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Gemini Jackson - 28 Apr 2005 13:37 GMT
Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
~GJ~
Dave Hinz - 28 Apr 2005 15:24 GMT
> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.

Stop buying GE bulbs.
Gemini Jackson - 29 Apr 2005 15:44 GMT
>> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
>
>Stop buying GE bulbs.

Interesting.  I'm not really sure what type I bought.  I have the box
in the trunk.  So, is there a 'saab friendly' bulb that's proven to be
more reliable?

~GJ~
Dave Hinz - 29 Apr 2005 15:50 GMT
>>> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>>> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
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> in the trunk.  So, is there a 'saab friendly' bulb that's proven to be
> more reliable?

It's just a guess, but I could never keep GE bulbs in my c900 for
any length of time.  Particularly annoying/amusing since I worked
for GE (Medical) at the time.

For the record, you can't use GE lightbulbs in the scan room of a GE
MRI scanner either - it puts horizontal streaks in the images.  Need
to use Philips bulbs (a maker of a competing MRI scanner).  Had some
fun with that one too ;)
Malt_Hound - 29 Apr 2005 19:00 GMT
>>>>Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>>>>couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
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> any length of time.  Particularly annoying/amusing since I worked
> for GE (Medical) at the time.

In lovely Waukesha, no doubt.

> For the record, you can't use GE lightbulbs in the scan room of a GE
> MRI scanner either - it puts horizontal streaks in the images.  Need
> to use Philips bulbs (a maker of a competing MRI scanner).  Had some
> fun with that one too ;)

For the record Dave?  Nonsense.  I still do work in MRI and it's not the
brand of bulb that matters.  It's what's driving the bulbs.  You can't
use AC lighting in a storng magnetic field because the filaments will
vibrate at 60hz and fragment.  GE bulbs are as good as any in a magnet room.

-Fred W
Dave Hinz - 29 Apr 2005 19:33 GMT

>> It's just a guess, but I could never keep GE bulbs in my c900 for
>> any length of time.  Particularly annoying/amusing since I worked
>> for GE (Medical) at the time.
>
> In lovely Waukesha, no doubt.

That's the place.  Good place to, er, be from.  Looks great on a
resume.  Met a lot of good people there.  You can see what I'm
saying by what I'm not saying on this one.

>> For the record, you can't use GE lightbulbs in the scan room of a GE
>> MRI scanner either - it puts horizontal streaks in the images.  Need
>> to use Philips bulbs (a maker of a competing MRI scanner).  Had some
>> fun with that one too ;)

> For the record Dave?  Nonsense.  I still do work in MRI and it's not the
> brand of bulb that matters.  It's what's driving the bulbs.  You can't
> use AC lighting in a storng magnetic field because the filaments will
> vibrate at 60hz and fragment.  GE bulbs are as good as any in a magnet room.

Sorry, but not nonsense. The GE bulbs gave zippers on 1.5T systems.
This was 1992-ish, maybe GE has changed their filament design since.
But, the site install specs called out Philips bulbs, with part number.
DC, as I recall.

At the time, the root cause analysis was that the filament in the
GE bulb was (thinner and more tightly coiled) while the Philips bulb
was thicker and more gently coiled, or the other way around.
I'm trying to dredge up the name of the guy who explained it to me.  Howes
would remember, McCabe probably would too.  And I'm pretty sure it
wasn't just mobiles, so any of the MedFacs guys from back then could
back it up as well...

So which of the two Freds are you?  I'm guessing you live in Farmington?

Dave
Pooh Bear - 30 Apr 2005 03:00 GMT
> the filaments will vibrate at 60hz

In your country - I guess it'll be 60 Hz. Don't forget that there's a whole world
out there ! Much of it ( possibly even most ) being 50 Hz.

Graham
Gemini Jackson - 29 Apr 2005 21:19 GMT
>> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
>
>Stop buying GE bulbs.

The new one's are Sylvania.  Can't remember what the old ones were.

~GJ~
Colin Stamp - 29 Apr 2005 21:44 GMT
>>> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>>> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
>>
>>Stop buying GE bulbs.
>
>The new one's are Sylvania.  Can't remember what the old ones were.

Is it always the same headlight that fails?

Cheers,

Colin.
Gemini Jackson - 29 Apr 2005 23:17 GMT
>>>> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>>>> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
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>
>Colin.

Nope.
~GJ~
Colin Stamp - 30 Apr 2005 10:11 GMT
>>Is it always the same headlight that fails?
>>
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>
>Nope.

Ah. Not wat I thought it might be then.

Cheers,

Colin.
Malt_Hound - 01 May 2005 11:39 GMT
>>>>>Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>>>>>couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Nope.
> ~GJ~

Try checking the regulated voltage from the alternator.  If the voltage
is running high or fluctuating high, it will cause higher current draw
through the bulb which will cause the filament to wear out faster.  You
might just a have a bad regulator.

-Fred W
Pooh Bear - 30 Apr 2005 03:05 GMT
> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.

What's the battery voltage with the alternator charging ? Questionable
alternator perhaps ?

Bulb life is *highly* affected by voltage. It's something like a 3rd or
4th power term IIRC.

Graham
Gemini Jackson - 01 May 2005 15:20 GMT
>> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
>> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Graham

Sounds like a good place to start.  I eplaced the alternator sometime
last summer.  Now that was a pain!  I'll check out the voltage today.
Many thanks to all!
~GJ~
saabturbo - 07 May 2005 19:42 GMT
> Anyone know of a problem with the NG's having headlight issues?  Every
> couple of months I have to replace mine.  I have a 97 900se.
> ~GJ~

I've seen this happen when the bulb moves while driving - i.e. loose in the
socket or the whole headlight assembly is loose.  Other factors could be
moisture getting at the bulb?  There is also the obvious one of handling the
bulb with the fingers when installing.....
 
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