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Car Forum / Saab Cars / August 2005

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Tex - 22 Aug 2005 17:55 GMT
GM goes global:

 http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103024

This actually sounds like one of the smarter moves GM has made.  Took them
long enough.  It will clearly take years to implement.  Now if they can only
pull this off _and_ maintain brand identity.  It has the makings of watering
down the distinct nature of each GM brand (in particular, Saab).

- tex
Jim Fekete - 23 Aug 2005 02:34 GMT
> GM goes global:
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> - tex

Believe it when you see it.
James Sweet - 23 Aug 2005 03:26 GMT
> GM goes global:
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> - tex

So essentially what they're saying is that every brand car they produce will
be absolutely identical under the skin? That sounds far worse than even the
current arrangement, the different "brands" will have no real meaning at
all.
saabyurk - 23 Aug 2005 16:02 GMT
> So essentially what they're saying is that every brand car they produce will
> be absolutely identical under the skin? That sounds far worse than even the
> current arrangement, the different "brands" will have no real meaning at
> all.

I think it's one of those things that sounds smart to bean counters.
But bean counters aren't very smart, they only know how to count beans,
and usually put a company on a fast course to self-destruction. If GM
were smart, they would advertise the fact that the cars are indeed
unique to their various markets and, more importantly, to their loyal
fan base---and keep the bean counters in check.
Dan - 23 Aug 2005 17:32 GMT
>>So essentially what they're saying is that every brand car they produce will
>>be absolutely identical under the skin? That sounds far worse than even the
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> unique to their various markets and, more importantly, to their loyal
> fan base---and keep the bean counters in check.

If all they are taking about is uni-body and engine-block then fine.
But if this means the same brakes, the same interiors, the same
suspension, then count me out.  If I am not mistaken, the Jetta and A4
share a "platform" but perform and look vastly different.  If this is
what GM plans, then thumbs up.
ma_twain - 25 Aug 2005 00:34 GMT
>>GM goes global:
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> current arrangement, the different "brands" will have no real meaning at
> all.

GM is already doing this. Look at all of the components failing on the
current Saabs. These are 'volume purchased' parts used by all GM
divisions - 'volume purchased' means reduced cost.  This article seems
to place an emphasis on more than just common parts - common design.
The Saab 9-3 was supposed to be a common platform with other GM cars.
The Saab engineers modified the car so it earned a 5 star crash rating
while the other GM cars did not.  What does GM do? Count beans and
punish Saab for creating a different car - never mind it has a 5 star
crash rating which GM brags about in their ads. . .
Jim Fekete - 26 Aug 2005 01:17 GMT
> Look at all of the components failing on the
> current Saabs. These are 'volume purchased' parts used by all GM
> divisions - 'volume purchased' means reduced cost.  

If that's the case, why is Saab at the bottom of the quality rankings
among GM divisions?  Perhaps the problem is the parts that are unique to
Saab being of less quality.
Jim Fekete - 26 Aug 2005 01:12 GMT
> So essentially what they're saying is that every brand car they produce will
> be absolutely identical under the skin? That sounds far worse than even the
> current arrangement, the different "brands" will have no real meaning at
> all.

Actually, it sounds a lot like Toyota and Honda.  Why don't people get
harrumphed about that?
Pooh Bear - 26 Aug 2005 08:00 GMT
> > So essentially what they're saying is that every brand car they produce will
> > be absolutely identical under the skin? That sounds far worse than even the
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> Actually, it sounds a lot like Toyota and Honda.  Why don't people get
> harrumphed about that?

Uh ?

Are you suggesting that Honda and Toyota share the same 'platforms' ?

Graham
Jim Fekete - 27 Aug 2005 16:18 GMT
> Are you suggesting that Honda and Toyota share the same 'platforms' ?
>
> Graham

No, but, for example, Camry, Sienna and Highlander are essentially the
same underbody, with some tucking and stretching to get the footprint
they want.  Not quite as much sharing among Accord, Odyssey and Pilot,
but its close.

Jim
 
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