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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 2005

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Autogas LPG for 9000

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Axel Schaefer - 13 Sep 2005 23:05 GMT
Hallo,
hat hier jemand schon mal einen 9000er auf Autogas (LPG Bifuel)umrüsten
lassen und kann die Erfahrungen damit schildern ?

Mfg
Axel

Hello,
is someone here who has an Autogas (LPG Bifuel) equipped 9000 ?

Greetings
Axel
MH - 14 Sep 2005 21:25 GMT
> is someone here who has an Autogas (LPG Bifuel) equipped 9000 ?

No problem, my 900i was on LPG and there are lots of 9000s on LPG here in NL

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Craig's Saab C900 Site - 15 Sep 2005 10:51 GMT
>> is someone here who has an Autogas (LPG Bifuel) equipped 9000 ?

>No problem, my 900i was on LPG and there are lots of 9000s on LPG here in NL

That's something I have not come across here in Australia. LPG is the fuel
of choice for most Taxi's (at least here in Sydney), almost like diesel is
the fuel of choice for taxi's in London.

But I've not yet come across any Saab 900's in Oz that are set up to run on
LPG.

Craig.
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MH - 15 Sep 2005 12:35 GMT
> That's something I have not come across here in Australia.

It is very common in NL and other parts of Europe, and Asia

e.g. see http://www.vialle.nl/

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Nel Frikandel - 15 Sep 2005 20:18 GMT
>Hallo,
>hat hier jemand schon mal einen 9000er auf Autogas (LPG Bifuel)umrüsten
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Greetings
>Axel

Hi Axel, LPG in most 9000's is absolutely no problem, as long as it is
a non turbo or LPT. High Pressure Turbo's (like AERO's) don't combine
well with LPG. If you live anywhere near the border to Holland,
Belgium or  France you'r have no problem to have it umgerüsted accross
the border. On the german saabforum www.saab-cars.de there is a lot of
info (search for lpg and read many experiences of german users with
LPG)

Good luck/viel Erfolg
Nel
MH - 15 Sep 2005 20:51 GMT
>... no problem, as long as it is
> a non turbo or LPT. High Pressure Turbo's (like AERO's) don't combine
> well with LPG.

No, LPG can be used in turbo engines as well.
LPG has a very high octane rating (> 100) so the APC will take advantage of that
and allow high boost.

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Pooh Bear - 15 Sep 2005 21:25 GMT
> >... no problem, as long as it is
> > a non turbo or LPT. High Pressure Turbo's (like AERO's) don't combine
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> LPG has a very high octane rating (> 100) so the APC will take advantage of that
> and allow high boost.

Talking of which....

Have you seen the info on the 'flexible fuel' 9-5 ? It's designed to run on any mix
of 'gas' and ethanol from regular unleaded to E85 ( 85% ethanol ).

There's significantly extra power ( and torque ) to be had on E85 - again due to the
high octane rating.

Graham
MH - 15 Sep 2005 23:12 GMT
> Have you seen the info on the 'flexible fuel' 9-5 ?

Yes. Most new cars, including Saabs, can be ordered with a factory installed
multi fuel option.
 (I will stick with my '79 96 on LPG though)

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Nel - 16 Sep 2005 11:24 GMT
> >... no problem, as long as it is
> > a non turbo or LPT. High Pressure Turbo's (like AERO's) don't combine
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
> '91 900i

Sure? I hear most people saying (also on the local www.saabforum.nl)
that 9000 HiPressTurbo Aero's on LPG are a big NONO...
MH - 16 Sep 2005 12:36 GMT
> Sure?

At the SOC in Belgium I talked to mr Martens, of http://www.saabmartens.com/ who
was there with a 900 turbo on LPG. No problems he said.

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David Taylor - 16 Sep 2005 16:38 GMT
> At the SOC in Belgium I talked to mr Martens, of http://www.saabmartens.com/ who
> was there with a 900 turbo on LPG. No problems he said.

LPT or FPT, that's the key it seems.
NeedforSwede2 - 18 Sep 2005 14:00 GMT
>> >... no problem, as long as it is
>> > a non turbo or LPT. High Pressure Turbo's (like AERO's) don't combine
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Sure? I hear most people saying (also on the local www.saabforum.nl)
>that 9000 HiPressTurbo Aero's on LPG are a big NONO...

It is the type of LPG install that is the problem.
It is doable though. Latest spec LPG installs use a seperate set of
injectors, and their own ECU and a "bypass" to fool the factory ECU into
thinking it is still working.

Older systems just used something like a carburetor to do the same
thing, and just tricked the ECU with the readings it was getting, rather
than bypassing it.

The C900 turbo, and all FPT 9000 models are too advanced for the
"Cheap" LPG conversions that tend to be setup for carb and early
injection systems. Later models need modern setups. It just need a more
careful setup of fuel to air and monitoring with LPG.
You can even get vehicles that can run 100% of the time, even at startup
on LPG, because the system pumps it as a liquid into the engine instead
of petrol.  Once started it returns to pumping it as gas, and the engine
runs as a normal LPG run.
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MH - 18 Sep 2005 17:06 GMT
> It is the type of LPG install that is the problem.

Yes, the LPG systems get more and more sophisticated.
See e.g.
http://www.difflock.com/lpg/index.shtml
and
http://www.difflock.com/lpg/systems.shtml

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'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i

NeedforSwede2 - 19 Sep 2005 11:49 GMT
>> It is the type of LPG install that is the problem.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>and
>http://www.difflock.com/lpg/systems.shtml

Also, some of the megasquirt ecu project guys are looking at LPG V8
engines starting with "gaseous" LPG instead of vapourised petrol, before
switching, so that they can run full timetime gas, instead of having to
be bifuel/dual fuel.
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