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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 06 Jul 2005 21:28 GMT
Is it a 9000 CS Carlsson
or a 9000 CS Aero?
I know the Aero replaced the CS Carlsson.
It's 9 cars down on the stocklist.
It looks like an Aero to me, and has Aero seats, but might just have had
the body and interior stuff fitted.

http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id4307618
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id4307625
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id4307631
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id4307636

"SAAB 9000 2.3 Turbo CS CARLSSON Aero 5dr , 5 Doors, Manual 5 speed,
Hatchback, Petrol, 1993 L Reg , Red, MOT-04-2006. 225 BHP HIGH PRESSURE
TURBO MODEL WITH FULL SAAB MAIN DEALER HISTORY FROM NEW.ONE FORMER
KEEPER.LUXURY SPORTS LEATHER SEATS,CLIMATE CONTROL AIR CONDITIONING,CD
MULTIPLAY,RADIO CASSETTE,CRUISE CONTROL,ON BOARD COMPUTER,REMOTE CENTRAL
LOCKING ALARM,POWER STEERING,HEADLAMP WASH WIPE,ELECTRIC ADJUSTABLE
HEADLAMPS,ALLOYS,ELECTRIC MIRRORS,ELECTRIC WINDOWS ,HEATED ELECTRIC
ADJUSTABLE SEATS,REAR SPOLER. DESCRIBED BY CLARKSON AS THE QUICKEST CAR
FOR OVERTAKING THE SAAB AERO IS A GENERALLY UNKNOWN HIGH PERFORMANCE
LUXURY CAR,DONT MISS OUT THIS IS A SUPERB VEHICLE .PLEASE CONTACT ME ON
MY MOBILE *** ***** **** WHEN NOT AVAILABLE ON LAND LINE OR LEAVE A
MESSAGE £2,495"

the description is from dealers website.

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Paul Halliday - 06 Jul 2005 21:33 GMT
> Is it a 9000 CS Carlsson
> or a 9000 CS Aero?
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> the description is from dealers website.

It's an Aero. The Carlsson was pre-facelift and produced between 1990 and
1992, same as the C900 variant. Looks nice ...

Paul

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 06 Jul 2005 21:55 GMT
>> Is it a 9000 CS Carlsson
>> or a 9000 CS Aero?
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>Var tog vägen vägen?
>SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

That's what I thought.
Seriously tempted to see what if anything he would trade my Celica for
against it.
I've emailed him to see if there is any issues with the fly by wire
throttle/ABS/TCS etc, what mileage and whether the climate control etc
still works. I'm not buying another gadget laden car with broken
gadgets, not once you get into the couple of £K mark. I don't mind
mechanicals, they are usually wear and tear. But when it comes to
gadgets, from now on, they need to work, or it is a no go for me.

Need to tart it up a little though. that Aero looks pretty clean.
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Pooh Bear - 07 Jul 2005 00:34 GMT
> >> Is it a 9000 CS Carlsson
> >> or a 9000 CS Aero?
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> Need to tart it up a little though. that Aero looks pretty clean.

Judging by the condition of the seat squabs and no mention of mileage, I expect
it's a high miler.

I saw a better one on ebay last Jan ( nearly bought it ) but got outbidded in the
last few secs. It went for £1830 and had a serious service history.

That price being asked isn't serious.

Graham
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 07:01 GMT
>> >> Is it a 9000 CS Carlsson
>> >> or a 9000 CS Aero?
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>> still works. I'm not buying another gadget laden car with broken
>> gadgets, not once you get into the couple of £K mark. I don't mind

Cheers.
I'm waiting for a report back from the dealer regarding mileage.
The bases of the seats do look a little cracked, but if it is a fairly
high miler, it could be that they have never had a good feed/clean with
Gliptone/Autoglym/Megs leather feed.

It is a trader rather than private sale car. That price is still cheap
for an Aero though isn't it?
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Pooh Bear - 07 Jul 2005 08:03 GMT
> It is a trader rather than private sale car. That price is still cheap
> for an Aero though isn't it?

