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1994 9000 CST Battery Size

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Valjean - 12 Aug 2005 22:08 GMT
Two places list the relevant battery as a group 41 size, only group 41's are
roughly 2" too long for (at least, my) battery holder, and cannot be
installed.

OTOH, what's in my car now, a group 47, said to be too weak for it... What
do YOU have, and know about it...
yaofeng - 12 Aug 2005 22:18 GMT
> Two places list the relevant battery as a group 41 size, only group 41's are
> roughly 2" too long for (at least, my) battery holder, and cannot be
> installed.
>
> OTOH, what's in my car now, a group 47, said to be too weak for it... What
> do YOU have, and know about it...

Check Interstate battery.  it is the oem.
Valjean - 13 Aug 2005 00:08 GMT
That's one of those where the 41 size is too long for mine...

>> Two places list the relevant battery as a group 41 size, only group 41's
>> are
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Check Interstate battery.  it is the oem.
yaofeng - 13 Aug 2005 01:32 GMT
Don't know how it is too long.  It is a perfect fit on my 94 cde.  Are
you in the US?
Laura K - 13 Aug 2005 06:25 GMT
> Don't know how it is too long.  It is a perfect fit on my 94 cde.  Are
> you in the US?

Different motor, probably. CDs are usually 6 cylinder, CS 4 cylinder.
Pooh Bear - 13 Aug 2005 07:15 GMT
> > Don't know how it is too long.  It is a perfect fit on my 94 cde.  Are
> > you in the US?
>
> Different motor, probably. CDs are usually 6 cylinder, CS 4 cylinder.

Ummm no.

CDs have the classic Saab 4 cyl engine just like the CS. The V6 came along
about half way through the history of the 9000 model line and was available
in both CS and CD models.

Graham
Sleeker GT Phwoar - 13 Aug 2005 14:10 GMT
>CDs have the classic Saab 4 cyl engine just like the CS. The V6 came along
>about half way through the history of the 9000 model line and was available
>in both CS and CD models.

And more commonly in Griffin models. All auto and either 2.3 turbo, or
V6, in the CD shell. Normal CDs had the usual compliment of manual/auto,
and 4pot/4pot turbo/V6 versions.
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yaofeng - 13 Aug 2005 22:35 GMT
> > Don't know how it is too long.  It is a perfect fit on my 94 cde.  Are
> > you in the US?
>
> Different motor, probably. CDs are usually 6 cylinder, CS 4 cylinder.

Not always.  One of my three SAAB 9k's is a 94 CDE.  And it uses an
Interstate 41R.
yaofeng - 14 Aug 2005 00:19 GMT
> > Don't know how it is too long.  It is a perfect fit on my 94 cde.  Are
> > you in the US?
>
> Different motor, probably. CDs are usually 6 cylinder, CS 4 cylinder.

Also meant to say my 94 cde is a 2.3L.  I will not touch a 6 cylinder
9k.
Valjean - 13 Aug 2005 21:55 GMT
http://www.autobatteries.com/

The above site finally listed the proper size--it's a Group 48. Got one, and
it fit the tray perfectly.

Are you sure the Interstate size you have is a Group 41, called an MT-41 in
the Interstate catalogue? That's the one that wouldn't fit mine.

> Don't know how it is too long.  It is a perfect fit on my 94 cde.  Are
> you in the US?
Pooh Bear - 14 Aug 2005 01:03 GMT
> http://www.autobatteries.com/
>
> The above site finally listed the proper size--it's a Group 48. Got one, and
> it fit the tray perfectly.

Curious. I wonder why US batteries are called different sizes to European (
worldwide ? ) ones.

The brand Names are good for a laugh.

I especially liked DieHard !

Graham
yaofeng - 14 Aug 2005 01:47 GMT
Europe is not worldwide.
Pooh Bear - 14 Aug 2005 01:56 GMT
> Europe is not worldwide.

That's why I put it in brackets with a question mark. In various areas
though the same specs that are in use for Europe are also the 'rotw'
specs ( excepting the USA ).

It simply puzzles me why a different part numbering scheme should be in
use for what is probably the same item.

