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Car Forum / Saab Cars / July 2005

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How tough is it to replace rear calipers on a 1990 C900?

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LC - 16 Jul 2005 15:43 GMT
I'm curious.. my sister in law's rear calipers went out the other day, and
I've been picked to replace them for her.  I just want to know what kind of
job I'm gettng myself into, and what tools I might want to have handy other
than the trusty metric and star socket sets.

Thanks!
-LC
Dave Hinz - 18 Jul 2005 18:20 GMT
> I'm curious.. my sister in law's rear calipers went out the other day, and
> I've been picked to replace them for her.  I just want to know what kind of
> job I'm gettng myself into, and what tools I might want to have handy other
> than the trusty metric and star socket sets.

It's not bad, but can you define "went out"?  
LC - 19 Jul 2005 01:51 GMT
Dave,

Sorry I wasn't more specific.  My sister in law had her front brakes
replaced at the local midas shop.  The front brakes and rotors replaced w/o
a hitch, and she was also advised to do the rears as well.  When they went
to replace them, they told her that both calipers had seized up.  There's no
brake fluid leaking out or anything like that.. so I'm fairly certain that
the brake lines are still good.
 It seems it was this way since she got the car.. as the rear pads were the
originals.(saab original part #'s on them and all).  Since they were going
to rape her on parts and labor, she opted to drive the car back home and
park it... and have me take care of it.  This is why I asked how tough it
was.  She has another car she can drive(the in laws have a few of them)
until she's able to get going again.

Anything special I need to know?  Do I need to pressure bleed the brakes?
etc?

Thanks!
-LC

>> I'm curious.. my sister in law's rear calipers went out the other day,
>> and
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>
> It's not bad, but can you define "went out"?
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 19 Jul 2005 10:23 GMT
>Sorry I wasn't more specific.  My sister in law had her front brakes
>replaced at the local midas shop.  The front brakes and rotors replaced w/o
>a hitch, and she was also advised to do the rears as well.  When they went
>to replace them, they told her that both calipers had seized up.  There's no
>brake fluid leaking out or anything like that.. so I'm fairly certain that
>the brake lines are still good.

I've just replaced the rear disks and pads on my car (1983 900S) and once I
applied a few simple tricks I'd learnt from others, it wasn't too bad. The
first disk took me a few hours but the second one took about an hour. I took
the car for a 20 km drive tonight just to make sure things were ok and I got
the expected smoking if I braked hard on a long straight where I could build
up some speed beforehand.

I was really lucky to get a set of brand new Brembo rear disks at a very low
price. Remember that these are solid disks so the process would be a little
different with the later C900's (from 1987 up?) with vented disks and
handbrakes acting on the rear wheels.

It would not hurt to replace the calipers at the same time as fitting new
disks/pads, but I've re-used the existing calipers for the job I did on my
car. They come up on Ebay regularly and you can buy rebuilt (or sometimes
new) calipers from some of the online Saab parts places. New calipers can be
pricey but when it comes to brakes using quality parts is a Good Thing!
After all it's the brakes which stop the car, and they're far more important
than the engine in terms of your safety.

>  It seems it was this way since she got the car.. as the rear pads were the
>originals.(saab original part #'s on them and all).  Since they were going
>to rape her on parts and labor, she opted to drive the car back home and
>park it... and have me take care of it.  This is why I asked how tough it
>was.  She has another car she can drive(the in laws have a few of them)
>until she's able to get going again.

>Anything special I need to know?  Do I need to pressure bleed the brakes?
>etc?

A pressure bleeder (something like a Gunson Eezibleed which is what I use)
makes the job of bleeding a lot easier. Any work which involves interupting
the hydraulic circuits make a bleed mandatory, but even if you haven't done
any brake work on a car, it's good to do it at least every 2 years. Brake
fluid absorbs water so over time it does degrade.

Changing the rear disks/pads is the second major brake project I've
undertaken - I did a brake master cylinder replacement on my 1985 900i a
while back now and found the Eezibleed very simple to use when it came
around to bleeding the old (and horribly contaminated!) fluid from the brake
lines. The master cylinder replacement is documented at:

http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900/brakemaster.html

for anyone who hasn't seen it before.

