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Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2005

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Vintage SAAB Quiz: What's wrong with this picture?

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Paul Halliday - 16 Mar 2005 20:54 GMT
There are four things wrong with this picture:
http://tinyurl.com/5lcot

... Maybe more?

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dave Hinz - 16 Mar 2005 21:06 GMT
> There are four things wrong with this picture:
> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot

"GM Powered", it's a Sonett 1, the year is very wrong, and, er,
I don't know.  Maybe the class is wrong?  

> ... Maybe more?

Probably.  What else do folks see?
Paul Halliday - 17 Mar 2005 01:22 GMT
>> There are four things wrong with this picture:
>> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Probably.  What else do folks see?

He's quick ... You overlooked a real newbie error :)

Yup, "GM Powered" ... Still, it could have been worse if it was running a
Ford V4, rather than the DKW. It is a Sonett I ... It's not a 1966 model ...
And ...
Dave Hinz - 17 Mar 2005 16:20 GMT
>>> There are four things wrong with this picture:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Yup, "GM Powered" ... Still, it could have been worse if it was running a
> Ford V4, rather than the DKW.

Weeeellll, it's not technically a DKW engine at that point, although the
internal measurements are identical.  It's a Saab block by then.

> It is a Sonett I ... It's not a 1966 model ...
> And ...

Yes, it really is RHD, if that's where you're going?  I thought the hood
emblem was too new, but it's not...
Paul Halliday - 17 Mar 2005 19:21 GMT
>>>> There are four things wrong with this picture:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Weeeellll, it's not technically a DKW engine at that point, although the
> internal measurements are identical.  It's a Saab block by then.

>> It is a Sonett I ... It's not a 1966 model ...
>> And ...
>
> Yes, it really is RHD, if that's where you're going?  I thought the hood
> emblem was too new, but it's not...

Nope ... More basic than that! REEEEEAAAAALL newbie :) Both you and Johanes
know the answer ... You keep writing the word. If I was a bit more clever,
I'd write it as a 14 line verse.

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dave Hinz - 17 Mar 2005 19:24 GMT
> Nope ... More basic than that! REEEEEAAAAALL newbie :) Both you and Johanes
> know the answer ... You keep writing the word. If I was a bit more clever,
> I'd write it as a 14 line verse.

Oh, FFS, I see it now.  Nice...
Johannes H Andersen - 17 Mar 2005 20:21 GMT
> >>>> There are four things wrong with this picture:
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> Paul

I zeee! And my name is not spellet johanes either.
Per Laursen - 17 Mar 2005 21:37 GMT
Hmm:  Sonnet -> Sonett ?
/Per
Goran Larsson - 16 Mar 2005 23:05 GMT
> There are four things wrong with this picture:
> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
>
> ... Maybe more?

I didn't continue looking after the first wrong thing -- the url.
The tinyurl entity is *evil* and I will never follow any of their
suspect links.

| Hide your affiliate URLs
|
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
| from the visitor, only the tinyurl.com address and the ending address
| will be visible to your visitors.

Why should anyone trust these urls after reading this text on tinyurl.com?

Please post plain links so we can have a fair chance of pre-judging the
contents of the link destination.

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G?ran Larsson     http://www.mitt-eget.com/saab/

Dave Hinz - 16 Mar 2005 23:12 GMT
>> There are four things wrong with this picture:
>> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The tinyurl entity is *evil* and I will never follow any of their
> suspect links.

If it wasn't someone like Paul, I wouldn't have trusted it to follow
it.

Dima - 17 Mar 2005 02:13 GMT
Could we get back to the original topic? I also noticed the wrong year, Saab
I and
the GM reference, but what else is wrong?

-Dima

>>> There are four things wrong with this picture:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> If it wasn't someone like Paul, I wouldn't have trusted it to follow
> it.
Shane Almeida - 16 Mar 2005 23:20 GMT
> I didn't continue looking after the first wrong thing -- the url.
> The tinyurl entity is *evil* and I will never follow any of their
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Why should anyone trust these urls after reading this text on tinyurl.com?

Because some people aren't overly paranoid?  Long URLs are a hassle,
especially in email and newsgroups where things can be wrapped
unpredictably.  Having a nice short URL is convenient because I can copy
it from my text-only news reader and paste it to my browser without
worrying about line breaks messing things up.

> Please post plain links so we can have a fair chance of pre-judging the
> contents of the link destination.

http://www.pjgh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/saab/misc/Vintage%20SAAB%20Quiz.jpg
Dave Hinz - 16 Mar 2005 23:26 GMT
>> I didn't continue looking after the first wrong thing -- the url.
>> The tinyurl entity is *evil* and I will never follow any of their
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Because some people aren't overly paranoid?  Long URLs are a hassle,

copy/paste works equally well with a character, or a line.

> especially in email and newsgroups where things can be wrapped
> unpredictably.

A URL is pretty easy to recognize wrap in, and to reconstruct.

> Having a nice short URL is convenient because I can copy
> it from my text-only news reader and paste it to my browser without
> worrying about line breaks messing things up.

Or, wrap it <like this> and that works too.  Or let people fix wrap
if their newsreader causes it; this won't be new to them.

