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9000CS Tire Help Again!

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Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 00:49 GMT
I live in the south in a mountainous area. It's often wet but, apart from a
bit of stop-start city driving, I mainly use an Interstate that has only
moderate curves and grades. I'd like a comfortable tire, too.

I have heard good things about Falkiens.

Anyone care to comment?
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 21 Jul 2005 09:55 GMT
> I live in the south in a mountainous area. It's often wet but, apart from a
> bit of stop-start city driving, I mainly use an Interstate that has only
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>
> Anyone care to comment?

Please read and respond to the replies to your other thread.

It might actually get you an answer.
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Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 11:49 GMT
Those responses all somehow just dealt with the tire speed rating scheme,
now didn't they? Is this post of yours insulting or what?

>> I live in the south in a mountainous area. It's often wet but, apart from
>> a
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>
> It might actually get you an answer.
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 21 Jul 2005 12:14 GMT
> Those responses all somehow just dealt with the tire speed rating scheme,
> now didn't they? Is this post of yours insulting or what?

No it is not just insulting.
Part of your question was about ratings.
That was answered.
You did not return to the thread at all.
If you had, and thanked people regarding the speed rating feedback you
recieved, and did they have any brand preferences, it would have been
more courteous, than asking a similar question again.

Also if you had stated which part of this large green ball you
inhabited, you might not have only been recommended a brand, but even a
local tyre chain that has a reputation for fantastic work and service.

I going to assume that by use of "Tire", and "Interstate", you are in
the continental north american region, or at least originate from that
part. There is life beyond it's borders. Superior cars are made in that
space.*

*That was intended to be insulting.
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Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 12:55 GMT
I can see there's a campaign on here you're part of, and that ways are
regularly being found and invented to insist that it's justified. People
should feel it's been conducted in a manner both mean-spirited and low, and
meant to interfere in the purpose for which boards like this exist.

As to the matter of this thread, to recast a question so it's understood
(the content is not the same, though hardly been your interest here) is
hardly discourteous, and unless you have some interest I don't know of,
you're out of line in here. Please don't respond further, it's neither your
board nor your place to do that.

>> Those responses all somehow just dealt with the tire speed rating scheme,
>> now didn't they? Is this post of yours insulting or what?
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>
> *That was intended to be insulting.
Grunff - 21 Jul 2005 13:10 GMT
> I can see there's a campaign on here you're part of, and that ways are
> regularly being found and invented to insist that it's justified. People
> should feel it's been conducted in a manner both mean-spirited and low, and
> meant to interfere in the purpose for which boards like this exist.

I've read that 3 times, and I still don't understand it!

> As to the matter of this thread, to recast a question so it's understood
> (the content is not the same, though hardly been your interest here) is
> hardly discourteous, and unless you have some interest I don't know of,
> you're out of line in here. Please don't respond further, it's neither your
> board nor your place to do that.

Ah, but that's the beauty of unmoderated NGs - he can do whatever the
hell he wants to. It simply isn't your place to ask him not to respond
to your posts - that's what killfiles are for.

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Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 18:55 GMT
Do you have anything helpful to offer about the tire question I asked?

>> I can see there's a campaign on here you're part of, and that ways are
>> regularly being found and invented to insist that it's justified. People
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> he wants to. It simply isn't your place to ask him not to respond to your
> posts - that's what killfiles are for.
Grunff - 21 Jul 2005 18:58 GMT
> Do you have anything helpful to offer about the tire question I asked?

Yes, but I choose not to offer it. See, that's how Usenet works - magic,
huh?

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Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 20:15 GMT
I had a hunch that was coming when you wouldn't reply to my first one on
topic--care to explain how you did that, too?

>> Do you have anything helpful to offer about the tire question I asked?
>
> Yes, but I choose not to offer it. See, that's how Usenet works - magic,
> huh?
Pooh Bear - 21 Jul 2005 23:16 GMT
> I had a hunch that was coming when you wouldn't reply to my first one on
> topic--care to explain how you did that, too?

You'd find that your posts might gain a litle more respect if you didn't *top
post * too btw.

Graham
Valjean - 22 Jul 2005 00:33 GMT
Any excuse you want to give...

>> I had a hunch that was coming when you wouldn't reply to my first one on
>> topic--care to explain how you did that, too?
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>
> Graham
Pooh Bear - 22 Jul 2005 01:56 GMT
> Any excuse you want to give...

What makes you think an excuse is needed ?