Not really. I only have a year old guide - but a year ago it would have been worth -
trade 'showroom' value ( 10 k miles p.a. ) = 2650 - private sale in good order (
also 10k miles p.a. ) =  2310 - private sale in undocumented condition ( no service
history - below avg condition ) = 905. 'Trade in' value typically 1380.

Adjust all figures for mileage > 10k p.a.

Beware of all undocumented claims about mileage. If there's no service history to
verify, then consider the mileage false. IT almost certainly will be. Something like
20% of all cars in the UK have false odometer readings IIRC.

Graham
Pooh Bear - 07 Jul 2005 08:04 GMT
> > It is a trader rather than private sale car. That price is still cheap
> > for an Aero though isn't it?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> verify, then consider the mileage false. IT almost certainly will be. Something like
> 20% of all cars in the UK have false odometer readings IIRC.

I nearly forgot. Adjust all prices above downwards according to mileage over 10k p.a..
The equation gets complicated though. In the end, it's up to you to decide if you like
the car at any given price.

Graham
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 09:25 GMT
> I nearly forgot. Adjust all prices above downwards according to mileage over 10k p.a..
> The equation gets complicated though. In the end, it's up to you to decide if you like
> the car at any given price.

Oh I know. And with a Saab, it isn't even mileage that is as important,
as the overall condition of the body/interior/suspension/toys, and how
it drives, because we know the engines last forever and a day. Don't
know where you have been getting prices like that though. I know what
Parkers and Glasses might give as price ranges, but for a 2 litre LPT
you were looking at over £2-3.5k last year. Couldn't find any Aeros
under £3k and nothing worth having under £4k. Even searching nationally,
on Autotrader, Loot, Ebay, SOC, local papers, and fish 4, it was very
difficult to find an Aero anywhere, never mind at those prices.
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Pooh Bear - 07 Jul 2005 16:40 GMT
> > I nearly forgot. Adjust all prices above downwards according to mileage over 10k p.a..
> > The equation gets complicated though. In the end, it's up to you to decide if you like
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> on Autotrader, Loot, Ebay, SOC, local papers, and fish 4, it was very
> difficult to find an Aero anywhere, never mind at those prices.

The info was from Parkers ! Aeros turn up rarely for sure.

£2k for a 2.0 9k CSE lpt ? That should buy you a very nice new one indeed. I saw one go on
ebay with an apparently genuine 90k miles on it, looke clean and just an exhaust blow for
£540 ( 94 model ).

This would doubtless have made a decent purchase too.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4547327062&rd=1&sspagename=
STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1


or this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4550157094&rd=1&sspagename=
STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1


This one was actually > £2k. It's a 2.3 lpt '97 model though. Leather too.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4547093997&rd=1&sspagename=
STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1


Graham
Charles C. - 07 Jul 2005 23:06 GMT
>>I nearly forgot. Adjust all prices above downwards according to mileage over 10k p.a..
>>The equation gets complicated though. In the end, it's up to you to decide if you like
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> as the overall condition of the body/interior/suspension/toys, and how
> it drives, because we know the engines last forever and a day.

Really?  You have not seen knackered saabs then?  Hydraulic tapets that
did not work, leaking head gaskets, smoking turbos, rusty coolant
expansion tanks.  You really believe that the 9000 you see, which could
have half a dozen owners got its expensive oil changed every 3-5k miles?
 See how many owners had the car in its last few years and summice if
any of them ever changed the oil.

You are making a big - in my simple mind - mistake.  You are convincing
yourself that a particular car is brilliant, even if people tell you it
is a high milleage car.  YOu should go and see the car BEFORE you decide
that you must have that particular car.

If I may suggest to you also, that it is very different car to your
previous C900 (I had two of those), and by comparison pretty awfull to
work on. Jacking it up and getting it on stands is an experience in
itself compared to the C900.  To its credit it has normal brakes.

> Don't
> know where you have been getting prices like that though. I know what
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> on Autotrader, Loot, Ebay, SOC, local papers, and fish 4, it was very
> difficult to find an Aero anywhere, never mind at those prices.

