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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 2005What the? This interior looks like the 9-3? Who stole what??
Who stole what here? http://www.cadillaceurope.com/bls/ Looks like the interior of the 9-3SS That really is sad. SG > Who stole what here? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SG I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > Who stole what here? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. I ran it with Firefox. Wait a few moments, it will "open up" Yes, it is all black, but it "opens" SG > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SG It wokrs for me in both Internet Explorer and Firefox. It's a Flash Macromedia movie that takes a few seconds to start (on a broadband connection). There is a "Skip intro" button though. > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Macromedia movie that takes a few seconds to start (on a broadband > connection). There is a "Skip intro" button though. Johnannes, You have dialup or browser problems? What OS? Win/Mac or Linux or Sun or??? SG > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > SG Win98. A message comes up that I need to download a plugin for downloading a plugin. But I can't find it anywhere on the Netscape site. > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Win98. A message comes up that I need to download a plugin for downloading > a plugin. But I can't find it anywhere on the Netscape site. Johannes, Wow! :) What browswer? Netscape? Can you just download firefox from mozilla.org? It'll easily be able to import your bookmarks. SG > > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > SG But I prefer Netscape. I'm trying to download Netscape 8. > > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > SG What a nuisance. When trying to install Netscape 8.0 it lists some minimum computer requirements, and then a message comes up that my computer doesn't satisfy those requirements. Then I can only click OK to exit the installation. But it does satisitisfy those requirements! > > > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > satisfy those requirements. Then I can only click OK to exit the installation. > But it does satisitisfy those requirements! Actually, it's not necessary to install plug-ins via Netscape's site. The product ( whatever plug-in is required ) is usually available at the originator's site and can be installed from there. I say 'usually' since I just went to macromedia.com and all I could find were paid versions of Flash as an authoring tool. Google found it though. I think it's Flash you need. http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=Shockw aveFlash Graham > > > > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Graham I think there is a bug in the Netscape 8.0 installation software; it probably checks for 64MB free memory instead of 64MB installed memory. I gave up installing Netscape 8.0 and installed Mozilla Firefox instead. It easily found the required plug-in by itself and everything runs smoothly. I now also get the picture of the caddilac. > > > > > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > It easily found the required plug-in by itself and everything runs smoothly. > I now also get the picture of the caddilac. Good. Pleased to hear you got that fixed. Btw, I can seriously recommend the use of rather more than 64M of memory. I have a few utilities that monitor memory usage and I've found that you're frankly crippling any recent Windows box in a typical scenario if you don't have around 160 - 256M. I tend to prefer 384 or 512M. Memory chips are cheap. Esp if bought second hand on Ebay as I have done. Graham > > > > > > > > > > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Graham I know, but this computer's old TX motherboard will only cache 64MB, so fitting more is actually counterproductive. I do have another 1GB P4 computer in my network, but I like the old one for the internet since it can run silently without any fan action. It's set up very efficiently, so it normally works surprisingly well. But I have plans of getting a VIA CPU/board for quiet internet surfing. > I know, but this computer's old TX motherboard will only cache 64MB, so fitting > more is actually counterproductive. I do have another 1GB P4 computer in my > network, but I like the old one for the internet since it can run silently > without any fan action. It's set up very efficiently, so it normally works > surprisingly well. But I have plans of getting a VIA CPU/board for quiet > internet surfing. This is getting *way* off topic, but do a google search for silent PC, there's quite a few special CPU coolers, quiet power supplies and other things to quiet down your machine, you can build a PC that's about as powerful as you want and have it virtually silent. > > I know, but this computer's old TX motherboard will only cache 64MB, so > fitting [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > things to quiet down your machine, you can build a PC that's about as > powerful as you want and have it virtually silent. The VIA mobos are *very* small form factor though. Not intended for use in a cavernous tower for example. Graham > > > Graham > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Graham Johannes, I concur here. If you are using Windows98 and not even Windows98SE, both of which are about 8-9 years old now, and 64MB of memory is the