You're clearly here to make a nuisance of yourself by the look of it. I had
planned to address the other part of your question but I guess I won't bother
now.

Simple rule of Usenet. Play silly buggers and you'll get plonked.

Graham
Valjean - 22 Jul 2005 03:09 GMT
What a pout you have going on; do you all charge here too, or is the
pretense just enough?

>> Any excuse you want to give...
>
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>
> Graham
Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 19:03 GMT
> Do you have anything helpful to offer about the tire question I asked?

I'm with Grunff, whatever that...paragraph?...was, it didn't mean
anything.

And when you top-post, it screws up the flow of a conversation.  Don't do
that.
Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 19:55 GMT
I'm sure there was a gang you joined somehow as a youth, Dave, and that
being in here isn't as much fun for you as it used to be, too. Do you do
blanket parties too, by the way?

>> Do you have anything helpful to offer about the tire question I asked?
>
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> And when you top-post, it screws up the flow of a conversation.  Don't do
> that.
Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 20:04 GMT
> I'm sure there was a gang you joined somehow as a youth, Dave, and that
> being in here isn't as much fun for you as it used to be, too. Do you do
> blanket parties too, by the way?

See what I mean about signal:noise ratios, Paul?  This guy is useless.
<plonk>, valjean.  Look it up - you'll probably be seeing it often.
Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 20:13 GMT
I see you consistently ignoring substantive posts, too...

>> I'm sure there was a gang you joined somehow as a youth, Dave, and that
>> being in here isn't as much fun for you as it used to be, too. Do you do
>> blanket parties too, by the way?
>
> See what I mean about signal:noise ratios, Paul?  This guy is useless.
> <plonk>, valjean.  Look it up - you'll probably be seeing it often.
Paul Halliday - 21 Jul 2005 19:54 GMT
>> As to the matter of this thread, to recast a question so it's understood
>> (the content is not the same, though hardly been your interest here) is
>> hardly discourteous, and unless you have some interest I don't know of,
>> you're out of line in here. Please don't respond further, it's neither your
>> board nor your place to do that.

> Ah, but that's the beauty of unmoderated NGs - he can do whatever the
> hell he wants to. It simply isn't your place to ask him not to respond
> to your posts - that's what killfiles are for.

Indeed, but therein lies a problem. Personalities can very quickly lead
someone to discount any information that comes from that person thereafter,
or disregards them more terminally with a killfile.

I remember an incident recently where a newcomer top-posted for a long time
and was called all manner of names and given quite a rough time. Okay, it
would appear from his complete innocence about the matter that he was
trolling and seeking to "take the piss" ... But he wasn't and I think he's
made a very valid contribution to a number of things.

Killfiles are a little final, don't you think? Okay, minor disagreement
about a misinterpretation ... Can we all put this aside and get on with
talking SAAB?

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 20:03 GMT
> I remember an incident recently where a newcomer top-posted for a long time
> and was called all manner of names and given quite a rough time. Okay, it
> would appear from his complete innocence about the matter that he was
> trolling and seeking to "take the piss" ... But he wasn't

Top-posting "OK, I'll keep that in mind" in response to several people
explaining how it screws up context isn't him "taking the piss"?

>  and I think he's
> made a very valid contribution to a number of things.

I don't know.  Last I saw he was claiming to be spending a hundred bucks
a month or something to host his gigabyte of videos being distributed in
a questionably legal manner.

> Killfiles are a little final, don't you think? Okay, minor disagreement
> about a misinterpretation ... Can we all put this aside and get on with
> talking SAAB?

Well, Paul, Usenet is all about Signal:Noise ratio.  I'm fine with
missing something from someone who has shown themselves to be hard to
deal with and/or intentionally disruptive.  While the chance of missing
something useful is non-zero, I'm OK with those odds.  I think I've only
got 2 people who have posted in this group in my killfile, which is a
very low number compared to some other groups.
Grunff - 21 Jul 2005 20:04 GMT
> Killfiles are a little final, don't you think?

Indeed - I have a total of 4 people killfiled, and that's across all the
ngs I read.

I was just pointing out that if he objected to what Sleeker said so
much, there was a simple way out for him.

> Can we all put this aside and get on with talking SAAB?

Ok.

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Sleeker GT Phwoar - 21 Jul 2005 13:17 GMT
> Please don't respond further, it's neither your
> board nor your place to do that.

