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Where is PCV on '86 900 8v?

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P K - 11 Apr 2005 00:02 GMT
I think I neeed to replace my PCV check valve, again.
Last time my mechanic did the job, to solve stalling at idle.
Now it seems to be happening again, and he is now too far away?
Is this an easy do-it-youtself job, just a part swap?
I looked at the valve cover area to try to locate, but no luck.
Thanks
--Paul
MH - 11 Apr 2005 20:51 GMT
> I think I neeed to replace my PCV check valve, again.
> Last time my mechanic did the job, to solve stalling at idle.

Did that solve anything?

> Now it seems to be happening again, and he is now too far away?
> Is this an easy do-it-youtself job, just a part swap?
> I looked at the valve cover area to try to locate, but no luck.

Only on the Turbo models, it's a thimble size plastic thingy in a vacuum
line from the valve cover to the intake manifold.

--
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i 16
http://go.to/saab96
P K - 11 Apr 2005 23:08 GMT
> > I think I neeed to replace my PCV check valve, again.
> > Last time my mechanic did the job, to solve stalling at idle.
>
> Did that solve anything?

Yep, the stalling was corrected.

> > Now it seems to be happening again, and he is now too far away?
> > Is this an easy do-it-youtself job, just a part swap?
> > I looked at the valve cover area to try to locate, but no luck.
>
> Only on the Turbo models, it's a thimble size plastic thingy in a vacuum
> line from the valve cover to the intake manifold.

It was done on my 900 8v, NON-turbo.

> --
> MH
> '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
> '91 900i 16
> http://go.to/saab96
Craig's Saab C9000 Site - 12 Apr 2005 05:53 GMT
>> > Now it seems to be happening again, and he is now too far away?
>> > Is this an easy do-it-youtself job, just a part swap?
>> > I looked at the valve cover area to try to locate, but no luck.
>>
>> Only on the Turbo models, it's a thimble size plastic thingy in a vacuum
>> line from the valve cover to the intake manifold.

>It was done on my 900 8v, NON-turbo.

That's strange. Neither of my running 8V NA C900's have PCV's in the
cylinder head breather line, but since Saab made 8V C900's right up until
1988 or 1989, they might have been fitted on cars made in the last few years
for all models (not just those with turbo's)? Just a thought.

But the question is then why would a non-turbo 8V engine need a PCV - anyone
privy to inside Saab design knowledge of the mid to late 1980's able to shed
some light on this?

One possibility - the engine might have originally been fitted with a turbo
but had it removed even though the PCV was left in. This sounds fairly
unlikely but it is a possibility.

Craig.
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MH - 12 Apr 2005 19:29 GMT
> > Only on the Turbo models, it's a thimble size plastic thingy in a vacuum
> > line from the valve cover to the intake manifold.

> It was done on my 900 8v, NON-turbo.

Are we talking about the same thing?
This is a PCV (positive crankcase ventilation) check valve;
http://members.home.nl/mhilvers/pcvcheckvalve.jpg
from my previous '87 900T8. (It's about 4 cm long x 1.5 cm wide, maybe a 1
euro part.)

My current '91 900i/16 non turbo, has no PCV valve, there is no need for it
as there is always partial vacuum in the inlet manifold, contrary to a turbo
where there may be overpressure. For the PCV to work, there must be a check
valve in the vacuum line to prevent boost pressure getting under the valve
cover and into the crankcase.

My 900i actually has two vacuum lines; one thick one from the valve cover to
just before the throttle opening, and a thin one from the valve cover to the
inlet manifold. Both lines share the valve cover connection. The thin line
shares the manifold connection with the line to the carbon cannister.

--
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i 16
http://go.to/saab96
P K - 13 Apr 2005 00:06 GMT
> > > Only on the Turbo models, it's a thimble size plastic thingy in a vacuum
> > > line from the valve cover to the intake manifold.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> inlet manifold. Both lines share the valve cover connection. The thin line
> shares the manifold connection with the line to the carbon cannister.

Yep, that's what it looks like on mine ( again '86 900 8v NON-turbo).
By the way, I re-seated the oil filler cap and valve cover nipple of
above dscribed vacuum lines and the stalling problem went away. I
remember reading soem where is there was a vacuum/air leak in this
system that stalling/rough idling occurs. I guess that's correct.
--Paul
MH - 13 Apr 2005 18:48 GMT
> I re-seated the oil filler cap and valve cover nipple of
> above dscribed vacuum lines and the stalling problem went away.

Yes, that's what cured it, not replacing the check valve. A non turbo should
run fine with or without it. Furtunately it's not a E200 part...

>  I remember reading soem where is there was a vacuum/air leak in this
> system that stalling/rough idling occurs. I guess that's correct.

Obviously, if there is an air leak somewhere behind the throttle body, the
mixture gets too lean and the engine will starve, specially at low rpm.

--
MH
'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i 16
http://go.to/saab96
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 14 Apr 2005 03:38 GMT
>> I re-seated the oil filler cap and valve cover nipple of
>> above dscribed vacuum lines and the stalling problem went away.

>Yes, that's what cured it, not replacing the check valve. A non turbo should
>run fine with or without it. Furtunately it's not a E200 part...

>>  I remember reading soem where is there was a vacuum/air leak in this
>> system that stalling/rough idling occurs. I guess that's correct.

>Obviously, if there is an air leak somewhere behind the throttle body, the
>mixture gets too lean and the engine will starve, specially at low rpm.

This might somehow relate to the problem I've been having with my 8V NA 1985
900i which idles very slow when cold, and is fine once the engine warms up.
I already have replaced almost all the small-bore vacuum hoses with silicone
ones (testing the old ones as I go to see if they're cracked or blocked, but
none have been), and I have found that the +12 volt feed from the fuse panel
coming from the fuel-pump relay to the warm-up regulator and auxilliary air
valve is broken, but jumpering around that with a new piece of wire made
those devices work, but the engine idle is still far too low (around 500
rpm) when cold.

Some of you would have been following the thread I started at Saabscene
about it which can be found at:

http://www.saabscene.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/3/1285.html

Note that there isn't a PCV in the cylinder cover breather line of the car
that I'm trying to solve this problem on.

Regards,

Craig.
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