size for video cards today which is low. 512MB at a minimum, that'll cost about $50-$80 USD max roughly for that thing. What kind of processor does it have? SG > > > > Graham > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > SG I use Windows98SE. Memory upgrade beyond 64MB wont work well for this motherboard, since it can only cache 64MB; that's the basic problem. Windows would automatically load at top of memory and drop out of caching. But it runs well in most cases, no problem apart from when there are bugs in the Netscape 8.0 installation software :-( A more general upgrade is in the pipeline. I have plans to fit a VIA CPU/board for a silent internet computer since it's small enough to fit into this case. I do have another computer with 1GB, but not connected to the internet. I have another job on my hand for 9000 CSE. The coolant need to be replaced and the system need to be flushed. The anti-corrosion additives only last 3 years, and it has been a bit more than that. I'll have to find out more how best to do it. > What a nuisance. When trying to install Netscape 8.0 it lists some minimum > computer requirements, and then a message comes up that my computer doesn't > satisfy those requirements. Then I can only click OK to exit the installation. > But it does satisitisfy those requirements! What are the requirements? I've tried every browser I'm aware of and IMO Firefox absolutely blows away all of them but really that site should work on anything with Flash installed, though unfortunatly so will a lot of animated banner ads and popups. Thankfully Firefox with the Adblock plugin can easily eliminate all of them though. > > > Who stole what here? > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > SG No black screen. Then I though I was beginning to see some patterns, but it was just some dirt on my monitor. >>http://www.cadillaceurope.com/bls/ > I tried three different browsers, all I get is a black frame. Works OK with Firefox, but the page loads a shockwave file so it may take a while to load, or crash...  SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i > Who stole what here? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SG I guess different people see different things. They're bemoaning the new 9-5 interior on trollhattansaab.net as being dumbed down because it borrowed too much from the BLS. Click on thw Niwrad theory. >>Who stole what here? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > new 9-5 interior on trollhattansaab.net as being dumbed down because it > borrowed too much from the BLS. Click on thw Niwrad theory. What does BLS stand for? Bad Luxury Sedan? > >>Who stole what here? > >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > What does BLS stand for? Bad Luxury Sedan? I hope so, just like the 9000 CD stood for "Crummy Design" heh > Looks like the interior of the 9-3SS The overall shape of the car also looks like the 9-3SS. John >> Looks like the interior of the 9-3SS > >The overall shape of the car also looks like the 9-3SS. > >John That's because it "is" a 9-3SS. Just with a few different panels and interior tweaks. Was an easy way for GM to get a Cadillac into that size-class of car in Europe, and use up excess construction capacity at Saab. Kevin Rhodes > Who stole what here? > > http://www.cadillaceurope.com/bls/ Another ugly car IMHO. GM seems hell bent on forcing yank tank styling on us. Graham > Who stole what here? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SG So what you are saying is that the Caddy has finally caught up? Signature-Fred W Toys for sale, Hey get your toys here: <http://users.adelphia.net/~fredwills/> > > Who stole what here? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > So what you are saying is that the Caddy has finally caught up? Every time I hear about the word "CADDY", I think of that movie called "Pink Cadillac" SG >>>Who stole what here? >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > SG Didn't see it. With that title, I don't imagine I'll be renting it either... Signature-Fred W Toys for sale, Hey get your toys here: <http://users.adelphia.net/~fredwills/> > > > Who stole what here? > > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Every time I hear about the word "CADDY", I think of that movie called "Pink Cadillac" imdb only gives it 4.8/10 Not good at all ! Graham > Every time I hear about the word "CADDY", I think of that movie called > "Pink Cadillac" With my fav. actor "The Clint". :o) Signature---------------------------------------------------------- Saab - Fordi livet er for kort til biler med dårlig sikkerhed! Henrik, Again, what Saab videos do you have? Can you please list them? I never got your response. Thanks. > Who stole what here? > > http://www.cadillaceurope.com/bls/ > > Looks like the interior of the 9-3SS Is this really surprising...it basically is a 9-3. - tex > > Who stole what here? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Is this really surprising...it basically is a 9-3. But it looks ugly ! WTF does GM think it's doing. If the 'Euro Cadillac' is a sales success I'll eat my proverbial hat. For one thing - I reckon that - even if it got rave reviews - there's going to be stiff consumer resistance to a US badged car on account of the current anti-US sentiment in Europe ( and elsewhere too fwiw ). Graham > > > Who stole what here? > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But it looks ugly ! Yes what are they thinking? Maybe the idea is that the car is a kind of jewelry with cut stones as front and rear light to produce a 'bling' effect. This cut faced design is quite ugly by European eyes, we think a car should be smooth and aerodynamic. > > > > Who stole what here? > > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes what are they thinking? Maybe the idea is that the car is a kind of > jewelry with cut stones as front and rear light to produce a 'bling' effect. Actually I see some of the Escalade styling in play. Esp the grille. And, yes, Escalade = bling in most ppl's books. > This cut faced design is quite ugly by European eyes, we think a car > should be smooth and aerodynamic. Me too. I love the svelte smooth low bonnet line look that's been Saab's trademark for decades now. Subtly understated but powerful and purposeful. Looks like a car that means business. Here we see a Caddy with a classic 80s 'chip cutter' grille ! I can only assume the Yanks think their kind of styling is 'better' than ours ! The marketplace will provide the answer. I also find it utterly weird that GM apparently thinks it can sell more Saabs by branding the car ( clearly a 9-3 derivative ) as a Cadillac ! Maybe they could have spent the money developing the Caddy more usefully on reducing the purchase price of 9-3s ? In Europe, Cadillac is seen as a joke brand. I don't see this model changing anything. Graham > Me too. I love the svelte smooth low bonnet line look that's been Saab's > trademark for decades now. ... Actually, I think the classic Saab design used to be contrarian and somewhat boxy. And all the better for it. Whenever I drive next to a well-maintained early 90's 900 (especially the coupe, because at this point in time it does not look like the convertible contingent has aged well as a whole) I find myself nostalgically wishing I'd gotten one and taken very good care of it back in the day. Oh well, decisions we have to live with. It was an awesome design. I wish they had the balls to revive more elements of it. If horrid stuff like the new Mustang is doing so well, I think a sizeable number of discerning people would come out of the woddworks to get a classic looking Saab (with the longevity engineering to back up the looks!). ....pablo > > Me too. I love the svelte smooth low bonnet line look that's been Saab's > > trademark for decades now. ... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ....pablo Pablo, the NEXT SAAB HATCHBACK will be available in 2008 so I hear. SG >>>>Who stole what here? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This cut faced design is quite ugly by European eyes, we think a car > should be smooth and aerodynamic. It's quite ugly by these American eyes too. It is a prevalent feature through the entire butt ugly Cadillac line-up. None of which makes much marketing sense since the traditional Caddy buyer is an 70' something retiree. I don't think the blue hairs want bling... and younger folks don't want Caddys. No wonder GM has financial problems. Their marketing guys must have silly-putty for brains. Signature-Fred W Toys for sale, Hey get your toys here: <http://users.adelphia.net/~fredwills/> > It's quite ugly by these American eyes too. It is a prevalent feature > through the entire butt ugly Cadillac line-up. Yes, these eyes also. I'd for people to assume that I like Cadillacs just because I'm from the US. > None of which makes much marketing sense since the traditional Caddy > buyer is an 70' something retiree. I don't think the blue hairs want > bling... and younger folks don't want Caddys. Indeed. I'm not sure how well GM's attempt to make Cadillac a brand for rich young people is working out. FWIW, my 80 year old grandfather drives a huge Cadillac. And having old people (poor sight, hearing, reflexes, etc) driving gigantic, heavy cars is a terrifying thing. John > >>>>Who stole what here? > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > No wonder GM has financial problems. Their marketing guys must have > silly-putty for brains. I've seen companies trashed before because the ppl at the top making the decisions didn't have a clue. Shame that GM feels the need to trash Saab in this way. Graham The Cadillac BLS is a "rebadging" of the Saab 9-3SS (44X series) and build by Saab. This model was done perhaps to ease in Cadillac to the European market and to increase the production volumes of the 44X plattform and the production line at Saab. So basically Cadillac "loaned" from Saab. > Who stole what here? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SG 1) Cadillac has reduced its average purchaser age drastically 2) the new Caddys, like the styling or not, are quite good - read the reviews in the driver's mags. 3) my biggest complaint is that it still has a mail slot for a trunk 4) the seats look uncomfortable to me - if they are like the NG900 seats, no thanks. I'll have to sit in them to see. In my mind, Saab is dead. As I see it, I will need to determine what I will need to buy when my SPG rots away and no more 9ks are to be found. As I DIYer I am very dismayed at the necessity of 'going to the dealer' for just about every little thing. KeithG > The Cadillac BLS is a "rebadging" of the Saab 9-3SS (44X series) and build > by Saab. This model was done perhaps to ease in Cadillac to the European [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>SG |
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