Do you know what the alt in alt.autos.saab actually stands for?
A clue: It isn't alternative. it is actually an acronym.
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Teleman - 21 Jul 2005 19:14 GMT
>> Please don't respond further, it's neither your
>> board nor your place to do that.
>>
> Do you know what the alt in alt.autos.saab actually stands for?
> A clue: It isn't alternative. it is actually an acronym.

what *does* it stand for?
Grunff - 21 Jul 2005 19:21 GMT
> what *does* it stand for?

Anarchists, Lunatics and Terrorists.

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Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 19:21 GMT
>> what *does* it stand for?
>
> Anarchists, Lunatics and Terrorists.

I thought it was "Avoid luser trolls".
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 22 Jul 2005 10:17 GMT
> > what *does* it stand for?
>
> Anarchists, Lunatics and Terrorists.

Give that man a Cigar. Bingo.
In accordance with the patriot act, all americans should vacate said
groups.
Failure to do so may result in a  short (read indefinate) visit to
Gitmo, and a life time of being followed by a chip implanted in your
neck.
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Paul Halliday - 21 Jul 2005 19:50 GMT
> I can see there's a campaign on here ...

Whoa! Step back a minute and calm down. This is an international area where
sometimes the subtleties of language can be missed.

Please read through the responses you have had and perhaps continue that
thread with a note of thanks and focus the thread onto the remaining parts
of your original question that you would still like to be answered. There is
a wealth of information here that will be forthcoming.

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dave Hinz - 21 Jul 2005 19:52 GMT
>> I can see there's a campaign on here ...
>
> Please read through the responses you have had and perhaps continue that
> thread with a note of thanks and focus the thread onto the remaining parts
> of your original question that you would still like to be answered. There is
> a wealth of information here that will be forthcoming.

...or not...
Valjean - 21 Jul 2005 20:07 GMT
I'm afraid that I've perused this group for some while, and though my
initial sympathies for its community makeup lay with you, I concluded some
time back that, no, there's some abuse afoot--and, the routine's too
ritually stated (and applied to some) to be otherwise, too. Sorry, but no
cigar on that one...

I might even offer that the train of responses to my initial post--which
"cherry-picked" the speed scheme for me, while consciously ignoring its
meat, the help in recommending a tire--is a tactic I've seen on display
before today. Perhaps I shouldn't be shocked with the "Shoo, go elsewhere"
response I drew when I resisted "arrest" with the gang herein--it's, after
all, just of a piece with that same "Our Gang" comedy routine, now ain't
it...

>> I can see there's a campaign on here ...
>
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> 1989 900 Turbo S
> http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Pooh Bear - 21 Jul 2005 23:24 GMT
< snip >

> I might even offer that the train of responses to my initial post--which
> "cherry-picked" the speed scheme for me, while consciously ignoring its
> meat, the help in recommending a tire--is a tactic I've seen on display
> before today

Hey, it was related to your question ( the difficulty in getting Z rated tyres
). I answered it for you. Not good enough ?

Btw my answer was slightly wrong. The markings are now more detailed - e.g.

195/65 R 15 xx H

Where the H speed rating has moved to the end and xx is the 'load rating'. I
have no idea at this time how to decode the load rating but I have 2 tyres with
88 rating and 2 with 91 on my 9000.

Graham
hippo - 25 Jul 2005 12:37 GMT
>I live in the south in a mountainous area. It's often wet but, apart from a
>bit of stop-start city driving, I mainly use an Interstate that has only
>moderate curves and grades. I'd like a comfortable tire, too.

>I have heard good things about Falkiens.

>Anyone care to comment?

Just an observation on the rest of this thread: I've only been here about
6 months but I'm gobsmacked to see so many people whose opinions in
different areas I've learned to respect apparently involved in some sort
of international conspiracy against you. That's irony. I was born in
England.

However, assuming V rating will do for a 9K CS,  
why not Yokohama AVS550 or C-Drive? They're presented as a silent and
comfort tyre respectively. C-Drives working well so far on my Outback,
albeit only over 2000Km. My 900 is running Michelin Certes which are also
good on comfort but let go a bit earlier than most things I've tried in
the past (P6, A509 etc)  
Valjean - 30 Jul 2005 13:37 GMT
Thanks for responding in kind, anyhow...

>>I live in the south in a mountainous area. It's often wet but, apart from
> a
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> good on comfort but let go a bit earlier than most things I've tried in
> the past (P6, A509 etc)
 
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