Craig.
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John B - 19 Jul 2005 15:18 GMT
> I was really lucky to get a set of brand new Brembo rear disks at a very low
> price. Remember that these are solid disks so the process would be a little
> different with the later C900's (from 1987 up?) with vented disks and
> handbrakes acting on the rear wheels.

I believe all c900s have solid rear rotors. The vented discs on the later
models were for front wheels only. At least, that is the case on my 1992.

John
PAPAGENE4JACK - 21 Jul 2005 02:32 GMT
I would say get a second opinion.  Most brake shops will give you that for
free.  If your not qualified to diagnose this problem which it sounds to
me like your not, then you should not attempt to repair her brakes,nor
should she want you to.  Brakes are nothing to fool with they have to de
done by someone qualified.   best regards papa
LC - 21 Jul 2005 04:58 GMT
I may not be the most qualified... however I'm also working with second hand
information since I haven't gotten to actually see the car yet.
Unfortunately, when you work a job that you're on call 24x7, you don't get
much time for anything else.
 I'm going to try the test dave hinz suggested... with turning the wheels
and applying the brake to see what happens.

Tack!
-LC

>I would say get a second opinion.  Most brake shops will give you that for
> free.  If your not qualified to diagnose this problem which it sounds to
> me like your not, then you should not attempt to repair her brakes,nor
> should she want you to.  Brakes are nothing to fool with they have to de
> done by someone qualified.   best regards papa
Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 15:45 GMT
> I may not be the most qualified... however I'm also working with second hand
> information since I haven't gotten to actually see the car yet.
> Unfortunately, when you work a job that you're on call 24x7, you don't get
> much time for anything else.

Tell me about it... BTDT, going on 17 years now.

>   I'm going to try the test dave hinz suggested... with turning the wheels
> and applying the brake to see what happens.

Sounds good.  And, I really don't think that working on brakes yourself
is a problem, unless you're not comfortable with following procedures
carefully.  Yeah, they're important, but they're not complicated.
yaofeng - 19 Jul 2005 10:34 GMT
> Dave,
>
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> Thanks!
> -LC

Not everyone knows SAAB has this rear brake setup that you have to
mechanically back-out the screw which advances the brake pads by the
hand brake action in addition to hydraulically pressing the pads by
foot action.  There is a possibility the your local Midas shop
mis-diagnosed the caliper seize up.  The calipers may have been good.
They just need to be loosened to remove the pads by turning a screw
with an allen wrench after removing a cover bolt on the caliper.

It is not possible to remove the rear brake pads without first
loosening the screw in each rear caliper.  Forcing the pads loose by
mechanical means will destroy the caliper.
Dave Hinz - 19 Jul 2005 15:14 GMT
> Dave,
>
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> brake fluid leaking out or anything like that.. so I'm fairly certain that
> the brake lines are still good.

Midas may not understand Saab's calipers.

>   It seems it was this way since she got the car.. as the rear pads were the
> originals.(saab original part #'s on them and all).  Since they were going
> to rape her on parts and labor, she opted to drive the car back home and
> park it... and have me take care of it.

So far so good.  I agree with that decision.

>  This is why I asked how tough it
> was.  She has another car she can drive(the in laws have a few of them)
> until she's able to get going again.

Well, other than the pads being original (sorry, forgot the mileage if
you mentioned it), what makes them and/or you think they'er actually
seized?  An easy test would be to block one of the front wheels, and
then back up each back corner one at a time - spin the wheel, have
someone hit the brakes.  If the wheel stops, they're not seized.  Let's
rule out Midas profittering and/or ignorance first.

> Anything special I need to know?  Do I need to pressure bleed the brakes?
> etc?

Maybe nothing. The rear brakes do 10-15% of the work, total.  Rear pads
can last a very long time without anything at all being wrong.  I've
never heard of one seizing, so being told that two have seized is
suspect to say the least.

Dave Hinz
LC - 21 Jul 2005 04:56 GMT
She bought the car at 83,700 in September last year.  I think she's near 90K
now.
I'll do your test when I see the vehicle this weekend.

Thanks!
-LC

>> Dave,
>>
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>
> Dave Hinz
Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 15:43 GMT
> She bought the car at 83,700 in September last year.  I think she's near 90K
> now.
> I'll do your test when I see the vehicle this weekend.

Sounds like a plan.  It just seems unlikely that your car would have
something unusual happen on not just one, but two corners
simultaneously.  The simlest explaination is that they're wrong, for one
reason or another.
 
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