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Alternator to Starter Cabling?

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LC - 12 Jul 2005 13:38 GMT
The positive cable between my starter and alternator finally corroded
beyond the point of use the other day 900T(Classic).  Does anyone have one
in decent shape they're willing to part with, or have some type of
replacement that's homegrown that they swear by?

Please let me know what you'd charge me, including shipping to zip 46221

Thanks!
-L
yaofeng - 12 Jul 2005 14:15 GMT
What's wrong with a run of the mill thick cable from the auto parts
store?
Richard NL - 12 Jul 2005 15:13 GMT
> What's wrong with a run of the mill thick cable from the auto parts
> store?

I assume it is the same as with most things in life:
"The problem is not in the middle, but in the beginning and at the end..."

The terminals are the hard part, not the cable itself.
:-)
yaofeng - 12 Jul 2005 15:39 GMT
Haven't checked the parts store.  I am sure you can doctor one up with
the right parts or is it really that difficult?
LC - 13 Jul 2005 05:35 GMT
I've made one with 4gauge cable from the local home depot.  However, the
starter is pretty hot near where the cable is.  I've made sure both ends are
tighened down really good.

I checked with SAAB, and the replacement cable.. and no i'm not kidding was
$70.00 (US).   This little piece of sh.t 14 inch cable..  Crazy eh?

any ideas?    My buddy said if the cable is hot on an end, the connection is
bad.  So I'm going on that line of thinking... but I can't be completely
sure.

> Haven't checked the parts store.  I am sure you can doctor one up with
> the right parts or is it really that difficult?
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 13 Jul 2005 13:45 GMT
>I've made one with 4gauge cable from the local home depot.  However, the
>starter is pretty hot near where the cable is.  I've made sure both ends are
>tighened down really good.

I recently replaced the main positive cable when I was trying to solve the
problem with the starter in my 1983 900S 'sticking'. I tracked down that the
thermo-time switch is allowing current to leak into the wire to the starter
relay coil but getting back to the positive cable...

What I did was buy some heatshrink tubing the right size (about 3/4" or 18
mm diameter) and pushed a length of that over the lug that bolts to the
starter solenoid. It doesn't give a lot of heat protection but what it does
do is shrink just from the radiated heat off the engine (and in my 8V
engine's case, heat from the exhaust manifold too), and that has now almost
fully shrunk down over the back of the lug and the start of the cable
itself.

It isn't going to form any sort of hermetic seal, but it'll assist the
cable's insulation to protect the copper at the end where it's most
susceptible to damage from contaminants and heat as well to some extent.

>I checked with SAAB, and the replacement cable.. and no i'm not kidding was
>$70.00 (US).   This little piece of sh.t 14 inch cable..  Crazy eh?

The original positive lead in my car (not sure if was Saab-OEM or even
original equipment) was braided with some sort of polymer braiding which was
absorbing every spec of oil and any other penetrating liquid that might come
along!

>any ideas?    My buddy said if the cable is hot on an end, the connection is
>bad.  So I'm going on that line of thinking... but I can't be completely
>sure.

That's definitely a good indicator that there is possibly a high-resistance
connection as the resistance of a connection determines how much it blocks
current flow (and this is what creates the heating as it's the same effect
as a bar radiator).

High-current connections make this more problematic since higher current
means more power (volts x amps = watts since it's a simple DC system) and
more watts means more heating as the connection resistance increases. So
even a small increase in resistance with a very high current can cause a big
heating effect.

Regards,

Craig.
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Malcolm William Mason - 14 Jul 2005 08:00 GMT
>High-current connections make this more problematic since higher current
>means more power (volts x amps = watts since it's a simple DC system) and
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>
>Craig.

The heating increases as the square of the current. It's is probably not
the connection of the connector to the object powered but the connection
of the cable to the connector. It is very difficult to make as good a
connection as the manufacturer does especially if you are trying to use
their connector on home depot 4/2 or 4/3 romex.

Malcolm
yaofeng - 13 Jul 2005 16:07 GMT
I don't have a feel for how heavy a 4 ga cable is.  Presumably it is as
thick as the original and is copper.  Is it is, the cable you made
should conduct the same amount of current as the original.  Question is
are you making good enough crimped connections between the cable and
the blade to connect to both posts.

Sometims I wish I drive domestic cars.  That's what you pay driving an
import.  A guy said that to me when I complain about prices of parts
for my SAAB's.
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 13 Jul 2005 23:01 GMT
>I don't have a feel for how heavy a 4 ga cable is.  Presumably it is as
>thick as the original and is copper.  Is it is, the cable you made
>should conduct the same amount of current as the original.  Question is
>are you making good enough crimped connections between the cable and
>the blade to connect to both posts.

>Sometims I wish I drive domestic cars.  That's what you pay driving an
>import.  A guy said that to me when I complain about prices of parts
>for my SAAB's.

Domestic cars (same applies here in Australia) are build to a price, not to
a standard. Our C900's were built to a standard, so price wasn't really much
of an issue since if you wanted a vehicle of a certain quality you had to
pay the asking price. So parts and build quality are skimped back to the
barest minimum required to meet various country's safety standards and
nothing more.

The same still applies today in 2005, but it's watered down a lot with the
generic makers (including GM) producing 'prestige' cars too. Toyata is the
main one we see here in Australia with their 'Lexus' branding.

Perhaps GM should re-focus Saab on producing cars built to a high standard
again since that's where Saab's traditional market base is.

Craig.
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Pooh Bear - 14 Jul 2005 00:26 GMT
> I've made one with 4gauge cable from the local home depot.  However, the
> starter is pretty hot near where the cable is.  I've made sure both ends are
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> bad.  So I'm going on that line of thinking... but I can't be completely
> sure.

You mean the cable itself gets got ?

That's a sure sign of contact resistance. Could be the termination to the cable
itself ( e.g. a crimp terminal gone 'bad' - you have to replace it ) or high
contact resistance at the terminal itself ( clean terminal and re-tighten using
some copper-ease ).

Graham
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 12 Jul 2005 23:32 GMT
>> What's wrong with a run of the mill thick cable from the auto parts
>> store?

>I assume it is the same as with most things in life:
>"The problem is not in the middle, but in the beginning and at the end..."

>The terminals are the hard part, not the cable itself.
>:-)

Plenty of places on Ebay sell terminals and lugs, etc. but I'm sure any
auto-electrician has the right sized lugs for the starter solenoid end and a
crimping tool to join a lug to a piece of cable.

Craig.
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KeithG - 13 Jul 2005 12:34 GMT
I made one with some 2 ga welding cable, heat shrink appropriate ends
from QuickCable. I am sure that the parts and crimper will cost a LOT
more than 70.00 to do it right, though. Try NAPA and see how much it is.
I got my negative cable from them and it fit properly.

KeithG

> The positive cable between my starter and alternator finally corroded
> beyond the point of use the other day 900T(Classic).  Does anyone have one
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks!
> -L
 
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