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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 2005

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(O.T.) Studebakers in Sweden

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saabyurk - 30 Aug 2005 17:13 GMT
I know this is off-topic, but I'm also a Studebaker collector in
addition to 2-cycle SAABs, and I thought these so non-Swedish cars in
Sweden were interesting. Swedes seem to appreciate cars that aren't
just copies of what's popular.

Michael Bostedt posted this on alt.autos.studebaker...

"The Swedish Studebaker Club Meet was held about
two weeks ago. 33 cars (including a Packard) attended
the meet and I think that's a new club record.

Here are photos of the cars:

http://community.webshots.com/user/finless_silverhawk

Michael Bostedt

-'53 Starlight
-'53 Starliner"

Michael's Studebaker Pics Page
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http://hem.bredband.net/b284654/
James Sweet - 01 Sep 2005 05:00 GMT
> I know this is off-topic, but I'm also a Studebaker collector in
> addition to 2-cycle SAABs, and I thought these so non-Swedish cars in
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> -'53 Starlight
> -'53 Starliner"

Didn't realize Studebakers ever made it to Sweden. My uncle has a restored
'37 Packard, neat car.
Johannes - 01 Sep 2005 10:54 GMT
> > I know this is off-topic, but I'm also a Studebaker collector in
> > addition to 2-cycle SAABs, and I thought these so non-Swedish cars in
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> Didn't realize Studebakers ever made it to Sweden. My uncle has a restored
> '37 Packard, neat car.

Sweden has always had a high standard of living, which means that they could
afford big American cars.
Saab Guy - 01 Sep 2005 16:19 GMT
> Sweden has always had a high standard of living, which means that they could
> afford big American cars.

Umm, no. They don't have as much disposable income as Americans do.

Their quality of life is comprised of many things, but the social services account for a lot of it and we don't have those in the U.S.

SG
Johannes - 01 Sep 2005 16:42 GMT
> > Sweden has always had a high standard of living, which means that they could
> > afford big American cars.
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>
> SG

From my World Atlas:

Sweden GDP per head US$ 25400
USA    GDP per head US$ 26037

These data are probably 10 years old, but I can't imagine that USA has
improved over Sweden since then.
MH - 01 Sep 2005 17:37 GMT
> These data are probably 10 years old, but I can't imagine that USA has
> improved over Sweden since then.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
2005;
United States     $41,557
Sweden              $29,537

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Johannes - 01 Sep 2005 18:23 GMT
> > These data are probably 10 years old, but I can't imagine that USA has
> > improved over Sweden since then.
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> United States   $41,557
> Sweden            $29,537

Yes, these are GDP(PPP) massaged figures.
Saab Guy - 01 Sep 2005 19:09 GMT
Johannes,

GDP sure, but how much is taken from takes about 33% unlike our 8%

Also, Sweden was "neutral" in wartime and now the official term is "military non-alignment"

FYI

SG
MH - 01 Sep 2005 17:35 GMT
> Sweden has always had a high standard of living,
No they have not... In the 1850-1900 period people in the countryside were out
of jobs and poor, leading to alcohol problems. Reason for many people to
emigrate to the USA.

> which means that they could afford big American cars.

It got better with the industrial revolution, but most inportant was that Sweden
was not involved in WW1 or WW2

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Dave Hinz - 01 Sep 2005 18:22 GMT
>> which means that they could afford big American cars.
>
> It got better with the industrial revolution, but most inportant was that Sweden
> was not involved in WW1 or WW2

Well, they weren't combatants, but I wouldn't say they weren't
"involved"...
MH - 01 Sep 2005 18:53 GMT
> Well, they weren't combatants, but I wouldn't say they weren't
> "involved"...

OK, let's put it in a different way then; they were not bombed, robbed and
partially destroyed like other European countries

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Dave Hinz - 01 Sep 2005 19:05 GMT
>> Well, they weren't combatants, but I wouldn't say they weren't
>> "involved"...
>
> OK, let's put it in a different way then; they were not bombed, robbed and
> partially destroyed like other European countries

Yes, and their "involvement", if you look at who they were selling what
to, explains why.  "Neutral" is probably a generous way to describe
them in WWII.
James Sweet - 02 Sep 2005 03:21 GMT
> > Didn't realize Studebakers ever made it to Sweden. My uncle has a restored
> > '37 Packard, neat car.
>
> Sweden has always had a high standard of living, which means that they could
> afford big American cars.

Though with the surpurb cars manufactured right there in Sweden I'm not sure
why there was much demand for big American cars.
Johannes - 02 Sep 2005 11:07 GMT
> > > Didn't realize Studebakers ever made it to Sweden. My uncle has a
> restored
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> Though with the surpurb cars manufactured right there in Sweden I'm not sure
> why there was much demand for big American cars.

It wasn't always like that. Saab 93 and Volvo P444 were fairly small cars, the
50's American cars was the ultimate prestige cars at the time: "Dollargrin"
MH - 02 Sep 2005 11:15 GMT
> It wasn't always like that. Saab 93 and Volvo P444 were fairly small cars, the
> 50's American cars was the ultimate prestige cars at the time: "Dollargrin"

The Volvo 120 "Amazon" was/is a downsized copy of the Chrysler 300. Chrysler had
an assembly plant in Sweden.

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Johannes - 02 Sep 2005 11:32 GMT
> > It wasn't always like that. Saab 93 and Volvo P444 were fairly small cars, the
> > 50's American cars was the ultimate prestige cars at the time: "Dollargrin"
>
> The Volvo 120 "Amazon" was/is a downsized copy of the Chrysler 300. Chrysler had
> an assembly plant in Sweden.

Very nice car and you still see one now and then driven by a classic
enthusiast. However, the design was Italian inspired and it looks almost
identical to a FIAT 1900.
 
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