Take your time.  Maybe get a car that you keep longer than 12 months so
spend a few months looking for one :-)

Charles

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 08 Jul 2005 09:20 GMT
> Really?  You have not seen knackered saabs then?  Hydraulic tapets that
> did not work, leaking head gaskets, smoking turbos, rusty coolant
> expansion tanks.  You really believe that the 9000 you see, which could
> have half a dozen owners got its expensive oil changed every 3-5k miles?
>   See how many owners had the car in its last few years and summice if
> any of them ever changed the oil.

Yes I have. And normally, either the visual appearance or sound of the
engine running gives a lot of clues. And the test drive confirms it.
The over priced, but decent looking Aero that I was looking at is high
mileage. But it is also one owner from new, and from 1993->2004 has been
serviced and maintained by the same Saab dealership. It had a clutch and
new gearbox in 1994 (which is two high mileage expenses out of the way).
With every service stamp in place, and looking average to good for the
mileage inside. I'd we willing to spend a lot more attention looking at
it.

Yes, I know about hydaulic going or sticking. They are just normal
maintenance/acceptable expense. Smoky turbos, you check them out at the
test drive. High mileage doesn't necessarily mean a shagged blower. I
keep getting told that "your looking at a big bill arround 100,000 miles
with a turbo". The C900 had 118k miles on the T3 when I bought it. The
GT4 had 136k on it's original CT26. Both are still blowing strong,
especially the CT26 in the Celica which I drove to work in today. The
big difference from a lot of cars is, I got loads of documentation with
both these cars with stamps and reciepts showing that they had been well
maintained from new, until within a year of me buying them, and taking
over. And although not stamped, I've marked in the book when I changed
things and what I changed.

I would expect almost (note almost) any car with a 1 owner, and full
Saab dealership support reciepted and stamped to have had it's expensive
oil changed at the correct time too. I've done it on a car that cost
£90, and on a car that cost £1700, so why wouldn't someone who has owned
it since it cost upwards of £25k, especially when they paid a dealer to
do it.
> You are making a big - in my simple mind - mistake.  You are convincing
> yourself that a particular car is brilliant, even if people tell you it
> is a high milleage car.  YOu should go and see the car BEFORE you decide
> that you must have that particular car.

Nope, I'm convincing myself that a particular model and marque of car is
brilliant. I'm the most skeptical person you can meet when it comes to
individual vehicles. In the past I've isulted lots of people when it
comes to fiding faults on the "pride and joy" that they are selling. It
is always worth money off. Especially if you are prepared to walk.
> If I may suggest to you also, that it is very different car to your
> previous C900 (I had two of those), and by comparison pretty awfull to
> work on. Jacking it up and getting it on stands is an experience in
> itself compared to the C900.  To its credit it has normal brakes.

Cheers. That I didn't know, about the jacking.
The reason I specified the 2.3 over the 2.0 as my preference is for
simple DIY mechanic things like oil filter location.
> > Don't
> > know where you have been getting prices like that though. I know what
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Take your time.  Maybe get a car that you keep longer than 12 months so
> spend a few months looking for one :-)

Oh I plan to. I always plan to keep a car for long periods, but I get
bored. I could spend £600 for a low mileage later engine (an extreme fix
to an oil leak/usage problem I know, but you never know until you start
investigating) and a couple of hundred to get it fitted. Instead, I
fancy a change. Some people lose thousands on changing a new car every 3
to 5 years. I prefer that I can spend what I like on the car after I've
bought it, and if/when I lose after selling, it is in the hundreds
rather than in the thousands.

I plan to keep looking, but a good place to start is always useful.
Whether it is the best or the worst car you drive, at least you hav an
idea, from others opinions, before you get there. ;0

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Charles C. - 08 Jul 2005 09:26 GMT
>>Really?  You have not seen knackered saabs then?  Hydraulic tapets that
>>did not work, leaking head gaskets, smoking turbos, rusty coolant
[quoted text clipped - 76 lines]
> Whether it is the best or the worst car you drive, at least you hav an
> idea, from others opinions, before you get there. ;0

Just one comment.

Stamps on the book may not count for much.

