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Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2005

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Help please....'94 NG900s starts and dies

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Lou - 06 Mar 2005 21:03 GMT
2.3L FI engine
125K miles

Following a new battery installation and having the engine die and not
restart after driving it approximately 50 miles the car was towed home
for further investigation.

I ran a compression check to eliminate the possibility of a bad head
gasket. I noticed that the #1 spark plug had a wet look to it and the
other three did not. Compression was good.

The new battery went to 5.5v overnight with NO lights on and the key
in the lock position. I disconnected the negative battery cable,
charged the battery and reattached the cable. When contact was made to
the post I heard a coil or relay at the right rear of the engine
energize and a could hear a humming sound. Removed the negative cable
and checked current. 1.5A draw.

After some experimentation with the ignition OFF, I determined that
the #1 fuel injector is turning on when the battery is connected and
there was a humming sound from a valve in a bypass hose that runs from
above to below the throttle plate.

During subsequent checks I found the fuel pump fuse blown. After
replacing the fuse I was able to start the engine with it dying after
a short run, as if it ran out of fuel. The fuse blew again while
testing around the #1 injector and the valve I mentioned above. I had
not attempted to start the engine nor was the ignition on. I have been
using a pushbutton switch to briefly connect the negative cable and
the negative post of the battery.

I checked the internal resistence across the injector and it shows 14
ohms as does the #2 injector. I have the rear seat cushion pulled up
and do not hear the fuel pump trying to run.

Not having a schematic I am at a loss to know where to look next
(other than having it towed to a dealer for repair). I also dropped
the panel under the dash to get to the relays but again with no
schematic I don't know how they are wired.

Thanks in advance for any help.
The Malt Hound - 07 Mar 2005 14:31 GMT
> 2.3L FI engine
> 125K miles
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> cable
> and checked current. 1.5A draw.

Well, that explains the dead battery.

> After some experimentation with the ignition OFF, I determined that
> the #1 fuel injector is turning on when the battery is connected and
> there was a humming sound from a valve in a bypass hose that runs
> from
> above to below the throttle plate.

The bypass hose valve is the Idle Control valve and this does contain
a solenoid that hums when it is active.

> During subsequent checks I found the fuel pump fuse blown. After
> replacing the fuse I was able to start the engine with it dying
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> the panel under the dash to get to the relays but again with no
> schematic I don't know how they are wired.

Neither of these circuits (fuel injection, IAC valve) should be
"alive" when the keyswitch is in the off position.  This makes me
think that, at a minimum, your key switch is FUBAR.  AFAIR the control
voltages for these devices come from the ECU, so in the event that you
figure out what's wrong with that, you may still have other problems.
Sounds like a good problem to bring to a good independant mechanic /
troubleshooter.  Schematics would seem to be an absolute requirement.

-Fred W
Lou - 07 Mar 2005 18:13 GMT
>Neither of these circuits (fuel injection, IAC valve) should be
>"alive" when the keyswitch is in the off position.  This makes me
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>
>-Fred W

I kind of discount the ign switch at this point because nothing else
is acting up.

I went to the public library today and now I have copies of what I
think are the pertinent circuits. I'll try to keep the group posted on
what I find. Time to go back out to the barn with papers in hand....

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