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Saab Guy - 28 Aug 2005 01:50 GMT
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/27/sweden.skyscraper.ap/index.html

Sweden's twisting tower

Saturday, August 27, 2005; Posted: 3:59 p.m. EDT (19:59 GMT)

MALMO, Sweden (AP) -- The Nordics' tallest skyscraper was officially
opened Saturday with prize-winning Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava
surveying the view from the 54th floor.

With its spectacular 90-degree twist, Turning Torso consists of nine
stacked cubes, each turned slightly.

The bottom three cubes will be office space and the top six contain 147
luxury apartments. Many residents, who are expected to move to the
rented apartments in November, will have a view overlooking either the
flat farmland of Skane, Sweden's southernmost province, or the Oresund
strait and Denmark.

"There was a wish to get something exceptional," Calatrava said after
accepting a prize from local authorities. "I also wanted to deliver
something technically unique."

The HSB housing cooperative that built the skyscraper originally planned
condominiums only, but decided to rent the apartments because of the
high costs. The most expensive apartment will be rented for about
euro3,000 ($3,700) a month.
Johannes - 28 Aug 2005 10:50 GMT
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/27/sweden.skyscraper.ap/index.html
>
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> With its spectacular 90-degree twist, Turning Torso consists of nine
> stacked cubes, each turned slightly.

Yet, the picture looks different to what I imagined. The 'cubes' aren't
really cubes as they're perfectly aligned with top and bottom neighbours.
It's rather like sections of a candy stick. Fashionable as it looks, these
sort of distortions are usually a nightmare for traditional builders and
carpenters.
Malcolm William Mason - 19 Sep 2005 14:48 GMT
>http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/27/sweden.skyscraper.ap/index.html
>
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>high costs. The most expensive apartment will be rented for about
>euro3,000 ($3,700) a month.

What is a Spanish architect doing building in Sweden. has he hired or
associated with a swedish firm for construction?

Malcolm William Mason, Dip. N.Arch, B.A. Sc., M.Arch.
MH - 19 Sep 2005 15:03 GMT
> > ... prize-winning Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava

> What is a Spanish architect doing building in Sweden.

Calatrava has also designed bridges built in The Netherlands.

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Dave Hinz - 19 Sep 2005 15:22 GMT
> > > ... prize-winning Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava
>
>> What is a Spanish architect doing building in Sweden.
>
> Calatrava has also designed bridges built in The Netherlands.

Also the Milwaukee (Wisconsin, USA) Art Museum.
Dave Hinz - 19 Sep 2005 15:21 GMT
> What is a Spanish architect doing building in Sweden. has he hired or
> associated with a swedish firm for construction?

> Malcolm William Mason, Dip. N.Arch, B.A. Sc., M.Arch.

You're familiar with his other works, I assume?  Google his name at
images.google.com for other examples; his work is all around the world,
and he's one of the best architects of this century.

Dave Hinz
Malcolm William Mason - 20 Sep 2005 09:00 GMT
>You're familiar with his other works, I assume?
>
>Dave Hinz
he is well know for extravagant design but usually has the sense to hire
local consultants;  archictects and engineers.

As the Tornto Canada City Hall was designed by a Finn, the construction
was actually supervised by Toronto Architects, John B. Parkin et al with
whom I actually apprenticed as Canadians then called it.
Dan - 19 Sep 2005 16:02 GMT
>>http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/27/sweden.skyscraper.ap/index.html
>>
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>
> Malcolm William Mason, Dip. N.Arch, B.A. Sc., M.Arch.

He is one of the hottest architects working today.  He did a building in
my hometown of Milw, WI:

  http://www.mam.org/thebuilding/index.htm
Pooh Bear - 20 Sep 2005 01:22 GMT
> He is one of the hottest architects working today.  He did a building in
> my hometown of Milw, WI:
>
>    http://www.mam.org/thebuilding/index.htm

Striking !

What's it like for real ?

Graham
Dave Hinz - 20 Sep 2005 02:55 GMT
>> He is one of the hottest architects working today.  He did a building in
>> my hometown of Milw, WI:
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> Striking !
> What's it like for real ?

Absolutely breathtaking.   Even the parking garage (under the "wings"
part) is stunning.    The contents, well, modern art doesn't "do it" for
me, but the building is fantastic.

Dave Hinz
Pooh Bear - 20 Sep 2005 03:16 GMT
> >> He is one of the hottest architects working today.  He did a building in
> >> my hometown of Milw, WI:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Dave Hinz

I have to say - I'm impressed by what I saw.

Do you live in the area ?

Graham
Malcolm William Mason - 20 Sep 2005 09:30 GMT
.   Even the parking garage (under the "wings"
>> part) is stunning.    The contents, well, modern art doesn't "do it" for
>> me, but the building is fantastic.
>>
>> Dave Hinz

Which is the art?the cars, the car park? Who pays for this BS.

If it is a municipal gallery, then its your money and I am glad that you
are thrilled paying for car parks dedicated to museum patron use.

If is private or foundation money how mary master pieces will you and
your kids miss?

Or will you miss them as you stand in the cold and admire the car park.?