I did come across one car where the owner sold it privately (via auction
or to dealer) and all the stamps were in place etc.  but the dealer said
they had only services the car once.  (In fact it was the dealer who
most likely stamped the book as the person was buying a new car from them).

If the dealer who serviced the car is local(ish) maybe a telephone call
or visit might tell you if they have ever actually done anything to the car.

Good luck.
Charles

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 08 Jul 2005 11:06 GMT
> Stamps on the book may not count for much.
>
> I did come across one car where the owner sold it privately (via auction
> or to dealer) and all the stamps were in place etc.  but the dealer said
> they had only services the car once.  (In fact it was the dealer who
> most likely stamped the book as the person was buying a new car from them).

Agreed. I've even seen some pretty convincing fake stamps too.
Reciepts are a good backup to.

The Celica came with such a large bundle, it even included the 2 pre-
sales inspection check lists, from the two dealers who sold it as
"Approved used".

It's been about a bit too. Started out in Guildford, moved arround a
couple of Essex and kent garages for service/repair/sales, then
eventually came north when the last owner sold his new Celica VVTi, to
raise a deposit to buy a house and move north for a new job. He bought
the GT4 as a stop gap, then got himself a BMW Coupe as a prezzy once
settled into home and job.
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Pooh Bear - 08 Jul 2005 11:23 GMT
> Just one comment.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> If the dealer who serviced the car is local(ish) maybe a telephone call
> or visit might tell you if they have ever actually done anything to the car.

With a blind purchase ( sort of ) like ebay I've come to the conclusion that a
small number of former owners is normally a good sign. Not to mention the pics
showing a stack of service records, MOTs etc...

Graham
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 08 Jul 2005 13:27 GMT
> With a blind purchase ( sort of ) like ebay I've come to the conclusion that a
> small number of former owners is normally a good sign. Not to mention the pics
> showing a stack of service records, MOTs etc...

Yep. They aren't infallible, but they help.
Sometimes you need to take a chance. And if you can get the registration
number, a datacheck will help with the status of the car.

At what point does the price of a car make it a disposable item>?
I've bought solid legal reliable cars with no history for sub £100 and
they have been great, because they weren't popular cars, but later I've
considered £500 to be the limit, especailly if with a recent MOT and
apparently good appearance. Other people have said "if it is over 10
years old, or under £2k, why bother, it will be a shed eventually
anyway".
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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 09:18 GMT
> Beware of all undocumented claims about mileage. If there's no service history to
> verify, then consider the mileage false. IT almost certainly will be. Something like
> 20% of all cars in the UK have false odometer readings IIRC.

Oh, I know that mileage on the clock means bugger all without the
condition of the car, and/or the paperwork backing it up.

But from the original description
"TURBO MODEL WITH FULL SAAB MAIN DEALER HISTORY FROM NEW.ONE FORMER
KEEPER." It all depends on when the history ends (like last year, year
before etc, the paper work should back up the mileage.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 06 Jul 2005 22:14 GMT
>It's an Aero.

Interestingly, the confused.com site has it as a 2.3 CSE 16v
but the MY RAC section of the RAC website lists it as an Aero.

Just doing an insurance check.
Normally, with cars I choose, my current insurer comes in at about £200
less than the lowest confused quote. Did on my 900, did on an import
prelude I was interested in, and did on the UK spec GT4.

Don't think they will this time though Norwich union Direct may just
about quote me happy. In a confused search, it came in at £563 fully
comp with my estimating the value at £3000.
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Paul Halliday - 06 Jul 2005 22:18 GMT
>> It's an Aero.
>>
> Interestingly, the confused.com site has it as a 2.3 CSE 16v
> but the MY RAC section of the RAC website lists it as an Aero.

It's possible that "Aero" is a trim description, rather than engine
designation for insurance purposes.

> Just doing an insurance check.
> Normally, with cars I choose, my current insurer comes in at about £200
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> about quote me happy. In a confused search, it came in at £563 fully
> comp with my estimating the value at £3000.

Gosh! No need to find a specialist insurer for an agreed value, then :)

The red does look good. Better on an old-Skool Carlsson, but ...

