radio Free Dexterdyne Top Tune o'be-do-da-day Santana - Lowrider http://www.dexterdyne.org/888/039.RAM
all tunes - no cookies no subscription no weather no ads no news no phone in no sign up required - all the Time
Dexter J's fab SAAB 900 for sale: http://www.dexterdyne.org/310.HTM
Motorhead Lawyer - 09 Mar 2005 18:21 GMT > If you have been caught out unprepared in a snap - get your trusty tire > gauge out and carefully adjust the air pressure in your front tires to the > very lower end of the acceptable pressure range. This will achieve two > important things: > > You will heat up your tires slightly more on what dry patches you are
> crossing - which is very important when you hit the slippery bits. Ummm, that will heat up the *sidewalls* of your tires, but have little effect on the treads. In addition, it is very destructive of the internal structures of the tires. I'd never try it. I find my winter tires shed snow quite nicely, thank you. -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that)
Dexter J - 09 Mar 2005 21:33 GMT Salutations:
>> If you have been caught out unprepared in a snap - get your trusty > tire [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > C.R. Krieger > (Been there; done that) Me too and I think I qualified myself clearly - "lower end of acceptable range". I also carefully noted later that you should reinflate to regular pressure or change to winters ASAP. It was/is emergency traction advise.
As to sidewall heating - yes - however that effect will keep the snow from blocking up on the outer trend release edge in the pinch. Though also snipped in your reply - the actually important bit noted later is to keep the tire flexing so that snow and ice is cleared from the treads while rolling.
However, given your concerns - anyone reading this should appriciate that the entire advise noted here:
http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=a+relatively+small+outcropping+of+north+Atlanti c++++rock+on+the+Laurentian+Abyss&hl=en&lr=&group=alt.autos.saab&scoring=d&selm= opsm8yecwungtaow%40news.eastlink.ca&rnum=1
.. is based on getting caught in a bind without the correct rubber or in conditions where the correct rubber still isn't enough..
Please excuse me if anyone has taken that to mean that they should run low tire pressures through the winters - which as brother Krieger correctly points out - is hard on your rubber and not my advise at all.
Cheers..
--
Radio Free Dexterdyne Top Tune o'be-do-da-day Thomas Dolby - Hyperactive http://www.dexterdyne.org/888/084.RAM
all tunes - no cookies no subscription no weather no ads no news no phone in no sign up required - all the Time
Dexter J's fab SAAB 900 for sale: http://www.dexterdyne.org/310.HTM
|
|
|