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What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic engineering vs American, Japanese, German? I expect those 9-7's to sit on the lots. Dan > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan At $40k a copy? No doubt they will. -Fred W > > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Fred W Fred, Well, I got 2 new Saab videos. 1 is an Advertisement in the U.S. market, the other is a Promotional video that I doubt will see T.V., but I actually like it a lot!!! http://www.securearchitecture.com/saab/saab_videos.html Look in the 2005 section. These are the ONLY 2 videos I have online. The Ad is 8MB and the Promo is 30MB. You need the Divx plugin to see these (http://www.divx.com). It is free to download. Then just play in Windows Media Player after installing. SaabGuy > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic > engineering vs American, Japanese, German? I suspect the problem is that most people aren't buying Saabs at all, Nordic engineering or not, and GM is trying to fix that by offering "Saabs" in the form Americans seem to like (i.e. luxury SUVs). Saab lovers might buy Saabs for the engineering (and perhaps the quirks), but most buyers just don't care about that stuff. > I expect those 9-7's to sit on the lots. I bet they'll do better than the 9-2x. SUVs are a lot more popular than whatever class the 9-2x falls in. > > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I bet they'll do better than the 9-2x. SUVs are a lot more popular than > whatever class the 9-2x falls in. Well, I got 2 new Saab videos. 1 is an Advertisement in the U.S. market, the other is a Promotional video that I doubt will see T.V., but I actually like it a lot!!! http://www.securearchitecture.com/saab/saab_videos.html Look in the 2005 section. These are the ONLY 2 videos I have online. The Ad is 8MB and the Promo is 30MB. You need the Divx plugin to see these (http://www.divx.com). It is free to download. Then just play in Windows Media Player after installing. SaabGuy > > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I bet they'll do better than the 9-2x. SUVs are a lot more popular than > whatever class the 9-2x falls in. Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by complete idiots over the next decade. > Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been > plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by > complete idiots over the next decade. I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. > > Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been > > plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by > > complete idiots over the next decade. > > > I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. If you drive 20,000 miles a year at the proposed road charge £1.34/mile, then the cost of purchasing the car becomes comparatively insignificant ;-0 > > > Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been > > > plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you drive 20,000 miles a year at the proposed road charge £1.34/mile, > then the cost of purchasing the car becomes comparatively insignificant ;-0 What is a road charge and where?? Interesting..interesting indeed SaabGuy > > > > Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been > > > > plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Interesting..interesting indeed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4610877.stm I think it's a foolish idea. Roads are public investment, and like any machinery should be optimally used. >> Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been >> plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by >> complete idiots over the next decade. >> >I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. Lol. well here in Australia you're talking A$50k plus for low-end luxury SUV's (from cheap-end makers!), and if you want to go all the way, it's not hard to get a price tag of A$100k and up for stuff like top end SUV's and AUV's. Even 'soccer mum' toy 4wd's and suv's have high asking prices but I think a lot of that is the fairly high customs and other import-related costs. I'd like to see what it costs to import a Saab to Australia before Australian customs charges and other tariff's, etc. are added along with the wholesaler and retailer's markups. Regards, Craig.  SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page --> http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 Sydney, NSW Australia Craig's Saab C900 Workshop -- For all Saab C900 Enthusiasts world-wide! http://www.saab900classic.net http://www.saab900.org c900@lios.apana.org.au Come and explore our site, and check out our web-forums, mailing list, etc. > > Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been > > plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by > > complete idiots over the next decade. > > > I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. Quite a few idiots are in posession of large amounts of money, they're the most dangerous type. They come into it through chance, inheritence and marriage, there's also people who while they may not be idiots, certainly appear to be trying to show they are through the way they drive. > > > Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been > > > plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > marriage, there's also people who while they may not be idiots, certainly > appear to be trying to show they are through the way they drive. Yes it's very odd that at times when oil is running out, the 4x4 cars are becoming popular with the middle classes. Naturally, any manufacturer worth their salt respond to demand; somehow the goal posts move along as they've always done. Fifty years ago, a tiny 750cc Renault 4CV with a roof rack was an acceptable family car. It may may be that people feel safer in a high and heavy car. But secondary safety is at the expense of primary safety since 4x4s are more likely to roll over and brake distances are longer. > Yes it's very odd that at times when oil is running out, the 4x4 cars > are becoming popular with the middle classes. We've been "running out" of oil for decades. The estimates for how many years the oil reserves will last