Paul

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 06 Jul 2005 22:34 GMT
>>> It's an Aero.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>Vart tog vägen vägen?
>SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close

It seems to be my postcode I think.
I've only been driving on a full license for 3 years (4 in october) but
I had insurance as a learner on a Skoda Estelle.
So easily a full 4 years no claims.
Clean license for 3 years.
No accidents or claims ever.
aged 36.
The Skoda as a learner was £400, then the Favorit I had after that was
£380.
The 900 was £450ish maybe more
and the GT4 was arround the £500 is mark.
Since the Estelle (TPF&T), all the others have been fully comp. My
insurer likes to insure cars that are modified fully comp. Their comp
quotes usually come back cheaper than the TPF&T ones. And I like the
extra benefits like windscreen and legal cover.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 10:26 GMT
> "SAAB 9000 2.3 Turbo CS CARLSSON Aero 5dr , 5 Doors, Manual 5 speed,
> Hatchback, Petrol, 1993 L Reg , Red, MOT-04-2006. 225 BHP HIGH PRESSURE
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> MY MOBILE *** ***** **** WHEN NOT AVAILABLE ON LAND LINE OR LEAVE A
> MESSAGE £2,495"

From the dealer.
"Hi Carl. the car is superb,everything works as you would expect.the car
has covered 176k but due to the owner still using saab main dealer to
service and look after the car to date .. (i know its unusual for a car
of this age) it is in superb condition throughout. he has had a new saab
gearbox and clutch fitted not so long back in june 04 . car was last
serviced by them in april 05.full saab service history from new ... you
must see and drive this car as you will definatley buy it ."

Worth anywhere near £2.5k, or should I come in insultingly low and have
a play with him.

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Grunff - 07 Jul 2005 10:33 GMT
> From the dealer.
> "Hi Carl. the car is superb,everything works as you would expect.the car
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Worth anywhere near £2.5k, or should I come in insultingly low and have
> a play with him.

It's an L reg!! And while 176k isn't huge, and the engine is likely to
be fine, there are lots of other wear items which will feel that mileage.

There's no way that car's worth £2.5k. I've seen similar cars for £1200,
and I'd personally hesitate to pay even that.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 12:43 GMT
> There's no way that car's worth £2.5k. I've seen similar cars for £1200,
> and I'd personally hesitate to pay even that.

Well, he is a trader so expect at least 1/3 above the norm, and add to
the fact that the service history goes from day one to last year, from a
franchised dealer, with just one owner, and that the gearbox was changed
last year, and the fact that he knows nothing about Saabs and paid far
to much for it himself, so has to get it back somehow.
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Grunff - 07 Jul 2005 12:43 GMT
> Well, he is a trader so expect at least 1/3 above the norm, and add to
> the fact that the service history goes from day one to last year, from a
> franchised dealer, with just one owner, and that the gearbox was changed
> last year, and the fact that he knows nothing about Saabs and paid far
> to much for it himself, so has to get it back somehow.

Sure - I can see how the price might be reached, just saying that it's
considerably more than they go for, especially at that age.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 14:27 GMT
> Sure - I can see how the price might be reached, just saying that it's
> considerably more than they go for, especially at that age.

Thing is, I have seen a 9000 Aero anything like that price. Even on
Ebay.

There was one went for £577.
but it was a wreck by the sounds.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemE56514736&rd=1

A 1993 with 166k didn't make reserve.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemE58975416&rd=1

And this 1994 with 111k didn't make reserve either at £2250
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&itemE58635774&rd=1

And this is an Auto trader search nationally from arround an area
similar to my postcode
http://smallr.com/ud

As you can see, the Aeros are still holding their prices. The one I
found is the cheapest of the lot.

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Grunff - 07 Jul 2005 15:18 GMT
> As you can see, the Aeros are still holding their prices. The one I
> found is the cheapest of the lot.