Graham
Pooh Bear - 12 Aug 2005 23:21 GMT
> Two places list the relevant battery as a group 41 size, only group 41's are
> roughly 2" too long for (at least, my) battery holder, and cannot be
> installed.
>
> OTOH, what's in my car now, a group 47, said to be too weak for it... What
> do YOU have, and know about it...

It's dark now so I won't pop out to look.

Here in the jolly UK, Neo Brothers stock a genuine Saab battery which is 70Ah.(
that's what the pic says anyway ) at a reasonable £45. Same in the NG900 and 9-3
btw.

Saab part number 400 129 987.

German and Swedish offer a choice of a 62Ah Bosch or 'generic' 72Ah.

Graham
Valjean - 13 Aug 2005 00:10 GMT
There is no G(g)od here, now, then; we must abide Interstate and its
miserable fitment approach.

>> Two places list the relevant battery as a group 41 size, only group 41's
>> are
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Graham
Pooh Bear - 13 Aug 2005 03:12 GMT
> There is no G(g)od here, now, then; we must abide Interstate and its
> miserable fitment approach.

No idea if the USA numbers for batteries are the same as European but I found
the following info that says you need a type 027 battery.

http://www.yuasa-battery.co.uk/autocars_s.html

The size is 242x175x190 mm

http://www.barden-uk.com/powermax-automotive-engine-start-batteries.html

Graham
Laura K - 13 Aug 2005 06:24 GMT
>> There is no G(g)od here, now, then; we must abide Interstate and its
>> miserable fitment approach.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Graham

When I had the battery replaced on my 1995 9000CS, Advance Auto where I had
it done (US) got the interstate size that the book told them it took. After
much cussing and attempts to get it in, he measure the space and went back
and got a different one that did fit. Also an Interstate.
hippo - 13 Aug 2005 09:39 GMT
>Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:42FD571E.34B845A1@hotmail.com:

>>> There is no G(g)od here, now, then; we must abide Interstate and its
>>> miserable fitment approach.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> The size is 242x175x190 mm

http://www.barden-uk.com/powermax-automotive-engine-start-batteries.html

>> Graham

>When I had the battery replaced on my 1995 9000CS, Advance Auto where I
>had
>it done (US) got the interstate size that the book told them it took.
>After
>much cussing and attempts to get it in, he measure the space and went back

>and got a different one that did fit. Also an Interstate.

If the spec charts don't work out for you, then why not just measure the
battery tray & get the highest AH and most plates that will fit in that
space, as long as the terminals are on the right ends! Laura - couldn't
you make the bigger one fit with a hammer ...? Sorry - couldn't resist!
Cheers
Laura K - 13 Aug 2005 21:04 GMT
> If the spec charts don't work out for you, then why not just measure the
> battery tray & get the highest AH and most plates that will fit in that
> space, as long as the terminals are on the right ends! Laura - couldn't
> you make the bigger one fit with a hammer ...? Sorry - couldn't resist!

I wasn't doing it! Advance Auto Parts (U.S. store) installs them for free. I
just opened the hood and let them have at it.
KeithG - 16 Aug 2005 12:59 GMT
There is conflicting info as to what fits from different Battery
manufacturers. I do not know why.

I suggest a group 34. I ran into that problem where the G41 does not fit
and that is called for from most. The problem is not just the physical
size, but how the base of the battery is constructed. The 9k uses a hold
down that wedges in the holder and against the base of the batery, but
this feature must be there for it to work or the battery flops around in
spirited or emergency maneuvers. A 41 does not work (period) It is too
long and the hold down is not correct. I do not know about a 48, but do
know that a 34 is a) what was in my '97 CS from Saab (I can show you a
picture showing the size clearly marked as a 34R and a nice Saab logo on
it) and b)that an Optima (and other G34s from Interstate and Johnson)
fit beautifully. A G34 is a bit taller and shorter than a G41, but
clears the insulation on the hood (taller) and if the hold down is
properly engaged will hold it properly. I have seen a number of 9ks with
aftermarket batteries in which the hold down was either missing or not
properly engaged.

If there is interest, I can post it to a web page.

KeithG

> Two places list the relevant battery as a group 41 size, only group 41's are
> roughly 2" too long for (at least, my) battery holder, and cannot be
> installed.
>
> OTOH, what's in my car now, a group 47, said to be too weak for it... What
> do YOU have, and know about it...
 
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