has been nearly constant since the 70s. >>Yes it's very odd that at times when oil is running out, the 4x4 cars >>are becoming popular with the middle classes. > > We've been "running out" of oil for decades. The estimates for how many > years the oil reserves will last has been nearly constant since the 70s. That's because they have discovered new reserves using new exploration technology. But the supply is finite and with terrorism on the front burner for now, oil will stay over $40US for the foreseeable future. Just think that 5-7 years ago oil was trading at $20US. >> We've been "running out" of oil for decades. The estimates for how many >> years the oil reserves will last has been nearly constant since the 70s. > That's because they have discovered new reserves using new exploration > technology. But the supply is finite and with terrorism on the front > burner for now, oil will stay over $40US for the foreseeable future. > Just think that 5-7 years ago oil was trading at $20US. Not too long before bio-fuels are economically feasable for mainstream use. Then, we can give our money to the farmers in our country, rather than people who want to kill us. Yes, it's an oversimplification, but if biofuels were more widespread (biodiesel for diesel engines, more alcohol for gasoline engines), we could benefit in so many ways, without changing _any_ of the infrastructure to get there. > Not too long before bio-fuels are economically feasable for mainstream > use. Then, we can give our money to the farmers in our country, rather > than people who want to kill us. Yes, it's an oversimplification, but > if biofuels were more widespread (biodiesel for diesel engines, more > alcohol for gasoline engines), we could benefit in so many ways, without > changing _any_ of the infrastructure to get there. It's a wonderful idea, though I do wonder how many biofuels are really fuels in that they can be produced using less energy than you get by burning them. Same goes for hydrogen, I hear people talking about it as our savior and the fuel of the future but to make hydrogen you need a lot more energy than you get when you burn it. Hopefully some of the alternative fuels prove viable. >> Not too long before bio-fuels are economically feasable for mainstream >> use. Then, we can give our money to the farmers in our country, rather >> than people who want to kill us. > > It's a wonderful idea, though I do wonder how many biofuels are really fuels > in that they can be produced using less energy than you get by burning them. Well, like any other crop, the economical factors determine when it's feasable or not. A biofuel, ultimately, is just an organic solar collector and energy transport. If that land was going to be used for something else, then the loss of that crop (if any) has to be considered as well. Nice thing about dollars, is that it evens all of those variables out. > Same goes for hydrogen, I hear people talking about it as our savior and the > fuel of the future but to make hydrogen you need a lot more energy than you > get when you burn it. Hopefully some of the alternative fuels prove viable. Hydrogen is _not_ a fuel, it's a battery. You have to expend more energy to make it, than you get when you burn it. Period. It's strictly a way to displace pollution from the areas that consume, to wherever the electricity is made which is then used to produce the hydrogen. That's entirely different from a fuel, which inherently has energy that you didn't explicitly expend to produce that fuel. Personally, I'd like to see the government subsidize research and production for biofuels. Gets us over the immediate energy shortfall, economies of scale can start kicking in, and it's a hell of a lot better than some of the other stupid stuff our government is wasting our money on, with no long-term gains in sight. >>> Yes it's very odd that at times when oil is running out, the 4x4 cars >>> are becoming popular with the middle classes. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > burner for now, oil will stay over $40US for the foreseeable future. > Just think that 5-7 years ago oil was trading at $20US. yeah, and so was just about everything else... -Fred W > Quite a few idiots are in posession of large amounts of money, they're the > most dangerous type. They come into it through chance, inheritence and > marriage, there's also people who while they may not be idiots, certainly > appear to be trying to show they are through the way they drive. All the complete idiots I know have made their money by their efforts and intelligence, certainly none have gained money the easy ways James mentions. Two of them have built businesses from nothing and are now extremely wealthy. Of course they aren't as clever as we Saab owners who always drive perfectly. My neighbours have 5 bedrooms against my 4 and their houses are worth more than mine, they must be complete idiots too. Similar feelings are felt by some people toward Porsches, Rolls Royces, etc which are often damaged by the envious. To close on an agreeable note to you all may I suggest all BMW owners are complete idiots, that normally goes down well with this group. > > Quite a few idiots are in posession of large amounts of money, they're the > > most dangerous type. They come into it through chance, inheritence and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > To close on an agreeable note to you all may I suggest all BMW owners are > complete idiots, that normally goes down well with this group. I think you misunderstood me, I said people are idiots not because they're wealthy but by the way they drive. It's not the fact that they drive big SUV's that I think makes them idiots, it's the aggressive way so many of them fly around like they're invincible and own the road. Or the ones who buy the big SUV just to show off and *never* take it offroad. > > > Quite a few idiots are in posession of large amounts of money, they're > the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > them fly around like they're invincible and own the road. Or the ones who > buy the big SUV just to show off and *never* take it offroad. Yea, I think all those SUV drivers should be "required" to take their SUV's to South American or Africa for the "Camel Trophy Expeditions" that Land Rover does, to really put their SUV's through the paces, complete with tow kits, driving through mud holes, rivers, etc. For Example http://www.k2news.com/dimages/Camel.jpg http://ttonline.