I couldn't open your short url (timed out), but I've just done a
nationwide Autotrader search, and found quite a few very nice looking
examples for a lot less money.

e.g.
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&id=200525197510479
http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&id=200524195956281

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 15:31 GMT
> > As you can see, the Aeros are still holding their prices. The one I
> > found is the cheapest of the lot.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&id=200525197510479
> http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/WWW/CARS_popup.asp?modelexact=1&id=200524195956281

OK, the short linkw as specifically for Aeros.
The Griffin is OK, but it is an Auto.
As is the Anniversary unfortunatley.
I've noticed that Autos, even Aero Auto (upped cosmetic spec CSEs) sell
for as little of 50% of the manual price.
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Grunff - 07 Jul 2005 15:37 GMT
> I've noticed that Autos, even Aero Auto (upped cosmetic spec CSEs) sell
> for as little of 50% of the manual price.

Really? That big a difference? Wow. I've not really paid attention to
that. I wouldn't fancy an auto myself.

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Pooh Bear - 07 Jul 2005 17:12 GMT
> > I've noticed that Autos, even Aero Auto (upped cosmetic spec CSEs) sell
> > for as little of 50% of the manual price.
>
> Really? That big a difference? Wow. I've not really paid attention to
> that. I wouldn't fancy an auto myself.

Hence the price ?

I gather if the auto box goes you might as well scrap the car from the
financial perspective. Incidentally, just reading the owner's manual - on
manuals the TCS works on the throttle and brakes. On autos it works on the
throttle only.

Graham
Colum Mylod - 07 Jul 2005 23:31 GMT
>> > I've noticed that Autos, even Aero Auto (upped cosmetic spec CSEs) sell
>> > for as little of 50% of the manual price.
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>
>Hence the price ?

I'd find that hard to swallow but as an Aero auto owner I would say
that. However when I was looking at Saabs, the 2nd hand auto price for
nearly new autos was just above manuals. I'd pin that differential on
aged autos (as you say, they cost arm+leg if they break, make that
*when* they break) plus European punters prefer manuals.

It has to come down ultimately to what the market wants (or can be
suckered) to pay!

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 08 Jul 2005 07:42 GMT
>It has to come down ultimately to what the market wants (or can be
>suckered) to pay!

Yup.

When new, you ask for what you want, and get to pay for it.
When buying used, especially older used, you can pick and choose, and
make the seller do the compromising.
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Pooh Bear - 07 Jul 2005 16:54 GMT
> > Sure - I can see how the price might be reached, just saying that it's
> > considerably more than they go for, especially at that age.
>
> Thing is, I have seen a 9000 Aero anything like that price. Even on
> Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18263&item=4560012370&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18263&item=4559425699&rd=1

They're both in Scotland though ! At first glance they both look pretty
compelling too ! I'd like one but I just bought another 2.0 lpt.

Graham
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 07 Jul 2005 22:53 GMT
>> > Sure - I can see how the price might be reached, just saying that it's
>> > considerably more than they go for, especially at that age.
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>
>Graham

Both nice, but the second one is another bugger that has been a write
off.

And with a CAT D you don't need any inspection to prove the repaired, so
it might be a right lemon.
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Pooh Bear - 08 Jul 2005 11:23 GMT
> >> > Sure - I can see how the price might be reached, just saying that it's
> >> > considerably more than they go for, especially at that age.
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> And with a CAT D you don't need any inspection to prove the repaired, so
> it might be a right lemon.

The first one is still @ £1700 with 10 1/2 hrs to run. I recognise the dealer btw. He's
sold other Saabs too. Glasgow is easy and cheap to reach by public transport.

Graham
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 08 Jul 2005 13:48 GMT
> The first one is still @ £1700 with 10 1/2 hrs to run. I recognise the dealer btw. He's
> sold other Saabs too. Glasgow is easy and cheap to reach by public transport.

That actually does look nice.
Mileage reasonable.
Did fancy a darker colur or black hide, but you can't have everything at
that price.

Silver will do, my C900 was Silver.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 08 Jul 2005 20:46 GMT
>> >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18263&item=4560012370&rd=1

Oh god, it's right on the edge of what I could scrape togther
immediatley, probably over actually.

Didn't expect a half decent car to turnup on the spot, right now.
Damn.

She will kill me if I buy it without making sure at least someone is
interested in my GT4.
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