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Paul Halliday - 08 Mar 2005 21:50 GMT
I'm looking for an oil catch tank solution for the crankcase ventilation
system on my 1989 900 T8. I'm getting oil dripping down onto the fuel
metering plate and into the airbox. I'd like to (a) stop it and (b) get a
handle on how much oil ... I don't seem to need to top up at all really;
maybe a "gloop" now and again.

My garage suggested a mega-cheap option of using a drink "flask" like for a
mountain bike, venting it and running a pipe from the crankcase into the
bottle. Block up the vac pipe and the return pipe that goes down to the
pre-turbo plastic pipe and "job jobbed". Not to be-little the excellent
advice and work my garage do, I'm looking for something a little more
professional looking to run in-line with the existing system.

I've found this http://tinyurl.com/6gylv at Quiller Triumph, which seems to
be about as much as I'd want to spend if I had to buy new. I've also
discovered that a very similar system exists on the Volvo 240 (B23F engine,
to be precise) ... Now if I could find one in a scrap yard ...

It occurred to me that maybe SAAB do exactly what I want, perhaps on the
9-5? Can anyone point me to any pictures of the full SAAB PCV system for the
9-3/9-5? Anyone got any other ideas or suggestions?

TIA,

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Robert - 08 Mar 2005 23:18 GMT
> I'm looking for an oil catch tank solution for the crankcase ventilation
> system on my 1989 900 T8. I'm getting oil dripping down onto the fuel
> metering plate and into the airbox. I'd like to (a) stop it and (b) get a
> handle on how much oil ... I don't seem to need to top up at all really;
> maybe a "gloop" now and again.
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Paul, I've had oil drops come from the valve cover ventilation hose to
the air filter canister and clog the filter on my cars. But this was on
single carb 900 and 99 cars (had one of each).

Don't know if the following is applicable to the turbo models but here
goes: if the valve cover on turbo models has a hose running from the
centre to the airbox ...

... then you could have a partially clogged mesh screen in the valve
cover. You can't see the screen, but if you remove the valve cover (I'll
assume there's some kind of Hall effect distributor that you have to
align to top dead centre before taking the cover off) you'll find the
slot on the inside, leading to the screen, leading to the round hole out
to the hose. When the screen clogs, there will be too much pressure in
the crankcase, causing oil to condense when reaching the space under the
valve cover. The resulting liquid runs down the tube into the airbox.

A good way to clean the screen is to remove the valve cover, invert it
on the garage floor, pour a small amount of petrol into the slot leading
to the screen, let it run through the circular hole out to a bucket,
repeat process until petrol runs freely through slot/screen. Dry off,
reassembly is reverse of disassembly as they say in the Haynes world,
and presto you should have no more oil dripping into your airbox anymore.

Oh yeah - forgot to say - clean the hose leading from the valve cover to
the airbox, petrol is a good idea again.

Tell us how it goes.

/Robert
chris - 09 Mar 2005 15:52 GMT
>> I'm looking for an oil catch tank solution for the crankcase ventilation
>> system on my 1989 900 T8. I'm getting oil dripping down onto the fuel
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> air filter canister and clog the filter on my cars. But this was on single
> carb 900 and 99 cars (had one of each).

I think nearly all of my 8v 99/900's carb or injection had some small amount
of oil in the airbox.

suppose you could vent to atmosphere....
Paul Halliday - 09 Mar 2005 21:48 GMT
>>> I'm looking for an oil catch tank solution for the crankcase ventilation
>>> system on my 1989 900 T8. I'm getting oil dripping down onto the fuel
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> suppose you could vent to atmosphere....

Yeah ... But I'm getting oil actually on the fuel metering plate and I'm not
sure that's a "good thing" :(

I've actually just this minute tried a VTA test. I blocked up the vac line
at the intake manifold and the end of the hose that comes from the top of
the crankcase. I then stuffed a breather filter into the hole and .... It
stalled ...

I adjusted the throttle stop screw and it seemed to idle okay. What happens
then? Is that okay? Can anyone see any problems with that?