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/Tierra2.jpg Talk about accesorizing! http://www.camelworld.com/images/PICT1357.JPG http://camel-trophy.nl/assets/images/hp1.jpg SaabGuy > I think you misunderstood me, I said people are idiots not because they're > wealthy but by the way they drive. It's not the fact that they drive big [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sorry James , I did misunderstand your original comment. I don't think anyone will disagree with the above. > To close on an agreeable note to you all may I suggest all BMW owners are > complete idiots, that normally goes down well with this group. Not always. People who can get their heads extracted from their rectal cavities are able to appreciate the superior ride and performance of any car regardless of the badge on the front grille... -Fred W >>>Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been >>>plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > marriage, there's also people who while they may not be idiots, certainly > appear to be trying to show they are through the way they drive. But those people are going to buy BMW! (I am not saying the BMW is bad). > > ... there's also people who while they may not be idiots, certainly > > appear to be trying to show they are through the way they drive. > But those people are going to buy BMW! (I am not saying the BMW is bad). No, no, I'm not saying anything! (here's a smiley :-) just in case...) -- MH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i 16 http://go.to/saab96 >>Well they were, though I've heard (thankfully) that SUV sales have been >>plummeting, maybe I'll have to dodge fewer of these huge beasts driven by >>complete idiots over the next decade. > > I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. It's called credit or leases. -Fred W > > I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. > > It's called credit or leases. The ones I know don't need credit or leases, would you need it to buy a car? >>>I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. >> >>It's called credit or leases. > > The ones I know don't need credit or leases, would you need it to buy a car? A new one? Yes I would, but I don't consider myself a complete idiot. More of an incomplete one, thanks... Unfortunately, I get to pay for my 3 children to go through college, so I don't have 40 large laying around collecting dust. But I also don't buy new cars and I do pay cash for the cars I do buy. -Fred W > >>>I wonder how complete idiots can spare £40k on a car. > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Fred W That makes sense to me Fred, > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan Dan, Well, I got 2 new Saab videos. 1 is an Advertisement in the U.S. market, the other is a Promotional video that I doubt will see T.V., but I actually like it a lot!!! http://www.securearchitecture.com/saab/saab_videos.html Look in the 2005 section. These are the ONLY 2 videos I have online. The Ad is 8MB and the Promo is 30MB. You need the Divx plugin to see these (http://www.divx.com). It is free to download. Then just play in Windows Media Player after installing. SaabGuy > Well, I got 2 new Saab videos. 1 is an Advertisement in the U.S. market, the other is a Promotional video that I doubt will see T.V., but I actually like it a lot!!! Ok ok we get the point already. > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM After watching the promo videos, actually, I'd say the Saab reengineering of the Trailblazer is a far better execution than that of the 9-2x. The 9-7x shows clear Saab reworking of both the interior and exterior. The dash much more succinctly resembles the dashes of the 9-3 and 9-5. It's definitely more classy than the standard Trailblazer interior. While they did move the key to the center console, the key itself does not appear to be like the e-key in the 9-3. I suppose that would have required a bit more re-engineering than they were budgeted. - tex > > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - tex Tex, So you are happy that I posted those 2 videos for you and others to watch? SaabGuy > So you are happy that I posted those 2 videos for you and others to watch? > > SaabGuy We'd be happier if you just posted the link once and stopped repeating yourself. > So you are happy that I posted those 2 videos for you and others to watch? I'm honestly not sure how to respond to this. Are you seeking affirmation/praise? While I can no doubt say that many people here, myself included, are appreciative of your video posts (and perhaps even some of your hidden/as-yet unposted videos), there are actually a great many self-less, humble contributors here in this group. They may not be posting videos, but they do nevertheless contribute their personal time and efforts to providing helpful advice/guidance to other a.a.s users. As Mr. Sweet implied, you're only making yourself look bad in repeating yourself and looking for praise. - tex > > So you are happy that I posted those 2 videos for you and others to watch? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - tex Tex, Sorry about that. SaabGuy > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan No GM doesn't understand, they didn't with the 9-2x, they don't with the 9-7, and they didn't when they decided to shut down the Saab plant in Sweden. They bought Saab and are proceeding to run it into the ground, it comes as no surprise that they lost $1 billion and are now planning to lay off 25,000 workers. > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic engineering > vs American, Japanese, German? And the crap is about to be sold in Europe now also... Cheers! > > What is GM doing? The 9-7 looks nothing like a SAAB. Doesn't GM > > understand that people buy SAABs because they like the Nordic engineering > > vs American, Japanese, German? > > And the crap is about to be sold in Europe now also... Don't you mean it's gonna sit on lots in Europe? |
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