Goran's point about it being used to hide affiliate links is valid.
Someone I know well and trust, such as Paul, I don't worry about that
from.  Some random link from some random person?  Nope, I'll pass.
And if it _is_ an affiliate link or the message smells spammy, I'll
investigate and report.  Amazon, in particular, really really doesn't
like affiliates who spam, for instance.
John B - 16 Mar 2005 23:44 GMT
> copy/paste works equally well with a character, or a line.

True, but I hate having to copy and paste repeatedly, switching back and forth
between my web browser and ssh session. In addition, IMHO email and usenet
articles should contain lines of no more than 80 characters anyway.

> Goran's point about it being used to hide affiliate links is valid.
> Someone I know well and trust, such as Paul, I don't worry about that
> from.  Some random link from some random person?  Nope, I'll pass.

Perhaps a good compromise would be to provide both the original URL and a
shortened version, and let the reader decide which to use.

John
Dave Hinz - 16 Mar 2005 23:55 GMT
>> copy/paste works equally well with a character, or a line.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Perhaps a good compromise would be to provide both the original URL and a
> shortened version, and let the reader decide which to use.

Yup, or just know that there's a real and valid reason people don't
trust them from unknown sources.
Paul Halliday - 17 Mar 2005 01:17 GMT
>> Please post plain links so we can have a fair chance of pre-judging the
>> contents of the link destination.
>
> http://www.pjgh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/saab/misc/Vintage%20SAAB%20Quiz.jpg

Please post plain links ...
Please don't post long links ...
Please post both ...

Well, what am I to do?

Anyway, back to the point in hand since that's obviously going nowhere.
What's wrong with the picture in the link that Shane has kindly reposted in
full (hopefully it's not wrapped badly for some of your newsreaders, since
it is a long link) ... Should I repost his return e-mail address without the
*evil* bits? Or is that just pedantic?

Well, I can see four things wrong with the picture, so lets get talking
SAABs, eh?

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Paul Halliday - 17 Mar 2005 01:25 GMT
>>> Please post plain links so we can have a fair chance of pre-judging the
>>> contents of the link destination.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Well, what am I to do?

Sorry ... That spleen venting wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. My
apologies if I offended any of you. I was actually smiling when I typed it,
but it doesn't read that way!

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dave Hinz - 17 Mar 2005 16:18 GMT
>>> Please post plain links so we can have a fair chance of pre-judging the
>>> contents of the link destination.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Please don't post long links ...
> Please post both ...

> Well, what am I to do?

Long links aren't really a problem to anyone with even a partial clue,
in my opinion.  tinyurl's aren't a problem when they're from a trusted
person (you, for example), again, in my opinion.

> Well, I can see four things wrong with the picture, so lets get talking
> SAABs, eh?

How'd I do?

Dave
T - 18 Mar 2005 10:41 GMT
>>I didn't continue looking after the first wrong thing -- the url.
>>The tinyurl entity is *evil* and I will never follow any of their
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>Please post plain links so we can have a fair chance of pre-judging the
>>contents of the link destination.

 <http://www.pjgh.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/saab/misc/Vintage%20SAAB%20Quiz.jpg>

I agree with being troubled by tinyURLs being the only link posted.

As I have demonstrated it helps to bracket the URL with corresponding
characters, in most cases this will defeat wordwrap.

Best to post both if you can be bothered.

Thx for the link in the 1st place though,
TBerk
Johannes H Andersen - 17 Mar 2005 12:51 GMT
> > There are four things wrong with this picture:
> > http://tinyurl.com/5lcot
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Why should anyone trust these urls after reading this text on tinyurl.com?

Seconded! Tinyurl is completely pointless. For security reasons, I never
follow a tinyurl.
Retroed Bob - 17 Mar 2005 14:59 GMT
>Seconded! Tinyurl is completely pointless. For security reasons, I never
>follow a tinyurl.

I'm not sure there's any security value to _not_ following a tinyurl.
It's no more "good or evil" than any other link you might follow.
Johannes H Andersen - 17 Mar 2005 15:07 GMT
> >Seconded! Tinyurl is completely pointless. For security reasons, I never
> >follow a tinyurl.
>
> I'm not sure there's any security value to _not_ following a tinyurl.
> It's no more "good or evil" than any other link you might follow.

But they are still pointless. As you said: "I'm are not sure...".
In fact that's the whole point! We don't know every weakness in our OS,
browser etc., new security holes are discovered every day. I don't think
posters of tinyurl are necessarily ill intended, but displaying the real
url allow a second opinion.
Dave Hinz - 17 Mar 2005 16:23 GMT
>>Seconded! Tinyurl is completely pointless. For security reasons, I never
>>follow a tinyurl.
>
> I'm not sure there's any security value to _not_ following a tinyurl.
> It's no more "good or evil" than any other link you might follow.

Well, let's say I'm at work, and follow one that takes me to a site
that my employer has decided needs to be blocked for one of several
various legitimate reasons.  Now, I've got a "hit" for going somewhere
that I shouldn't.  If the URL is obfuscated by being hidden in a
tinyurl, I don't have knowledge of where I'm going to have informed
consent before going there.

If you run a good browser (anything but IE) or a secure OS (anything
but windows), the actual system security issues are minimized to say
the least, but it's just a "I don't know what I'm getting into" kind of
thing.  Again, from someone like Paul, I'm not going to worry, if it's
from someone unknown, I'll ignore it & go on.  Defeats the purpose of
sharing a link if people won't click on it.
 
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