Ideally, I'd like to put a catch tank inline into the system. So, idiot
questions:

1. What does the vac line *actually* do? Yes, I know it sucks at idle and
prevents boost entering the crankcase by using a one-way valve ... But what
does it actually do?

2. Do I need it? Can I just stump up the basic idle and have done with that
part of the system? If so ... Do I need to do the catch tank installation,
or is venting to atmosphere okay? I know there's a performance gain
associated with doing that, but I have a road car not a track car!

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dexter J - 09 Mar 2005 22:13 GMT
Salutations:

>>>> I'm looking for an oil catch tank solution for the crankcase  
>>>> ventilation
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> 1989 900 Turbo S
> http://saab.go.dyndns.org/

Hey brother Paul - I'm afraid I don't have the answers to the particular  
questions. However I wanted to let you know that I had what I thought was  
a similar problem on an old 99 engine which turned out not to be vent oil  
at all - but simply condensing fuel varnish weeping down the manifold  
walls when it got damp enough.

While the system required an annual wipe and clean when I did the filter -  
my wrench at the time said I shouldn't be bugged too deeply by it.

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Paul Halliday - 10 Mar 2005 20:13 GMT
> Salutations:
>
[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>> or is venting to atmosphere okay? I know there's a performance gain
>> associated with doing that, but I have a road car not a track car!

> Hey brother Paul - I'm afraid I don't have the answers to the particular
> questions. However I wanted to let you know that I had what I thought was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> While the system required an annual wipe and clean when I did the filter -
> my wrench at the time said I shouldn't be bugged too deeply by it.

Yup! I'm kind of bothered, because I clean my air filter about every 3
months and the metering plate is always covered with oil. Anyway, I've been
running without the PCV vac pipe today and a filter stuffed into the
crankcase. Seems to run fine ... Even a little sportier!

I've got the design for my homebrew catch tank finalised, so I'll pick up
the bits at the weekend and get it made. I know I shouldn't worry, but I'm a
dog with a new bone and want to see this crazy idea out ... I'll probably
put it back to stock in 6 months time, but it keeps me off the streets and
away from hard drugs :) :) :)

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Robert - 10 Mar 2005 21:49 GMT
---8<---cutting lots of previous

> I've got the design for my homebrew catch tank finalised, so I'll pick up
> the bits at the weekend and get it made.
---8<---cut

Paul, pls answer one thing. Did you clean out the screen in the valve
cover yet, as I recommended?

This catch tank stuff appears to be overkill to say the least, should be
completely unnecessary.

Robert
pjgh - 11 Mar 2005 11:12 GMT
Robert - I've not pulled the cam cover yet. I'll do that at the weekend
when a have a few clear hours. I need to renew the larger PCV hose,
since it has gone old and brittle, but I'll clean down throught the
remainder of that hose too. That hose on the turbo is a little more
complicated, since it actually runs through parts of the coolant hosing
(the heat from the coolant hose warms the pipe up); it's not just a
straight run, as per injection or carb models.
John Hudson - 12 Mar 2005 08:05 GMT
On the Maestro diesels (In the UK of course) a unique catch tank was fitted
to separate any air from the fuel. If you could find one from a breakers I
think it would suit your purpose.

> ---8<---cutting lots of previous
> >
> > I've got the design for my homebrew catch tank finalised, so I'll pick up
> > the bits at the weekend and get it made.
> ---8<---cut
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 22 Mar 2005 12:13 GMT
>  On the Maestro diesels (In the UK of course) a unique catch tank was fitted
> to separate any air from the fuel. If you could find one from a breakers I
> think it would suit your purpose.

And I think Halfords do an oil filler kit (yes filler kit) that is
adaptable to a catch tank.

This is an article for the Toyota Celica GT4, but the GT4 PCV breathes
rather heavily on the earlier cars, and only the last model (st205) had
a catch can as standard.

http://www.gtfours.co.uk/how_to/catch_can/catch_can.htm

Might be easy nough to do on a Saab using the same filler kit as a catch
can.

I've seen beer cans and epoxied on circular tops being used in the same
way.
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