Malcolm
Dave Hinz - 20 Sep 2005 15:14 GMT
> .   Even the parking garage (under the "wings"
>>> part) is stunning.    The contents, well, modern art doesn't "do it" for
>>> me, but the building is fantastic.
>>
> Which is the art?the cars, the car park? Who pays for this BS.

(shrug?) Dunno, not the taxpayers, so who cares?

> If it is a municipal gallery, then its your money and I am glad that you
> are thrilled paying for car parks dedicated to museum patron use.

Well, not sure why you're taking an attitude with me, but if you think
about it, even if the taxpayers _did_ pay for the thing to be built,
then the people building it were employed by that money, and they're
taxpayers, so it all goes around, doesn't it?

> If is private or foundation money how mary master pieces will you and
> your kids miss?

Take it up with someone else, Malcolm.  I have no interest in being
browbeat by you because I happen to work in a city where there's an
attractive building.
Malt_Hound - 20 Sep 2005 22:30 GMT
>>.   Even the parking garage (under the "wings"
>>
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> browbeat by you because I happen to work in a city where there's an
> attractive building.

Plus I doubt there are a bunch of "masterpieces" in a modern art museum.

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Dave Hinz - 20 Sep 2005 22:48 GMT
>>>If is private or foundation money how mary master pieces will you and
>>>your kids miss?

>> Take it up with someone else, Malcolm.  I have no interest in being
>> browbeat by you because I happen to work in a city where there's an
>> attractive building.

> Plus I doubt there are a bunch of "masterpieces" in a modern art museum.

In all honesty, the best thing at that museum, is the building.  Well,
there were about 3 paintings that I liked, and the exhibition of Arts &
Crafts furniture was great but of course is temporary.

I don't understand what passes for art, but I know a nice looking
building when I see one, and this: http://www.mam.org/thebuilding/
is a nice looking building.

Dave Hinz
Malt_Hound - 21 Sep 2005 16:05 GMT
>  
>
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>
> Dave Hinz

Funny... for all the times I've been to WI, I've never seen that
building.  I know I've been up that road on the lakefront before.  Must
have been prior to its erection.  (hee, hee...  He said erection)  I'll
be headed out there again in a couple of weeks.  I'll have to drive by.

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Dave Hinz - 21 Sep 2005 16:32 GMT

>> I don't understand what passes for art, but I know a nice looking
>> building when I see one, and this: http://www.mam.org/thebuilding/
>> is a nice looking building.

> Funny... for all the times I've been to WI, I've never seen that
> building.  I know I've been up that road on the lakefront before.  Must
> have been prior to its erection.  (hee, hee...  He said erection)  I'll
> be headed out there again in a couple of weeks.  I'll have to drive by.

It's right on the lakefront, at the end of Wisconsin Avenue.  For
reasons that I can't imagine, that abomination called "the sunburst" is
_still_ in the way, spoiling the view.  I'm sure that some art purist
would take me to task, but the thing is _ugly_.  Here's a link:
http://www.milwaukeeworld.com/html/mlaw/ml011109front.php
...and another showing the relative positioning:
http://photos.fasick.net/milwaukee/JLF0402A01

My grandpa had a plan to don orange vests, get a yellow work van, put up
cones around the area, and torch-cut the sucker into pieces.  I see his
point.  And, that was _before_ it was blocking the view of a stunningly
attractive building.

Fred, if you want to give me a call when you get here, or when you're
coming, email me and we can do lunch or something.  You'll be doing a
training session at the ed center, I assume?

Dave "Actually, I don't like that sculpture at all, just to be clear" Hinz
Malt_Hound - 22 Sep 2005 14:05 GMT
>  
>
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>
> Dave "Actually, I don't like that sculpture at all, just to be clear" Hinz

No, no training for me unless I'n giving it.  ;-)  Week long meeting of
the support engineers (yeah, I'm one of them).  I'll probably be pretty
busy all week, what with all the schmoozing required and all.  But if
there looks like there's a hole in the schgedule I'll drop you a line.
I appreciate the offer.

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Dave Hinz - 20 Sep 2005 15:12 GMT
>> Absolutely breathtaking.   Even the parking garage (under the "wings"
>> part) is stunning.    The contents, well, modern art doesn't "do it" for
>> me, but the building is fantastic.
>
> I have to say - I'm impressed by what I saw.
> Do you live in the area ?

I can see it from the building where I work, and have been in there twice
this summer.

Dave
Malcolm William Mason - 20 Sep 2005 09:17 GMT
>He is one of the hottest architects working today.  He did a building in
>my hometown of Milw, WI:
>
>   http://www.mam.org/thebuilding/index.htm

Do you mean hot as in Frank Gehry with the chain link home and who
covered the Guggenheim with titanium because they allowed him to do it
at a fantastic cost (and , increased fee) Unlike wright who was really
an architect whose spiral New York Gugenheim becomes a part of your
access to the art.

I'll bet you just love Moishe sadfie's montreal concrete apartments
where few will reside. what is it with moths and flames?

Malcolm
Dave Hinz - 20 Sep 2005 15:15 GMT
> Do you mean hot as in Frank Gehry with the chain link home and who
> covered the Guggenheim with titanium because they allowed him to do it
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> I'll bet you just love Moishe sadfie's montreal concrete apartments
> where few will reside. what is it with moths and flames?

Sheesh, someone piss in your wheaties this morning?
 
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